M5 Diff Mount Broke

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Fordkoppie

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Philip Foglar said:
I remember something that happened in even my humble E90 that could have under the right circumstances caused damage - was pulling out of a side street onto a busy 80km/h stretch and had to give it beans, which I did, and there was a nasty bump in the road just as you get going a few metres on (I would think because of other cars and trucks having to do the same thing), and there was quite a noticeable thud through the drivetrain as I went over this. If I was accelerating quite a bit harder, or had M5 brute power, I am sure something could have ended up broken then. And as normal, this was with traction on and just driving normally.

I ripped the engine mounting on my 540i exactly because of something similar where I accelerated hard in 1st gear on an unknown road, and went over a stupid roadworks trench they only filled up with sand.


In my case the engine mounting was the weak point.
On an e39 M5, it would have been the diff mount
 

Eon

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ANiMOSiTY said:
Oh dear.
Unfortunately, that was a weak point on the E39 M5.

Exactly the same thing happened to mine.
I was driving down to Sodwana, during the time of the major roadworks going on down there and klapped a pothole.
A few KM later, the diff mount broke.

Yes, I'm sure driving style contributed to the failures happening a little quicker than not, but it's inevitable for anybody who drives an E39 M5 the way they should be driven. In fact, "drifting" isn't any more taxing on that part of the subframe than pulling off in or driving in rush-hour traffic. It's a twisting effect from torque transfer down the drive shaft.

Gizmo said:
Bad things happen when DSC is turned off, keep it on.
That's a silly thing to say, dude.
The issue, both the weakness of the part and the cause (which is axle hop), has nothing to do with switching off DSC.
A lot of M cars will axle hop in unfavourable traction conditions in the wet. It's the suspension geometry.

Eon, I wouldn't question the maintenance and care given to any E39 M5 that was owned by guys who frequent these sorts of forums. It's a helluva solid car.
The weaknesses were mostly all suspension related.
It's 15 years old, and will need maintenance and TLC.

The sub-frame is not the same as the rest of the 5 series.
Like you said, the part numbers are different.
Check on M5Board.. I think the difference was simply regarding torque handling or overall strength. (Although I recall the diff mounting being slightly different or something)

Thanks ANiMOSiTY,

I guess it's just my luck then.

Aaaaanyways, time to get cracking! (no pun intended :tiptoe:)

The PO will be disassembling the rear subframe/diff carrier assembly VERY soon, with me helping where I can (probably passing spanners).
The thing has to come out either way, whether we're going to weld or replace.

I will take the broken subframe to the breaker and physically compare the two parts. If it's similar, I will replace. If it's very different, I would rather get it welded and reinforced by a professional.
Will keep you guys posted.

P.S: Does anybody know of a reputable TIG welder in Cape Town?
 

Fordkoppie

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Eon said:
I will take the broken subframe to the breaker and physically compare the two parts. If it's similar, I will replace. If it's very different, I would rather get it welded and reinforced by a professional.

Even if they appear similar, there is a huge chance of different geometry at the suspension mount points which will not be immediately apparent to the naked eye.
 

Eon

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*UPDATE TIME*

The PO and I have managed to separate the entire rear sub assembly from the car.
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The sub assembly was taken to an engineering shop where it has been welded and reinforced. This, I think should be stronger than it came out the factory.
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The sub assembly is back in the car with brand new bushes and the beast is alive again!
 

Andrew

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I never drive my M5 with the DSC activated - I want to feel what the car is doing at all times and I want to be able to balance it with the throttle without having the computer interfering. Besides, I put it sideways at least once a trip :crazylaugh:

Seriously though IMHO you will never get to know your car intimately enough to be able to confidently drive it to its potential while DSC is active. You will also never learn how to recover the car when things go pear shaped.

PS - I had a look at the failed part on my e39 M5 with 250,000kms on the clock and sure enough it has been repaired - very professionally and neatly TIG welded.
 

DrKelso

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Seriously though IMHO you will never get to know your car intimately enough to be able to confidently drive it to its potential while DSC is active. You will also never learn how to recover the car when things go pear shaped.

How utterly and completely relevant to the question.
 

E63AMG

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Nikhil@TheFanatics said:
thread cleaned please keep it on topic.

If you are going to be moderating the negative comments out of threads, I would like you to moderate out the bad mouthing that was aimed at me. Since general banter doesn't seem to be allowed here it only seems fair
 

BillyBob

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Fordkoppie said:
Even if they appear similar, there is a huge chance of different geometry at the suspension mount points which will not be immediately apparent to the naked eye.

By the same token, potentially minor variations in geometry from the welding job could also have an impact on the suspension and its behavior?

Perhaps a valid reason for the back overtaking the front?
 

M3_FTW

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Eon said:
*UPDATE TIME*

The PO and I have managed to separate the entire rear sub assembly from the car.
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The sub assembly was taken to an engineering shop where it has been welded and reinforced. This, I think should be stronger than it came out the factory.
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The sub assembly is back in the car with brand new bushes and the beast is alive again!

That looks decidedly backyard mechanic.
 

Dbn540i

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M3_FTW said:
Eon said:
*UPDATE TIME*

The PO and I have managed to separate the entire rear sub assembly from the car.
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01d6b447c16fb4d11dfb2a960a7aa87b.jpg


The sub assembly was taken to an engineering shop where it has been welded and reinforced. This, I think should be stronger than it came out the factory.
a10569280cc4398bfccda30d8ff03da1.jpg


The sub assembly is back in the car with brand new bushes and the beast is alive again!

That looks decidedly backyard mechanic.

Im no expert when it comes to mechanics and stuff, but welding yes.

That my friend is not a good welding job, be prepared to repair it again very soon. That seems like a Co2 weld instead of a tig weld. If the welder did a tig weld then boy oh boy he's got a lot to learn.

Before I get killed for that comment, I own a business that repairs heavy duty trailers and petroleum road tankers thats made in aluminium and stainless steel so yes we weld everyday and know our stuff.
 

wikked

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Dbn318i said:
M3_FTW said:
Eon said:
*UPDATE TIME*

The PO and I have managed to separate the entire rear sub assembly from the car.
913ebdeab2203f460080e57c2d832afb.jpg

01d6b447c16fb4d11dfb2a960a7aa87b.jpg


The sub assembly was taken to an engineering shop where it has been welded and reinforced. This, I think should be stronger than it came out the factory.
a10569280cc4398bfccda30d8ff03da1.jpg


The sub assembly is back in the car with brand new bushes and the beast is alive again!

That looks decidedly backyard mechanic.

Im no expert when it comes to mechanics and stuff, but welding yes.

That my friend is not a good welding job, be prepared to repair it again very soon. That seems like a Co2 weld instead of a tig weld. If the welder did a tig weld then boy oh boy he's got a lot to learn.

Before I get killed for that comment, I own a business that repairs heavy duty trailers and petroleum road tankers thats made in aluminium and stainless steel so yes we weld everyday and know our stuff.

Well, the car has ended up in a ditch... whether due to this repair or driver error we probably won't know

#notthrowingshade #probablygoingtogetyelledatbymodsforthispost
 

ChefDJ

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wikked said:
#notthrowingshade #probablygoingtogetyelledatbymodsforthispost


One of our admins blatantly hates the use of hashtags such as this...

Maybe he will yell at you instead of the mods you so hate.
 
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