Fitting an E90 Motor into an E36

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Moranor i didnt want to get into this but let me explain my response to you......You continually state the obvious (in most of your replies on this and other threads). You unrelated comments, stating the obvious and guess work do not add value in the thread ........these sorts of comments are clear in you previous post:
- look an engine swap is a massive job... it has to be worth your while (serious? So rebuilding a motor and fitting a super charger is not??)
-Yes you SHOULD be able to swap this engine in with minimal trouble (oh thanks, how have you come to this conclusion)
- Not sure if it will be worth it (not sure how this helps with the actual swop but ummm ok?)
- Not sure if you can have it done for the 1st race of next year (not that this point matters but do you even know when the first race is?)

Should I give more examples?

Remember I originally said it was a race motor at a very good price, so what difference does it make what the dyno graph and torque curve states to the actual swop?.........perhaps its because you couldnt find the answer on Google??............

Anyway, here are the basic details on the motor in case it makes any difference (to you)!

The motor is a 210 kw (on 95 unleaded) production car motor that has been built by the BMW team and has all the correct internals like cams, rods, pistons, etc etc fitted to it. It has been proven to be a very reliable motor and the same motor was used without reliability issues for two years by the Production car guys before they got their new cars. It is a spare motor that has run very little and I have been offered it for R15k complete. (hence my original question)

 

[moranor@axis]

You seem pretty well sorted then have a nice day...

 

[JayDrft]

Hi Guys,

I doubt this thread went in the direction it was intended:sorry:. I hope the underlying tension can be resolved.:hammerhead:

I suppose I am not adding value, but based off of the specs that you are going with, at 15k - I wouldnt even blink, i would scoop it up - specially if you know the history and lifeline of the engine.

Fitting - is a complete assumption. An inline 6, into an inline 6 bay - should be straight forward, with somewhat common mounts across all the 6ers in the BMW range. The only trouble which you may encounter - and this will most likely happen, is the steering column/shaft and exhaust branches.

If no answers are available on Google, the next best bet is to compare, the locations of auxillaries(columns, manifolds etc) in the E90 bay vs the E36 bay.

If you say the box mounts on, your only concern maybe the location of the sump and pick up. If they match up to the e36 - this engine swop would be a "No-Brainer".

And please....Dont Shoot!:cartel:

 

[zulu]

I'm not familar with the sump layout of the m54, is the bowl at the rear of the motor? If so, fitment would be simple enough, and I would 'farm out' the installation and tuning of the management system.
Another thing to consider is your exhaust manifold, do your M3 manifolds bolt-up the the M54's head but I suppose it would be easy enough to sell them off and 'recycle' the cash into funding the correct manifold.
Barring all that.....It sounds 'perfect' for your application and the price is extremely attractive. Cheers

 

[moranor@axis]

I have given this some thought and feel your response is rather unfair and uncalled for...

Have a little time now to explain my posts here and the reasoning around them

If you explained from the start that motor was 200kw+ build by the BMW team with management for R 15k im sure many STUPID posts by myself and others would not have happened and the posts would have been more acceptable to you... hell this could be dry sump in that case it would make the two posts above also STUPID

being a race motor built by BMW it changes things completely because reliability and the quality of the work should be high. how easy it will be to fit will depend on what modifications were done to the intake and exhaust manifolds and sump. I believe the e90 engine bay is quite a bit larger so you may have clearance issues on those if they used all the space available to them

my posts for the most part were to bump the thread in the hopes that someone had more relevant information for you or perhaps a link to a similar transplant... it is easy for threads like this to get buried under the volume of posts on the forum daily

also being a fan of your build I was quite excited to see you resolve your power issue so wanted to know more about what you were getting

If there is some sort of underlying issue with myself I would like to resolve it Via PM so we could possibly have better interactions than this on the forum

 

[Peter@AEW]

Heck Bruce for R15k one makes it fit.

If you wanna borrow my hammer and chisel give me a shout....

 

[Inactive]

Moranor.......I wanted to keep the thread simple and on topic and stay away from it becoming a debate. The problem with threads like this is it ends up going in a totally different direction to what is intended with all the recommendations from people that can not actually answer the initial question.
The topic was simple; "Has anyone fitted an E90 motor into an e36".....thats it. The rest (power, torque curve, dyno graph, super charger, scrap vehicle, whether it has a dry sump or not etc etc) is irrelevant to the thread and gives absolutely no answer to the initial question.


....... i have no issues with you...i dont even know you. Look back in the thread and you will see I even tried to say to you nice and politely ("Bud I just need to know if someone has done it.") ...........which you seemed to take as a personal insult or something, which it wasnt meant to be.

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Heck Bruce for R15k one makes it fit.

If you wanna borrow my hammer and chisel give me a shout....

:biglol: lol thank you a1exander.

 

[moranor@axis]

Thanks Bruce I was quite disappointed with your response thats all
understand it can be frustrating maybe next time post a little more info to get more relevant answers

moving along did you pull the trigger and get the engine :rollsmile:

 

[Inactive]

I still dont agree with you saying "post a little more info to get more relevant answers".

But ya anyway....moving along

 

[moranor@axis]

fitting an e90 motor into an e36 and fitting THIS e90 motor into an e36 are two different things

for one you have a well setup management system with the engine this solves alot of issues... also the intake manifold, exhaust manifold and sump have probably been altered so clearance around the engine is probably different to a normal n52

but as Peter rightly says for 15k you make it fit

did you get the engine :rollsmile:

 

[JayDrft]

Moranor, basically what Bruce is saying...is if we answered yes or no, he woul dof appreciated that, but would still be left without a solid answer.

@Bruce, following your builds and meeting you personally - I was also taken back a bit by your response to Moranor - cause you dont come across as a brute(perhaps someone pissed on your battery that day and prompted the heated or unintentional response), that usually adds value and insight to many posts, so i second Moranor, with it being a bit of an unfair response.

As you did leave a gap open for speculation, who knows, it could have been an e90 with a specialised exhaust system(larger than the norm), an e90 with groceries etc...so without important information - one will tend to speculate.

We can understand the discreetness, as if some people knew that an offer was available like that, they may persue it before you have made up your mind - hence the massive speculation and debate that arose from your initial post.

Come now guys...lets play nice - so have you made a decision? Are you gonna fit the motor yourself, cause I can offer a hand here and there(with the bit of experience I have gained on my Never ending story project car).

Peter, I am with you on that one - Make it fit for that price, or build a new car around it!!!!!:tiptoe:

 

[Inactive]

Jaydrift then you should know that I did not intend that reply to be rude/insulting/whatever
I think you guys read my reply incorrectly and perhaps you need to go read it again......besides when i wrote that reply I had already said this:
"Been offered a E90 330 race motor at an unbelievable price hense the question."

What is different between that and replying 200kw motor at R15k? (details yes) but basically the same message. What difference does it make to the actual fitting....or am I missing something.

Anyway whatever. Thanks for the replies.

 

[danieljames]

9 going to assume that no one in SA has tried this. Therefore The only way you'll know is if you try it.

http://www.germanboost.com/showthr...4/b8e6bb40575c9576a76e948afaa9d41b.jpg[/IMG]

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Don't know if that url posted properly

http://www.germanboost.com/showthr...-first-ever-N55B30-into-E36-swap-with-iDrive

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I subscribed to see progress on this build. I'm sorry that I can't help with advice but hopefully this can serve as some motivation

 

[moranor@axis]

really not a problem Bruce if you say you did not mean to come across in a bad way and I misread it I will take your word for it text can be a bastard the tone can be hard to convey and easily misread

in general on forums you need to guide the threads in the direction you want it to go or you will get many "I AM TYPING!!!" posts

"Been offered a E90 330 race motor at an unbelievable price hence the question." is still vague so there is bound to be some speculation if not by me then others

If you said "200kw+ build by the BMW team with management basically plug and play for R 15k"

Im sure no one in their right mind would suggest:
Sell the motor and get the s52
there is still that supercharger going for 20k on the forum
the word Turbo would also have come up sooner or later if you did not say exactly what you are getting

this is just how forums work people question EVERYTHING, suggest many things and I and most definitely understand the frustration in the end all you can do is take what you need from forums and try guide the discussion where you need it to be

I was more worried about bad blood between us than anything else your response seemed very out of character and I could not make sense of it

 

[Bugger]

I found a site where there is a BMW V12 engine in an E36 325i coupe. If that can fit, then the E90 motor must fit.

 

[Zound]

The N52B30 is arguably the pinnacle of naturally aspirated non-M engines to be available. Add that this engine has been fettled by BMW racing and is most likely using the advanced three stage intake manifold means this engine is going to be quite a peach, provided its in good condition. So I have to agree with A1exanders comment, for that price you make it fit!

 

[moranor@axis]

I hope we see this happen

 

[Bernard///M3]

Slightly off the topic:cartel:
About 3 or 4 years back I was driving behind a maroon E36 with 340i on the back at the robot I asked what he had, as it sounded mean. He told me he had a 4.0 V8 from the M3 in it!!
I'm going on what the guy told me at robot never saw the motor, but it sounded awesome!!

 

[Bazza]

Must be SUPER reliable... a motor with all the internals changed etc etc etc and making an extra 20KW? Must have everything turned down for reliability purposes. Also funny that they changed internals when the 330 productions only really changed exhaust, branches and added proper engine management and pushed 230-235KW. Obviously the fact that the production 330 used to weigh 300kgs less is what made the biggest difference in performance.

Also, if you don't want these experienced professional's opinions then rather don't ask on the forum, everyone seemed to just be trying to be their normal helpful selves.
:drama:

 

[Inactive]

Thanks for the replies all.
Clearly I have been miss understood and will not make the same mistake again. Apologies to all the so called "experienced professionals" .....
:roflol:

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