Mental pricing for 118i

peanut125i

Active member
Ok, I can't post a pic today for some reason. Anyway received one of those opportunistic emails where a dealership wants to flog a car. It's a 118i shadow edition/sunroof and the price is R530 350. Am I missing something? How can that car be so expensive? Who in their right mind would pay so much?

Deal structure.
R530k
10.5% dep
36×4999
11% linked
310k residual
Max 60000km over 3 years




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FerdiBotha

Well-known member
R310k residual


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SMRTARSX1

New member
peanut125i said:
Ok, I can't post a pic today for some reason. Anyway received one of those opportunistic emails where a dealership wants to flog a car. It's a 118i shadow edition/sunroof and the price is R530 350. Am I missing something? How can that car be so expensive? Who in their right mind would pay so much?

Deal structure.
R530k
10.5% dep
36×4999
11% linked
310k residual
Max 60000km over 3 years




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That’s a lease deal. Total ownership cost is R180k over the lease period. The residual is not a concern as you give the car back at a guaranteed future value that settles it - The Deposit is usually covered by BMW Financial services as well so it’s not a bad deal if you like to change Cars every three years with minimal risk and a fixed up-front invoice for your usage with it.

The car itself is expensive, I got an OTP for a 120i M-Sport for the same price a few weeks ago.
 

tman

Well-known member
Finance deals such as this is the reason South Africans are financially in ruins.
 

peanut125i

Active member
What I don't get, someone at bmw thinks this is a great deal. I almost phoned the nr on the email to ask if they are smoking a joint packed with hopes and dreams.

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SMRTARSX1

New member
It’s a lease deal guys..... you guys know it’s a 100% safe finance deal, safer than financing the car traditionally. The only risk is making sure your insurance has gap cover if you write it off.
 

peanut125i

Active member
The price of the car is still R530k regardless of how the instalments are calculated.

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Junz

Member
SMRTARSX1 said:
It’s a lease deal guys..... you guys know it’s a 100% safe finance deal, safer than financing the car traditionally. The only risk is making sure your insurance has gap cover if you write it off.

can you elaborate ?
 

SMRTARSX1

New member
A lease deal revolves around three different structures.

1. Annual Mileage
2. Guaranteed Future Value
3. Understanding the difference between financing to own and financing to rent

With a Lease Deal, like the deal presented above your expenses on the deal are 100% calculated up front. Forget about this overpriced 1er and take the numbers into consideration:

R530k
10.5% dep
36×4999
11% linked
310k residual
Max 60000km over 3 years

The deposit is covered by BMW "Trade Assistance". You would never put a deposit down on the lease deal because you will never get a return on the money, why, because the entire point of a lease deal is to create a revolving market. You buy the car to rent it, to use it for the duration of the 36 month period and to return it, walking away at 36 months debt free.

They do this by providing a criteria:

1. You may not do more than 60 000km in the car in the time you have it, if you do its R1.50 odd per km they bill you when you hand the car back.
2. You must return the car to BMW to qualify for 100% settlement of the finance agreement and to honour the guaranteed future value of the car.

Now you can sell the car out of hand or trade it in elsewhere but you will be liable for the ENTIRE financed amount including the residual. So, a lease deal has a very specific customer in mind, a customer that:

1. Keeps the mileage on his car rather low.
2. Likes to buy new cars every 3 years.
3. Wants to have a guaranteed settlement on the car.

So. That means, that unlike traditional finance deals where you HOPE you can break even on the car at say, 3 years, these deals guarantee you that. The future value is calculated at the time of sale, based on the options and cost of the car.

At 36 months, you return the car to BMW, they inspect it, they make you sign some paperwork and you walk away.

So, that BMW 118i is R5k a month over 36 months. Your cost of ownership (assuming no changes to the linked interest rate because South Africa) is then R180 000

Included is a Motorplan, included is 60 000km worth of travel and the benefits of owning a brand new BMW.

What car can you buy for R180k thats brand new and offers all of that AND you have 100% guarantee by BMW Financial Services that at 36 months you can hand it back and walk away debt free.

If you financed that car traditionally you would benefit only in that you would own the car after the 36 months period, but then your payment would be closer to R10k a month and you would be paying 11.5% interest in FULL to BMW Financial Services, which makes no sense especially given most of us would prefer a new BMW ever three years anyway.

Should you sit with an F&I at BMW they will also accommodate your usage - The lease deals allow you to increase the total mileage of the deal, you can even do it over 48 months, the fact remains that there is minimal risk in leasing vs traditional financing because the guaranteed future value SETTLES the entire deal when you return the car.

Therefore, the residual is a moot point unless you are stupid enough to try and get out of a lease deal privately, or think its a great idea to keep the car longer than the lease period. The deposit is also a moot point, no financial house will expect you to pay R53k deposit on a car you dont keep, hence they cover it for you.

The only thing with lease deals is that the prices are pretty much non-negotiable on the cars because of the amount of pay in from BMW Financial Services and the Dealer to make the deals so irresistible.

Hope it makes more sense now?


The other great thing about lease deals is that in 36 months time, a 118i, valued at say R300k is going to hit the used car market with 2 years plan which can be extended by time for very little money with less than 60 000km.

And lets face it, if your 118i treats you well chances are you will lease another BMW on the spot when you hand the current back in - Its an insanely clever way of keeping the used car market regulated and the new car market revolving.

On the insurance side, because at any point of the lease deal the finance amount owed will be incredibly high, it is mandatory that you take out GAP cover on your insurance.

This ensures that in the case of a total loss, your insurance will cover the balance owed to BMW Financial Services as the rate at which the car depreciates vs your settlement amount is MUCH less than traditional financing deals. So something to consider is a slightly higher insurance premium and excess when leasing like this.
 

MR_Y

Well-known member
SMRTARSX1 said:
A lease deal revolves around three different structures.

1. Annual Mileage
2. Guaranteed Future Value
3. Understanding the difference between financing to own and financing to rent

With a Lease Deal, like the deal presented above your expenses on the deal are 100% calculated up front. Forget about this overpriced 1er and take the numbers into consideration:

R530k
10.5% dep
36×4999
11% linked
310k residual
Max 60000km over 3 years

The deposit is covered by BMW "Trade Assistance". You would never put a deposit down on the lease deal because you will never get a return on the money, why, because the entire point of a lease deal is to create a revolving market. You buy the car to rent it, to use it for the duration of the 36 month period and to return it, walking away at 36 months debt free.

They do this by providing a criteria:

1. You may not do more than 60 000km in the car in the time you have it, if you do its R1.50 odd per km they bill you when you hand the car back.
2. You must return the car to BMW to qualify for 100% settlement of the finance agreement and to honour the guaranteed future value of the car.

Now you can sell the car out of hand or trade it in elsewhere but you will be liable for the ENTIRE financed amount including the residual. So, a lease deal has a very specific customer in mind, a customer that:

1. Keeps the mileage on his car rather low.
2. Likes to buy new cars every 3 years.
3. Wants to have a guaranteed settlement on the car.

So. That means, that unlike traditional finance deals where you HOPE you can break even on the car at say, 3 years, these deals guarantee you that. The future value is calculated at the time of sale, based on the options and cost of the car.

At 36 months, you return the car to BMW, they inspect it, they make you sign some paperwork and you walk away.

So, that BMW 118i is R5k a month over 36 months. Your cost of ownership (assuming no changes to the linked interest rate because South Africa) is then R180 000

Included is a Motorplan, included is 60 000km worth of travel and the benefits of owning a brand new BMW.

What car can you buy for R180k thats brand new and offers all of that AND you have 100% guarantee by BMW Financial Services that at 36 months you can hand it back and walk away debt free.

If you financed that car traditionally you would benefit only in that you would own the car after the 36 months period, but then your payment would be closer to R10k a month and you would be paying 11.5% interest in FULL to BMW Financial Services, which makes no sense especially given most of us would prefer a new BMW ever three years anyway.

Should you sit with an F&I at BMW they will also accommodate your usage - The lease deals allow you to increase the total mileage of the deal, you can even do it over 48 months, the fact remains that there is minimal risk in leasing vs traditional financing because the guaranteed future value SETTLES the entire deal when you return the car.

Therefore, the residual is a moot point unless you are stupid enough to try and get out of a lease deal privately, or think its a great idea to keep the car longer than the lease period. The deposit is also a moot point, no financial house will expect you to pay R53k deposit on a car you dont keep, hence they cover it for you.

The only thing with lease deals is that the prices are pretty much non-negotiable on the cars because of the amount of pay in from BMW Financial Services and the Dealer to make the deals so irresistible.

Hope it makes more sense now?


The other great thing about lease deals is that in 36 months time, a 118i, valued at say R300k is going to hit the used car market with 2 years plan which can be extended by time for very little money with less than 60 000km.

And lets face it, if your 118i treats you well chances are you will lease another BMW on the spot when you hand the current back in - Its an insanely clever way of keeping the used car market regulated and the new car market revolving.

On the insurance side, because at any point of the lease deal the finance amount owed will be incredibly high, it is mandatory that you take out GAP cover on your insurance.

This ensures that in the case of a total loss, your insurance will cover the balance owed to BMW Financial Services as the rate at which the car depreciates vs your settlement amount is MUCH less than traditional financing deals. So something to consider is a slightly higher insurance premium and excess when leasing like this.



Valid points and I agree that a pure lease deal is more honest than a balloon/residual deal with no GFV.

However, I still feel that BMW's lease GFV deals are not as good as the options from Volvo SA - where they cover tyres, Tracker and insurance as part of the lease deal. If BMW can offer that deal, that would be brilliant, since you just pay one monthly amount for leasing the car and insurance and Tracker.


peanut125i said:
Ok, I can't post a pic today for some reason. Anyway received one of those opportunistic emails where a dealership wants to flog a car. It's a 118i shadow edition/sunroof and the price is R530 350. Am I missing something? How can that car be so expensive? Who in their right mind would pay so much?

Deal structure.
R530k
10.5% dep
36×4999
11% linked
310k residual
Max 60000km over 3 years




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Lease queries aside, a 3-cylinder 100kw baby BMW is a sin.
If you had to buy the car cash or via your own finance deal (installment sales with own bank), BMW may give you a nice fat discount on the price - especially if it is a manual model...
 

SMRTARSX1

New member
I agree with you there - The Lease market is still young and people do not trust it, this is not helped by brands like Smart offering a ForFour with roadside assistance, three year plan on a three year lease but then finding out:

1. Smart has roadside assistance but dont carry parts or a Smart tech in SA.
2. There is a 15% pay in on ALL service and plan claims by the customer.

Volvo has the market pretty much in their pocket, especially given you can now own a beautiful car without the risk of it stinging you with resale in the long run - BMW is only now seeing the first batch of leased cars being returned and I know, after spending some time in a meeting with a sales manager at SMG Group, they are beyond excited to start doing deals on the newer cars with even more benefits than before.


Lease queries aside, a 3-cylinder 100kw baby BMW is a sin.
If you had to buy the car cash or via your own finance deal (installment sales with own bank), BMW may give you a nice fat discount on the price - especially if it is a manual model...

We discussed this the other day with SMG Tygervalley - on a regular 3 series they have up to R140k to play with between trade assistance, trade in assistance and the cars margin.

When I worked for BMW in 2011, and MINI, if you had R40k to play with, it was massive. Despite this, they say they only see 20-30 new car sales a month. That R140k can get you out of your current car, be taken as discount, its insane.

The industry has changed, massively.
 

Kimeran

///Member
@SMRTARSX1

Agree with everything you say, lease deals are very good and very successful in the USA. About time we got that over here.

Does the guaranteed buy back work even if you don't take another car once the lease is up?
 

SMRTARSX1

New member
Kimeran said:
@SMRTARSX1

Agree with everything you say, lease deals are very good and very successful in the USA. About time we got that over here.

Does the guaranteed buy back work even if you don't take another car once the lease is up?

Yes. You are under no obligation to purchase another BMW.
 

Kimeran

///Member
Ok cool

So then I guess the only major risk would be if you lose your income or your income drops during the lease period to a point where driving this BMW is no longer feasible, then you're pretty much screwed.
 

SMRTARSX1

New member
Kimeran said:
Ok cool

So then I guess the only major risk would be if you lose your income or your income drops during the lease period to a point where driving this BMW is no longer feasible, then you're pretty much screwed.

Correct, as would be the same with Traditional Financing.

That said, if you were in a traditional finance agreement and lost your income your settlement would at any given time be less than the lease deal settlement because of the residual and finance term.
 

Woodies

Well-known member
VictorMike said:
How does BMW make money here? They're willing to sell a car for 180k, thats listed as 517k (minimum)?

BMW get the car back after 3 years and it must have less the 60k kms on clock.

So you can basically rent a 118 for 3 years, R5k/month and R55k deposit. Not sure what penalties apply if the deal is ended early tho.

I'd rather just rent from a car rental company month to month. They do good deals on longer term rentals.
 

VictorMike

///Member
Woodies said:
BMW get the car back after 3 years and it must have less the 60k kms on clock.

So you can basically rent a 118 for 3 years, R5k/month and R55k deposit. Not sure what penalties apply if the deal is ended early tho.

I'd rather just rent from a car rental company month to month. They do good deals on longer term rentals.

Thanks bud, but you haven't answered my question: how is BMW making money? You think they gonna be able to sell a 3 year old , second hand, base model for 337k?
 
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