M50 manifold conversion

kabal

Active member
SlowMo said:
Sankekur thats exactly it.

There is a science behind manifold design, and most people don't understand it. That pic is exactly what I'm talking about. Compare the runner length to any aftermarket system and you will be quickly convinced there is nothing better, not even close, to these branches.

About the port mismatch, I agree, a whole lot of bull. People do stupid things then blame the hardware. If you want to do it properly, go and buy M3 exhaust gaskets, they are different to the 328. port problem solved.

LPM I'll be in dbn next week.

you use the statement "there is science behind manifold design" like this is a proof for the rest of your statement, when in essense it is the anti-proof.
I am not disputing the fact that the m3 headers are great headers, on an m3. f1 headers are also works of art, but even if they were to fit, they would fuck up performance.

port mismatch = bull = lol. good thing fluid dynamics disagrees with you. do you know what happens to a gas when it flows from a confined space into a space with more volume? pressure drops and velocity decreases. now if you can tell me how that is good for performance, we can reinvent physics
 

SlowMo

Active member
if you read further, you would see I mentioned runner length. The design of this manifold is not just to look pretty, but the maximum use of the space available, to get the longest possible runners. longer runners mean faster escape of the exhaust gasses, maintaining exhaust gas escape speed. makes sense?

edit* yes pressure would drop and velocity decrease. but in this case we are not going from an extremely small pipe/port to a substantially larger one. Velocity would decrease yes, but bug enough to make a difference?

The port mismatch is NOT the volume. Its the shape of the ports. If you compare the 328i exhaust manifold gaskets which are 2 sets of 3 with rounded ports, compared to the M3 ports which are wider but slightly flatter, M3 headers with 328i gaskets cause a restriction.

Oh and I should also mentioned I'm not talking thru my arse, I've done this before, have you actually fitted an M3 exhaust to a 328i?
 

Sankekur

///Member
moranor said:
sank when you going to fit these... im still thinking of changing over to those :rollsmile:

Yeah someone I spoke to that also tried these, said that it doesn't fit properly, catches in two places.
So I am now thinking of going for an aftermarket set that in terms of design looks a lot like these ones and are made for the e46.
(For some reason I don't want to modify the M3 ones too much)


DROP IT - ZN said:
LPM320 said:
Those headers do look like works of art. What can you expect to pay for a pair?

@slowmo: Where about in durban are you gonna be? Maybe we can meet up?


Around 4/5k

Hmm, I paid less than that for mine, but price in not the only problem, actually finding a set is maybe even more of a problem, as they seem to get sold the moment they go for sale.
 

Sankekur

///Member
Yup he tried, but it touched, so much that it doesn't fit, not sure where, haven't spoken to him yet, seems to be a bit scarce nowadays :(

Seems that he rather wants to go for aftermarket ones as well.

 

BillyBob

Active member
Necro-bumping this, I know... But does anyone have any dyno figures to substantiate any of these different mod sets?

Between perceived butt-dyno increases, the fact that a louder car "feels" faster, and the "I modded it, so it has to be faster" placebo effect, there isn't exactly definitive performance data to show which mods are the most effective?
 

freerider

Honorary ///Member
well, the M50 manifold flows 40% more volume per runner, and that is proven on a flow bench.

Dynographs from numerous guys in the states and the UK, have shown an increase of up to 20hp by simply changing to the M50 intake, that was before a tune.
 

BillyBob

Active member
Fair enough - I've seen the flow bench tests and the sites where guys claim 15-20 bhp, but I'm curious as to the local opinions, as there seem to be some mixed emotions on the results..
 

freerider

Honorary ///Member
guetzer on the forum has done it lately, so has zabbo. Both had only good things to say about it. I have my m50 mani lying in the garage, just need to install...
 
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