JBD for 330d

[Rolf]

Thank you Twinz

I trust all of you agree that if a dyno reads in excess of standard figures that can not be taken seriously.

Yet people go to these dynos and INSIST this is what their car develops!

Sure... keep on dreaming.... but dream it somewhere else!
Serious tuners will struggle to achieve these drewam figures because they are out of reach! Not because they are so good but because they are just not possible!

Whoever doesn't realize that just needs to go there and have his money taken.....

Easy

 

[skiet]

Rolf, you told him to use KAR as you have comparable figures there?

The 560nm is not on the wheels its flywheel i agree, the kw rating is on the wheels as i have used KAR and WRC and they are about 2 to 3 kw out between each other.

When we had dyno day a month back they said kw or in my case hp was on wheels, nm on flywheel..

 

[Rolf]

All BS
Either wheels or flywheel
They twist it as they like

I dont like either one as thry are both bulling.... just the one a bit less than the other

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[skiet]

What dyno would you suggest? As i would prefer to get propper results as well with my car for future reference.

 

[Rolf]

A dyno that reads true numbers, corrected according to DIN in kw and Nm inclusive losses shown for drag

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[skiet]

Where is this dyno?

 

[Mortifer]

Rolf I am not claiming this and insisting on that this is my car's results. I bought this car 3 weeks ago and for my curiosity I went to this dyno day with the Mazda owners club just to check what is there before doing anything ells to the car and if I start doing anything to it take it to the same dyno every time just to see if there is any changes. I gain nothing stating that my car does this and this and that. I work in SAP(not the police SAPD) and really car's is just my hobby I am not trying to sell anything to anyone. I joined this forum to get help from guys like you and Twinz that do tuning and sell aftermarket parts.

So to do a dyno for me is a quick and fast way to see what the engine is doing. I also want to tell you that some of the guys that was at that dyno said that their cars results are lower than what they got before. That is just what I heard.

So that is why I asked on Friday on this thread what dyno's up here is any good and you told me WRC and KAR. So I ask again is there any dyno's in JHB or PTA that you can trust?

And if you want to, I don't know if you are part of the Mazda owners forum you can go ask any of those guys if they think they got a "happy" setup dyno.

So I say this again I am not here to sell or promote anything. I like a fast car, with this thread I was looking for an alternative solution other than to remap my car, for while it is still under maintenance. I am not here to take offence to or from anyone. I am here to learn and help other people where I can. I am not here to start an argument a bout dyno's and how accurate it is, I just posted that to show to whomever may be interested to see what my car did on this day on that dyno. So and if there is a solution to get the JBD working on my 330d other guys on this forum will then have an alternative solution other than remapping like the guys with the 135i/335i with the JB4.

 

[Twinz]

Good reply Mortifer. :thumbs:

I am hoping we can find a solution on the Jbd. Will wait for the feedback from BMS. Not giving up yet. :thumbs:

 

[Josh-ZN]

All BS
Either wheels or flywheel
They twist it as they like

I dont like either one as thry are both bulling.... just the one a bit less than the other

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Rolf , u need to chill a bit.

Mortifier, nice reply and all the best. You will always get good level headed advice from Twinz.

:thumbs:

 

[Rolf]

I am chilled :=):
No worries

Looking forward to see some results from the JBD setup

 

[Ga-3M]

Gents just to also add a bit of light here, Mortifer has an 09 model 330d which would be the LCI which means factory claims are 180kw at the flywheel. Now this is the same as my dad has, his is also stock and I can tell you these LCI's are as strong as hell even in standard form. My pre-lci now with remap is making 185 wheel kw on WRC dyno, and to be honest I wouldn't put it past the lci to be making in my mind +-165-170 wheel kw on the same dyno my car was on, I have driven them back to back and yes my car does feel slightly stronger, but not by a big margin.

Once again just trying to help with whats being discussed here gents and maybe help in understanding Mortifer's dyno results.:thumbs:

 

[Rolf]

You know what.... I never looked at Mortifer's signiture so I never saw the hint hint hint model

So I have to paddle back .... quite a long way, go on my knees and ask for forgiveness

*ggg* how could I not see this?

Sorry guys and of course Mortifer; I appologize ... the figures do look right if related to the flywheel

Thanx Gareth for clearing the air :thumbs:

 

[Twinz]

You forgiven Rolf :rollsmile:

But...only a decent pic will set it right...:=):

 

[Mortifer]

You know what.... I never looked at Mortifer's signiture so I never saw the hint hint hint model

So I have to paddle back .... quite a long way, go on my knees and ask for forgiveness

*ggg* how could I not see this?

Sorry guys and of course Mortifer; I appologize ... the figures do look right if related to the flywheel

Thanx Gareth for clearing the air :thumbs:

Thanks Rolf, you are forgiven. Just going to change signature to say LCi :thumbs:

 

[PsyPhin]

Hi guys,

Just to add from an outside perspective. I was one of the Mazda guys at the dyno. My average from ALB, KAR and GWT dynos has been 175-180kw and 340-360nm at the wheels without OB or anything extra. I was getting a bit of detonation (0.5-1.2 knock) so I though I am going to mix a 35L 95 pump fuel/NF Ultra mix for this dyno.

I got 191kw and 357nm which was better than I have got previously. It was also cold that morning and from my logs I saw it was helping to keep my Boost air temperatures down to the low 50's which I think is another factor giving me the extra power.

Other guys there didnt have the same feeling and their figures were less than they hoped for. All in all the dyno seemed pretty accurate through about 10 different car models everything was about right, some high some lower but thats how dynos go.

I think Mortifier just has a strong stock car and it will be interesting to follow when the chip is installed. I am not sure how the newton meters is 40 + the quoted stock flywheel specs but if that dyno was off, every dyno I have been to has been off. I would expect a car with 520nm flywheel nm quoted to be lucky to get 480 up on the reef on the wheel. Power after all is just work done over time, and work done by a cars wheels has thousands of factors contributing to it.

 

[///Shaun]

Wow what a thread.....

Some added two cents worth. On my Diesel i make anything between 195kw or above 200kw at the wheels at both KAR and WRC with some odd 670nm. I said it before and will say it again, these dyno figures should be used as a guide and not as the bible.

I would rather use the dyno reads to see how a car puts its power down or in laymans terms of how a car delivers its power.Remember to make big numbers with a Diesel is fairly easy. Having that power available through the rev range is key.

IMO a strong Diesel should be measured against the clocks and not on a dyno machine. One will be surprised if they think they can take a torque monster and go run in the 13sec bracket. Its easier said than done with many trying and many failing.

My car for example had lots of research done with lots of work from Sherwin put into it for me to achieve the power and 1/4mile times.

I think given some time with trial and errors JBD can work......

 

[laemmchen78]

Seems the confusion came from the high figure claimed for a standard, unmodified car as power at the wheels.

Good that its clear now :thumbs:

 

[///M_Diesel]

BMW claims 180kw n 520nm on a stock 330d LCI....

I sure they are pushing much more then that frm the factory :fencelook:

 

[Mortifer]

Hello Guys,

just an update, got the JBD yesterday and installed it. So far it seems to have better throttle response and power. Will have to go do some data logging to see how it is responding to the car and do a dyno. Running the chip in first now almost at max setting without any smoke or engine light on dash. Will let you guys know how the data logging goes ones we start.

Regards

Mortifer.









Sorry for the date stamp, it is wrong only realised it now that the camera's date is out.

 

[Twinz]

Excellent. :joy: