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New More Affordable 3 Series.....???
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Sabretooth tiger
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there was a lengthy discussion about it here before, and a lot of snobbish remarks about "entry level Beemers"
OppositeLockMT
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Yup, this was discussed at length. :thumbs:
Sabretooth tiger
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Jeremy said:
Was the same with E46 318i Msport and E90 320i Msport. It sold well, and was a great BMW product.
i question this whole power VS price story... drive lines and chassis are already developed to take way more power how much cheaper is it to slap a weak engine in?
really these cars are designed to be taxi cabs in Europe where good fuel economy in traffic is most important...
really these cars are designed to be taxi cabs in Europe where good fuel economy in traffic is most important...
Philip Foglar
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Like the cost between making an N52 (B23, B25 and B30) engine - ideally the same basic design, so why the massive price difference?! Marketing, and adding more engines means more price gaps, and sadly this means the larger engines can easily have an even more inflated price compared to what they are now. :nonono:
ASH
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I think the current 320i and 320d as the entry points into the 3ser range makes sense as there is a bigger 1ser now. The point of the F30 is to showcase the new performance entry of 3Ser over the previous E90, as the car has new levels of performance vs fuel economy with the turbo models.
I see this as a step backward for the brand, as once again we have a donkey of an entry model again, when we know we want the 3ser range to offer decent performance over other normal vehicles.........
This introduction is probably due to affordability to the SA BMW buyer, as the 3s are now pricey R350K+ and the SA BMW buyer prefers the boot of the sedan over the hatch of the 1Ser, plus they probably/maybe haven't
met the sales targets they had initially expected.
Always felt the E90 320i with 255 rubber at the rear was a ridiculous spec.........:yuck:
I see this as a step backward for the brand, as once again we have a donkey of an entry model again, when we know we want the 3ser range to offer decent performance over other normal vehicles.........
This introduction is probably due to affordability to the SA BMW buyer, as the 3s are now pricey R350K+ and the SA BMW buyer prefers the boot of the sedan over the hatch of the 1Ser, plus they probably/maybe haven't
met the sales targets they had initially expected.
Always felt the E90 320i with 255 rubber at the rear was a ridiculous spec.........:yuck:
prado
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Hmmmm, interesting stuff! Should be more attractive to car buyers who would like a new 3 series regardless of performance. In Europe, they sold the 518i in the E34 body while we got the 6 cylinder versions alone.
It looks as if the main attraction is the opportunity to drive a new F30. And, from an economical point of view, might attract more buyers to BMW. Good price and an economical motor.
It would be interesting to read more about driving impressions and observe resale values.
It looks as if the main attraction is the opportunity to drive a new F30. And, from an economical point of view, might attract more buyers to BMW. Good price and an economical motor.
It would be interesting to read more about driving impressions and observe resale values.
distilledsilver
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Our contact at BMW SA says that the final interior specification for the 316i, which goes on sale in May, is still being finalised and that an official announcement for the model will be made later in the week.
Lies. It's been on the bmw website configurator for weeks. What it doesn't have in comparison to the 320i is a rain/light sensor, auto dimming interior mirror, climate control and leather seats. It has imitation black leather instead, most people probably can't tell the difference.
If you add all of this to a 316i it equates to R20 700. So following through with that logic the saving from the smaller engine is R13 000+-.
Audi sells a detuned entry level A4 1.8T with 88kw and 230NM and the mercedes its C180 with 115/250, making the C200 the more direct competitor to the 320i actually... so bmw are really just joining the entry level variants.
Lies. It's been on the bmw website configurator for weeks. What it doesn't have in comparison to the 320i is a rain/light sensor, auto dimming interior mirror, climate control and leather seats. It has imitation black leather instead, most people probably can't tell the difference.
If you add all of this to a 316i it equates to R20 700. So following through with that logic the saving from the smaller engine is R13 000+-.
Audi sells a detuned entry level A4 1.8T with 88kw and 230NM and the mercedes its C180 with 115/250, making the C200 the more direct competitor to the 320i actually... so bmw are really just joining the entry level variants.
Kerrits said:
Actually, if you look at the history, the 325's and 328's lost more value compared to the 320's and 318's....Meaning that at the time a new 325 would sell for like 350k and the 320 for 300k and then after 2 years the trade value would drop more on the 325 than the 320.....
Ash225 said:
What I meant was that the 316 is a bit overpriced compared to other cars at the same spec level/market segment.
BMWs are drivers cars. Their main edge is their feel and performance. Having a 1.6L turbo engine in one negates that edge.
It will still be very popular, but in my suspicion is that it will be more a badge thing, than anything else.
distilledsilver said:
looking at it like this, it doesnt make sense, 13k would affect your payment by about R300 a month which doesnt make sense as a consumer personally i would rather pay that little extra and know that i am not driving the "entry level" model.
here is one that from the virtual dealer, all i did was add the sports pack
so basically you will still end up paying 400k for the entry level with just a sports pack, i dont know how feasable that would be.
