Intermittent power dips while cruising or accelerating

Donatello

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Hi guys, I'm hoping someone can help shed some light on the problem my car is currently having:

My E60 has 146,000 km's on the clock and I've had this problem for a while now (at least a year) and it was always very subdued but it seems to be getting worse now. I do have a custom GPS tracking unit fitted but this problem started long before that, apart from that I have no other custom modifications made to the car.

Here is what happens:
While the car is cold everything seems fine, but after I've driven for +/- 15 km's the car usually starts to behave strange. The problem especially seems to happen when I've parked for a couple of minutes and then start driving again. While driving it will basically produce a dip in power every 3-5 seconds (the dip lasting for less than a second). The 3-5 seconds in-between power dips are mostly very consistent (I can count the seconds) other times not so but the problem occurs whether I am keeping the throttle steady (lets say 2000 RPM's) or whether I am accelerating.

I checked the rev counter whether the RPM's also dropped when the power loss occurs but it seems to be steady (or perhaps the RPM's drops so little or regains itself too quickly for the analogue rev counter to show).

I took the car to BMW (Forsdicks Tyger Valley) and they said that the problem might be due to a faulty Mass Air Flow sensor (MAF) but they are charging a huge amount to replace it and I first want to learn more before I give them or anyone else the go-ahead to replace the sensor for me. I've read that one can clean the sensor with a specialised spray (I got a product with a CRC logo on it which everyone seems to recommend) but I'll need to buy a hard to find external star socket set to remove the sensor first.

What are you're guys thoughts on the issue? I realise that it may be many things causing this problem but the more info I have the better decisions I can make in the near future so any input would be greatly appreciated!
 

pi328

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Is it the 5-pointer star socket? If so, get part TS25 at Nesco Engineering Supplies. They're opposite Sanlam head office in Bellville. This is of course assuming the E60 MAF uses the same size as the E39. If not, they have all kinds of sizes there. :)

As to your actual problem, not a clue, sorry. :(
 

Donatello

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pi328 said:
Is it the 5-pointer star socket? If so, get part TS25 at Nesco Engineering Supplies. They're opposite Sanlam head office in Bellville. This is of course assuming the E60 MAF uses the same size as the E39. If not, they have all kinds of sizes there. :)

As to your actual problem, not a clue, sorry. :(

Thanks pi328, if I remember correctly it is a 5 pointer star but the socket needs to be a female as the bolt itself is a male. I'll definitely take a drive to Nesco Engineering to go and have a look though, thanks very much for the tip!
 

pi328

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This is TS25:

img_4460.jpg
 

moranor@axis

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clean maf and check all the intake pipes for leaks...

having the codes read might also help find the problem :)
 

Donatello

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pi328 said:
This is TS25:

img_4460.jpg

Hmm, that is not going to work unfortunately, the one thing I remember is that I need a female socket (and those are the hard ones to come by), but thanks for going through the trouble in taking a picture of the TS25 :) I'll open the covers again later and try to take a photo of one of those bolts.

moranor@axis said:
clean maf and check all the intake pipes for leaks...

having the codes read might also help find the problem :)

Thanks moranor, that is the current plan, but first i need to get that silly socket key to take the MAF off. :)
 

tinovittee

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It's a long shot... but my friend had a similar problem, and the solution made him do this... :flyfun:

Do you always fill up at the same garage?? My friend had issues because there was water in the fuel he was filling up with. Started filling up at a different garage and never had the issues again. But ya, it's more likely the MAF...


moranor@axis said:
clean maf and check all the intake pipes for leaks...

having the codes read might also help find the problem :)

+1
 

Donatello

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tinovittee said:
It's a long shot... but my friend had a similar problem, and the solution made him do this... :flyfun:

Do you always fill up at the same garage?? My friend had issues because there was water in the fuel he was filling up with. Started filling up at a different garage and never had the issues again. But ya, it's more likely the MAF...

Hi tinovittee, we mostly fill up at the same garage yes. The tank is near empty and it can't hurt filling up somewhere else for a change, thanks for the suggestion :)
 

tinovittee

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Good luck... hope it's something silly and not something expensive! :) Try filling up somewhere else a few times, there may be water in the system that won't be flushed with just 1 tank... Also try not run the tank dry, because you could clog your fuel filter with sediment at the bottom of the tank that could also cause power loss problems due to interrupted fuel supply. If it's not the fuel system, then I defer to Moranor's judgement, check the MAF's and the error code report.
 

Donatello

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tinovittee said:
Good luck... hope it's something silly and not something expensive! :) Try filling up somewhere else a few times, there may be water in the system that won't be flushed with just 1 tank... Also try not run the tank dry, because you could clog your fuel filter with sediment at the bottom of the tank that could also cause power loss problems due to interrupted fuel supply. If it's not the fuel system, then I defer to Moranor's judgement, check the MAF's and the error code report.

Thanks tinovittee, I'll keep you guys updated in case anyone else runs into the same problems in the future.
 

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charlvdw

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moranor@axis said:
charlvdw said:
moranor@axis said:
charlvdw said:

torx normally have 6 points... i think this is a scheme they cooked up with tool makers to get people to buy more tools :fencelook:

Yea true. I was reading like my arse. But now it bothers me what it's called.

lets call it a bastard :rollsmile:
lol, seems the bastard is called a pentalobe or penta socket.:=):
 

moranor@axis

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charlvdw said:
moranor@axis said:
charlvdw said:
moranor@axis said:
charlvdw said:

torx normally have 6 points... i think this is a scheme they cooked up with tool makers to get people to buy more tools :fencelook:

Yea true. I was reading like my arse. But now it bothers me what it's called.

lets call it a bastard :rollsmile:
lol, seems the bastard is called a pentalobe or penta socket.:=):

think i will stick with bastard... but good to know the real name :rollsmile:
 

Donatello

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charlvdw, you are 100% correct. It is indeed a 6 pointed star and I'll need a Torx socket if I want to remove the pipe/housing in which the MAF plugs into.

However, I've in the mean time found a short guide in which the guy simple removed the sensor itself by unscrewing the sensor with a standard star screw driver and if it is as simple as that I'm going to kick myself since I could have done that a long time ago. This was on an M5 though but the setup seems very similar.
 

charlvdw

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Just for interest sake, I bought a set of 10 mastercraft torx sockets from builders today for R210. Sockets only tho.
 

tinovittee

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Encountered these screws recently... a flat screwdriver that's wide enough to go from lobe to lobe also does the trick. Please keep us updated on the cause of your intermttent problem :)
 
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