MR_Y
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GT3 Touring in dark green with a manual box and silver wheels and cream/beige interior, with wood accents. Ultimate mature gentleman spec
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TurboLlew
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@Neven (who may or may not want to also share some information) and I were debating the colour this weekend @Nick . I am all for crazy colours. Lambos almost NEED to be green (or purple/yellow/orange) for me .
Porsche in Guard's Red or Lava Orange would do it. There was a lovely Purple GT3 (not for sale though - probably waiting for a customer to pick it up... though it was there for weeks)
Ferraris in Red/Yellow/White/Blue (who am I kidding... pretty much anything)
I feel like greys/silvers are for guys who care about resale value or somehow think they are not standing out if the car is painted in a muted tone.
eg: Yes look at how low key I am guys: I may as well be in a Yaris
.Porsche in Guard's Red or Lava Orange would do it. There was a lovely Purple GT3 (not for sale though - probably waiting for a customer to pick it up... though it was there for weeks)
Ferraris in Red/Yellow/White/Blue (who am I kidding... pretty much anything)
I feel like greys/silvers are for guys who care about resale value or somehow think they are not standing out if the car is painted in a muted tone
.eg: Yes look at how low key I am guys: I may as well be in a Yaris
With an F90 and a 4C, only porsche worth getting is a recent year GT3, Turbo S though - pretty much meaning an extra R2M minimum over the 4C. Heavy pill that. Diminishing returns as an old 2016 Carrera GTS or something like that wouldn't be a real upgrade versus the 4C I would think?
TurboLlew
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100% - the only real upgrades are going to be the Turbo S (kind of) and GT3. The actual 4C upgrade is something like a 488 Pista or GT2 RS... Nobody would believe it unless they had this particular mix of cars though LOL.
I also need something that is going to leave my hands trembling every time I drive it for at least the first month. I know most people don't like that and that they want something that flatters them and which they will be able to master and get to grips with 100%. I want to be slightly terrified when I hit 80%... and make sure it regularly reminds me I am not God when pushing onwards
I think in all the years of posting here that is one thing that hasn't changed. Very little of this involves speed itself... it's in the acceleration, braking, steering feel/dynamics, in gear performance, how it changes gear (whether manual or auto), how it responds when you throw it into corners, how you can set it up for 'you'... the visceral experience you get in terms of what you feel, touch, see, hear etc... All those things that even the fastest or most 'technically' brilliant of cars don't always do well and which electric cars are totally devoid of despite having the speed.This is the reason Lamborghinis and Ferraris still exist today and command higher asking prices despite being totally outperformed by and having inferior tech to McLarens and Porsches in their equivalent 'classes'.
We all act as though we want perfect 50/50 weight distribution, neutral handling etc - the perfect 'average' car - but those truly special things that you have in your life are always a little bit crazy or a little bit 'wrong' in some or the other area that either makes them stand out or makes them just that bit more 'right' for YOU as opposed to the spec sheet or 'technical ideal' or what some influencer/journo is saying you should want based on how much he has been paid by a specific manufacturer in that particular month. Sometimes you read or watch content and if something isn't neutral handling it is 'marked down' yet in every form of motorsport it is the driver's preference in terms of how the car is set up. It isn't right or wrong. Why would there be a right or wrong when it comes to this with road cars too?
So it's less about the performance and more about the heart strings on this one. I don't really want to (or need to) sell my 4C with 15000km on it. Same with the 50000km F90 which isn't far from paid up... hence the (very long) italian hunt. That being said, there is a VERY, VERY good reason the GT3 is held in the regard that it is and it makes any decision hard ... especially for those of us that have always had to value the opinion of the head over the needs of the heart up until this point. There are plenty of heart strings tugged when you are there in front of or sitting inside of the GT3 though
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TBP88
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I like a Porsche in wild colours (purples, golds, bright green) or in more staid colours (blues, deep green). Also depends on the Porsche itself, feel like a GT3RS in a stupid lurid orange makes perfect sense. A 911S in a lurid green would look ridiculous!@Neven (who may or may not want to also share some information) and I were debating the colour this weekend @Nick . I am all for crazy colours. Lambos almost NEED to be green (or purple/yellow/orange) for me
Porsche in Guard's Red or Lava Orange would do it. There was a lovely Purple GT3 (not for sale though - probably waiting for a customer to pick it up... though it was there for weeks)
Ferraris in Red/Yellow/White/Blue (who am I kidding... pretty much anything)
I feel like greys/silvers are for guys who care about resale value or somehow think they are not standing out if the car is painted in a muted tone
eg: Yes look at how low key I am guys: I may as well be in a Yaris
For lambos/ferrari I almost exclusively like plain colours, silver, white, dark blues etc. It's an insane car that will draw attention even if you painted it in vantablack, so having it "stealth" just looks classier.
I'd agree, if the price delta between 4.0GTS and GT4 was bigger I'd have gotten a 4.0GTS manual gladly. At the time I ordered the delta was like R200k. Given the rarity and the (IMHO) cooler looks of the GT4 it made sense to me.
I even considered a spyder very seriously but the silliness of the roof turned me off.
But yeah, I'd imagine a GTS is 95% of the thrills and substantially more practical (extra 20mm ride height, front PDC, softer suspension). Might be a bargain in a few years if they depreciate nicely!
Overall though no complaints, I was on a run with a GT4RS and can confirm it's bonkers fast in well equipped hands. I don't love the look and the price is utterly absurd (it's basically $-$ for a 992GT3!). I actually think (the lovely air intake aside) that the GT4 looks cooler, that swan neck spoiler does nothing for me.
In terms of value for money at the stupidity end of the car spectrum the best is probably a 991.1GT3RS, you can likely get one for R3m flat, maybe a high miler for R2.7ish levels?
Porsche 911 GT3 RS for sale in Sandton - ID: 27508645
Used 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS For Sale - R 2 995 000 - ID: 27508645
www.autotrader.co.za
Nice spec here too.
TurboLlew
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I get why he is saying it, even though I don't buy into the conclusion. Alot of guys just buy these to say they have the best track car and the 'credentials' that it buys them (Renault RS drivers, Lotus drivers, M-drivers... LOL they all do it). Spec sheets and talk are cheap. Crash with his E46 and 10 years+ seat time will likely crush an inexperienced Turbo S or GT3 driver around our tracks. Experienced this myself at the various private track events with the 4C (and with other cars previously). No shame in attending and being slower though - you have to learn somehow. Point is you don't magically become a great track driver by owning a GT3 which is what I guess some people feel will happen to them.
The Turbo S is not exactly what I'd call an underrated car and is overrated IMHO in it's own way.
Must raise this again: Great Ferrari thread BTW
TurboLlew
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I like a Porsche in wild colours (purples, golds, bright green) or in more staid colours (blues, deep green). Also depends on the Porsche itself, feel like a GT3RS in a stupid lurid orange makes perfect sense. A 911S in a lurid green would look ridiculous!
For lambos/ferrari I almost exclusively like plain colours, silver, white, dark blues etc. It's an insane car that will draw attention even if you painted it in vantablack, so having it "stealth" just looks classier.
I'd agree, if the price delta between 4.0GTS and GT4 was bigger I'd have gotten a 4.0GTS manual gladly. At the time I ordered the delta was like R200k. Given the rarity and the (IMHO) cooler looks of the GT4 it made sense to me.
I even considered a spyder very seriously but the silliness of the roof turned me off.
But yeah, I'd imagine a GTS is 95% of the thrills and substantially more practical (extra 20mm ride height, front PDC, softer suspension). Might be a bargain in a few years if they depreciate nicely!
Overall though no complaints, I was on a run with a GT4RS and can confirm it's bonkers fast in well equipped hands. I don't love the look and the price is utterly absurd (it's basically $-$ for a 992GT3!). I actually think (the lovely air intake aside) that the GT4 looks cooler, that swan neck spoiler does nothing for me.
In terms of value for money at the stupidity end of the car spectrum the best is probably a 991.1GT3RS, you can likely get one for R3m flat, maybe a high miler for R2.7ish levels?
Porsche 911 GT3 RS for sale in Sandton - ID: 27508645
Used 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS For Sale - R 2 995 000 - ID: 27508645www.autotrader.co.za
Nice spec here too.
If I had to buy a Cayman it would 110% be the spyder. I absolutely love it... and the crazy roof!
(also I agree on GT4 and GT4 RS - it's at the 'why bother' point when you can have the bigger and better sister for not alot more)
TBP88
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On the Ferrari question. TBH the high end ferrari's are so far beyond my comprehension that they bare no real meaning to my life. I will never be able to afford (say) an 812. Even if they halved in price. Even if they quartered in price. The maintaining is simply another level on stuff like that, let alone the cost of entry.
So then it becomes a pure rich persons game, cool and all for the carfluencers and the guys who have R100m+ levels of wealth but tbh most of the ferrari range is already in the koenigsegg/pagani/bugatti level. The difference between a R10m car and a R20m car is nothing really, you're operating at a level of rarified wealth that I will never access (TBH even if I had R100m, I doubt I'd spend R10m on a single car anyway!).
What Ferrari's do I (as a late 80s kid) like? 456 would be first on my list. They had a manual one down here for sale for R1m a while ago. The best looking ferrari standard production car of my lifetime (maybe ever?), usable, manual, V12 noise. Sure it'll probably get dropped by a golf R from a robot. And probably around any corners too. But it'll top 280km/h, it'll sound amazing and it's vaguely attainable in some universe. After that it's 355, then 550, then 360. In that order.
Of the newer stuff it's hard to care, personally. SF90s are R10m for a standard production Ferrari. They will literally make as many of these cars as they can sell (maybe more). The other stuff? A V6 turbo hybrid thing? That silly absurd SUV nonsense? The roma is gorgeous but it's essentially a portofino. which is essentially a california. The underlying architecture of the thing is from the mid-00s!!! For R5m levels? You're paying an awful lot to have a Ferrari badge there. R5m buys you a very well spec'd GT3.
R10m buys you a limited run 911 product.
That's not even considering the mclarens (probably a bigger saving still 2nd hand) or even just the range of cars you could own for R5-10m? That's a certified elite level BMW M collection there.
So then it becomes a pure rich persons game, cool and all for the carfluencers and the guys who have R100m+ levels of wealth but tbh most of the ferrari range is already in the koenigsegg/pagani/bugatti level. The difference between a R10m car and a R20m car is nothing really, you're operating at a level of rarified wealth that I will never access (TBH even if I had R100m, I doubt I'd spend R10m on a single car anyway!).
What Ferrari's do I (as a late 80s kid) like? 456 would be first on my list. They had a manual one down here for sale for R1m a while ago. The best looking ferrari standard production car of my lifetime (maybe ever?), usable, manual, V12 noise. Sure it'll probably get dropped by a golf R from a robot. And probably around any corners too. But it'll top 280km/h, it'll sound amazing and it's vaguely attainable in some universe. After that it's 355, then 550, then 360. In that order.
Of the newer stuff it's hard to care, personally. SF90s are R10m for a standard production Ferrari. They will literally make as many of these cars as they can sell (maybe more). The other stuff? A V6 turbo hybrid thing? That silly absurd SUV nonsense? The roma is gorgeous but it's essentially a portofino. which is essentially a california. The underlying architecture of the thing is from the mid-00s!!! For R5m levels? You're paying an awful lot to have a Ferrari badge there. R5m buys you a very well spec'd GT3.
R10m buys you a limited run 911 product.
That's not even considering the mclarens (probably a bigger saving still 2nd hand) or even just the range of cars you could own for R5-10m? That's a certified elite level BMW M collection there.
TBP88
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You also have an M5! Then a stupid roof is fun.
When your other car is a myciti bus, then a stupid roof isn't fun
MR_Y
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I have not driven, never mind sat in, a Ferrari.
Even if I had the money, it just feels too exotic to be driven on most SA roads. Same can be said of Lamborghini sports cars too.
Would be keen to know if we have a Ferrari/Lambo owner on this forum and how they drive their cars and in what conditions.
Even if I had the money, it just feels too exotic to be driven on most SA roads. Same can be said of Lamborghini sports cars too.
Would be keen to know if we have a Ferrari/Lambo owner on this forum and how they drive their cars and in what conditions.
TBP88
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I've been on a run before with a diablo 6.0 and a murcie. On a mountain pass a brave driver in a GTI clubsport is faster.
Obviously when the bends become sweepers the lambo *pulls* though.
Can't imagine using something that exotic even semi-frequently, not even just in SA. Anywhere!
TBP88
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Never driven one though! Have sat in a few stationary ones. They're pretty incredible cars.
But yeah, at north (and in the case of diablo's these days, well north) of R10m, you're just so deep into dumb-money territory. I love cars. And if I had 100s of millions I'd likely have a few seriously expensive cars. But ja, the deep stupidity end (pagani, bugatti, koenigsegg, limited ferrari etc.) of the market just does nothing for me (the new T50 aside, I'd have that in an absolute heartbeat if one of you wants to loan me 3m GBP).
MR_Y
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I guess that is why Porsche (GTx cars and even the more humble models) is so popular - it melds VW drivability with supercar thrills.
TBP88
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Reliability, ease of maintaining. Guys have watched tavarish etc and just don't realise how much more difficult (and expensive) running a big V12 italian super car vs (say) a 911 is. It's night and day.
Porsche produce more cars in a year than Ferrari has *ever*. Sure plenty of those are macans and cayennes, but think of all the shared electronics - how much cost saving there is there.
TurboLlew
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I have driven quite a few of them now... even got to have them for 'extended' test drives of a couple of hours. They are not particularly exotic when you get used to them. The attention is similar to what I get in the Alfa TBH (Most people think it's a Ferrari at first LOL). The Alfa's attention is usually universally positive (it is a cheap and cheerful thing after all)... and I'd imagine there would be some negative attention with the Ferrari. Bear in mind I am not looking at anything remotely 'NEW' when it comes to these. They are the same price range (or less in the case of the 458) of what a GT3 or GT3 RS would cost. It's not for other people or even the performance... it's ticking a box for the little boy that still lives in my head who grew up across the road from a sugar cane field...and what he wanted... that's why I'm sure I'll likely only ever own one (maybe...).
I think again, as I mentioned before probably you sit in one of these things and the buttons are sticky, the leather is not the best, it has dated TFT screens (my Alfa's display is probably better), they are finicky and highly strung... it is like buying an E46 M3.... except you're actually paying 3.3-4.3M for this... It is VERY difficult to swallow this pill when these cars cost around this amount new (inflation and R/euro is a b****), the new cars are ever further out of reach and you can walk into porsche and see those new shiny things above that "FEEL" like they should cost that sort of money to your logical brain
I would imagine Lambos are similar when it comes to attention as well as finding them in decent shape.
The owners of both seem to drive around quite regularly - there is a guy that does the school run in a Gallardo Spyder from time to time. I've even seen 458s and 488s parked at mall of Africa. I am sure many people have seen me doing the school run in my Alfa and out and about just doing normal things despite it being a bit of an attention magnet. I also drove my S2000 (Granted not an exotic really) for 7 years mostly with the roof down. It does heavily depend on where you are, what you do, whether you're in traffic or not etc so everyone will have a different experience and view on how these kinds of thing will work out for them.
In terms of Police attention... trust me, it can't be any worse than I already have with a gigantic blue M5 and thing that loosely resembles a Ferrari but is exotic looking enough that they will even hunt you down through traffic just to stop it and get a closer look...
We do have Lambo and F car owners on the forum IIRC. not sure how active at this point.
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