discussion F30 2013 320D or 2014 320i

KPM3_30

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Does the facelift 320d F30 have the same engine as the non facelift model ?

there is one close to me that ill go look at

Immediately the above is ruled out - probably also had 700k and clock being turned back.. Stay far away from these kind of dealerships/chop shops.

Please take someone knowledgeable with you to view.
 

Kyle

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@E90Francois what's your budget? if it's between 100-150k I would say the best you will get is an E90 LCI 320d which is still a very good car (Assuming there's still some budget left in the kitty for maintenance)... I personally would not go anywhere near an F30 selling for that price.

It might also be worth considering something out of the BMW stable as a family car, you could look at something like a 2016-ish CR-V which would be relatively bulletproof and fit the requirement for a headache free car. Just my 2c
 
@E90Francois what's your budget? if it's between 100-150k I would say the best you will get is an E90 LCI 320d which is still a very good car (Assuming there's still some budget left in the kitty for maintenance)... I personally would not go anywhere near an F30 selling for that price.

It might also be worth considering something out of the BMW stable as a family car, you could look at something like a 2016-ish CR-V which would be relatively bulletproof and fit the requirement for a headache free car. Just my 2c
I would prefer a bmw, always owned bmw's and they were all generally very reliable best one yet was the facelift 525i E34 manual 1995 abused it for years in my late teens and early 20's (serviced every 10000km) and never skipped a beat. Just had to replace the starter motor and clutch.

The 320d E90 was my 1st diesel and the biggest headache of them all.

I do like the e90 LCI but assumed it would be more trouble.

Yes budget is around 150k
I was also looking at x3 3.0d xdrive or the 2.0d xdrive but was put off by the diesel lemon i got.
 

Kyle

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I would prefer a bmw, always owned bmw's and they were all generally very reliable best one yet was the facelift 525i E34 manual 1995 abused it for years in my late teens and early 20's (serviced every 10000km) and never skipped a beat. Just had to replace the starter motor and clutch.

The 320d E90 was my 1st diesel and the biggest headache of them all.

I do like the e90 LCI but assumed it would be more trouble.

Yes budget is around 150k
I was also looking at x3 3.0d xdrive or the 2.0d xdrive but was put off by the diesel lemon i got.
So what you need to look out for is a 2011+ E90 which had the N47 with the updated timing chain tensioner. Those are bulletproof as long as it has good service history.

It sucks that you were stuck with a lemon of a 320d but you can't really compare that to any reasonably well maintained example.
 
Does this also apply to the 1st gen x3 with timing chain issues?
I am aware of the transfer case motor gear stripping and it throwing the 4x4 light

But i have helped a few friends by replacing it with the stronger gear. Fairly cheap and easy to do.

Other than that not sure if they also have the n47 or m47 like my dud.
 

MR_Y

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It might also be worth considering something out of the BMW stable as a family car, you could look at something like a 2016-ish CR-V which would be relatively bulletproof and fit the requirement for a headache free car. Just my 2c
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Kyle

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Does this also apply to the 1st gen x3 with timing chain issues?
I am aware of the transfer case motor gear stripping and it throwing the 4x4 light

But i have helped a few friends by replacing it with the stronger gear. Fairly cheap and easy to do.

Other than that not sure if they also have the n47 or m47 like my dud.
The later models had the N47 (08+ IIRC), although this N47 has the slightly weaker timing chain setup. Since the timing chain sits at the gearbox side it's quite a pain to replace so just keep that in mind.
 

FILV

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Its good you mentioned your budget, so that helps us to help you find something decent.
You are going to have to be very patient to find something that is a good buy and well looked after.And when it does show up, immediately go check it out.
i used to check All platforms every hour when i was searching for my next car.

Unfortunately the price of diesel Bmw's sky rocketed after covid. And the general population is now aware its the best Bmw to buy due to the amazing power and consumption and reliability, which makes them harder to get and at a decent price.

At a budget of 150k you are definitely limited to a e90 320d or an X1 20d.

I had a look and these are the only ones i would shortlist and research:

 

FILV

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I will also add - you also have to be realistic you are buying an older than 10 year old car.
You will have to do preventive maintenance. At this this point as with any car, after 5 years all working parts needs to be checked.

Front suspension components (control arm bushes, engine mounts etc)
Engine hoses
The catalytic converter could be blocked, or close to being blocked.

The common items on an ZF gearbox Bmw is go to ZF gearbox and let them analyze your gear box and see if it is till within spec, and able to do the gearbox oil flush.
If not then you know you have time to save for a 30k gearbox rebuild at a specialist we can recommend. But then the gearbox will be good for another 10 years.

Then the 20D the pulley and wheels need to be checked. Thats about it with the common items.
 

Riaad

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another wildcard option (if it must be a bmw) would be a 330i.
early model e90s will easily be within budget, and these are relatively reliable, provided you do the necessary maintenance.

I came across this on FB MP, Pricing is on the higher side, but looks clean with decent mileage.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bmw...0676770475973/?sale_post_id=10160676770475973

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I am in agreement with @Kyle .
Last thing you want with a new born (they are expensive bundles of joy) is a lot of maintenance on a older BMW (last e90 came out 12 years ago so even a nice one will need some taking care of and your budget does not allow for a F30) and being worried about mom and baby on the side of the road.
For now take the R150k and buy something else. You generally cant go wrong with the Japs. You might end up with something a bit newer that she can keep running for long and get a BMW again further down the road. Sometimes our heads need to take priority over our hearts.
 

FILV

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I am in agreement with @Kyle .
Last thing you want with a new born (they are expensive bundles of joy) is a lot of maintenance on a older BMW (last e90 came out 12 years ago so even a nice one will need some taking care of and your budget does not allow for a F30) and being worried about mom and baby on the side of the road.
For now take the R150k and buy something else. You generally cant go wrong with the Japs. You might end up with something a bit newer that she can keep running for long and get a BMW again further down the road. Sometimes our heads need to take priority over our hearts.
In My experience Bmw parts aren't that much more expensive than Japanese parts.
In fact when my friend had a run x i had a 3 series, certain parts of his were more than mine.


How ever always good alternative options(but all will need preventative maintenance) :
last one was for fun 😁
 
I will also add - you also have to be realistic you are buying an older than 10 year old car.
You will have to do preventive maintenance. At this this point as with any car, after 5 years all working parts needs to be checked.

Front suspension components (control arm bushes, engine mounts etc)
Engine hoses
The catalytic converter could be blocked, or close to being blocked.

The common items on an ZF gearbox Bmw is go to ZF gearbox and let them analyze your gear box and see if it is till within spec, and able to do the gearbox oil flush.
If not then you know you have time to save for a 30k gearbox rebuild at a specialist we can recommend. But then the gearbox will be good for another 10 years.

Then the 20D the pulley and wheels need to be checked. Thats about it with the common items.
I do understand it will need maintenance and repairs yes as its almost 10+ years old.

I am no stranger to a spanner lol and dont mind pulling a engine and rebuilding it, hell i pulled the z3 engine twice to rebuild it within a year because spirited driving, track days and the M52b28 were not the best of friends

Ideally what i want is a N54 335i but unfortunately i need to grow up now lol so sensible reliable car is what it will have to be.

What i mean with unreliable to put things into perspective is, with the E90 320D, ran fine for the first month or so after getting it, then the injectors started acting up making a knocking sound under acceleration then rev hangs when you let off, so replaced the injectors, knocking was gone but car stuck in limp, then got ista to code injectors, cant code injectors as there is a vin miss match, new DDE was fitted as previous owner said, and after just doing a software update all of a sudden the ABS and traction control as well as airbag lights came on.

BMW specialist said that it was all disabled in software, and when i updated the modules everting started working but the DME cant communicate with the body control module due to vin miss match, was not to worried as the car was still driving, that' when i noticed the milage on the rest of the original modules to the car showed 700 000+ KM with 5 battery replacements.

Not long after the car started randomly cutting out when driving, ended up being crank sensor, so intake and starter off to get to it.
not long after that the alternator packed up, fitted a new alternator, about a month after that the starter motor packed up. replaced it.
then almost the same month the power steering rack started leaking oil so bad that it empties the bottle in a 10 min drive, replaced the rack.
then the front disks started vibrating the steering wheel under braking, new rotors pads and sensors fitted, (abs light still showing)
then the front shocks went and the front wheels were shaking badly on gravel roads, so new rack / rod ends bushes and shocks.
Now latest is DMF went bang, so needs new flywheel and clutch, and it started pissing oil from the rocker cover somewhere in the middle and the front crank seal or oil pan.
Oh also replaced the turbo as it had a slight bit of shaft play, too much that i was happy with.
Then aircon pump broke, so replace and regas.

forgot to mention the intake manifold was so clogged up i had to hot tank it, then clean it with a pressure washer, then hot tank then ultra sonic to get out all the hard bits, looked like tar. Also took the DPF out as it was clogged. Then the usual major service parts was done when i got the car, filters etc.

Car still stuck in limp mode, cant do any service resets on the OBC as the modules are not communicating.

Not sure on how to sort that out, BMW wants me to but a new DDE for the price of what i paid for the car.
All this in the time frame of 1 year, got the car last year November.

So if the new car lasts at least 1 year without anything major going bang i would consider it reliable lol

One more question, should i shy away from higher milage 320d E90 LCI / x3 (200 000kmh+-) even if they have full service history ? or are they generally reliable if well taken care of even with high milage.
 

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In My experience Bmw parts aren't more expensive than Japanese parts.
In fact when my friend had a run x i had a 3 series, certain parts of his were more than mine.


How ever always good alternative options(but all will need preventative maintenance) :
last one was for fun 😁
Had the 2008 polo 9n 1.4tdi 3cyl
parts for that thing was more expensive than for the BMW E-lemon90 320D

I would prefer something rear wheel drive. I do like the accord, those K24 engines are bulletproof as well. But its wrong wheel drive.

BMW to maintain is roughly the same price as Japanese cars, all the maintenance i do myself so its basically the cost of parts.
I also maintain my Mother's Hyundai and costs of things are roughly the same give or take a few 100 buks.

And if you compare it to the polo, new injectors on the polo were 12000 each cheapest i could find, bmw is about half that per injector and can be rebuilt, the VW injector could not be serviced or rebuilt so its replace only.

Turbo cores are roughly the same price as well as filters, disk rotors etc.

The difference comes in when you pay a BMW dealership to do the work and source the parts for you i think.
 
Not the best VW to use as reference.

In the end its your choice bud. You need to be happy to see it in your drive way and happy to get in and drive it. Same goes for your SO.
All the best in your search.
Lol true, those are expensive to maintain but cheap to run.

Let me do some calculating of budgets tonight, 150 000 is not set in stone, then rather get something decent that my SO can enjoy for some time without to many issues.

Ill just explain to my SO very gingerly its a budget not a target 😅
 

FILV

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the weak point on a 320D e90 lci is the gear box. Thats it.
but like i said, if you willing to take it to Autotrans (owner sued to be master technician at ZF gearbox) and let him rebuild it if needed for 30k or less, than nothing else to worry about. Thats worst case scenario.
I would be open to a 320D or 330D or Any diesel Bmw , as long as it has been properly cared, and with proof of all work done, and you see it is a clean car with good habits. (minimal breakages from new)

You really had a lemon. Like the worst of the worst. But that car had done 700 000km, probably with minimal tlc.

the list i posted has the cleanest looking cars on Autotrader, you bound to find a decent one out of one of those.
Then ask Coisman to check it out before you purchase it.

haha good luck
Im keen to see what you end up with, and your experience. And if the wife is happy with the final choice, of course 😁
 

Anees

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I do understand it will need maintenance and repairs yes as its almost 10+ years old.

I am no stranger to a spanner lol and dont mind pulling a engine and rebuilding it, hell i pulled the z3 engine twice to rebuild it within a year because spirited driving, track days and the M52b28 were not the best of friends

Ideally what i want is a N54 335i but unfortunately i need to grow up now lol so sensible reliable car is what it will have to be.

What i mean with unreliable to put things into perspective is, with the E90 320D, ran fine for the first month or so after getting it, then the injectors started acting up making a knocking sound under acceleration then rev hangs when you let off, so replaced the injectors, knocking was gone but car stuck in limp, then got ista to code injectors, cant code injectors as there is a vin miss match, new DDE was fitted as previous owner said, and after just doing a software update all of a sudden the ABS and traction control as well as airbag lights came on.

BMW specialist said that it was all disabled in software, and when i updated the modules everting started working but the DME cant communicate with the body control module due to vin miss match, was not to worried as the car was still driving, that' when i noticed the milage on the rest of the original modules to the car showed 700 000+ KM with 5 battery replacements.

Not long after the car started randomly cutting out when driving, ended up being crank sensor, so intake and starter off to get to it.
not long after that the alternator packed up, fitted a new alternator, about a month after that the starter motor packed up. replaced it.
then almost the same month the power steering rack started leaking oil so bad that it empties the bottle in a 10 min drive, replaced the rack.
then the front disks started vibrating the steering wheel under braking, new rotors pads and sensors fitted, (abs light still showing)
then the front shocks went and the front wheels were shaking badly on gravel roads, so new rack / rod ends bushes and shocks.
Now latest is DMF went bang, so needs new flywheel and clutch, and it started pissing oil from the rocker cover somewhere in the middle and the front crank seal or oil pan.
Oh also replaced the turbo as it had a slight bit of shaft play, too much that i was happy with.
Then aircon pump broke, so replace and regas.

forgot to mention the intake manifold was so clogged up i had to hot tank it, then clean it with a pressure washer, then hot tank then ultra sonic to get out all the hard bits, looked like tar. Also took the DPF out as it was clogged. Then the usual major service parts was done when i got the car, filters etc.

Car still stuck in limp mode, cant do any service resets on the OBC as the modules are not communicating.

Not sure on how to sort that out, BMW wants me to but a new DDE for the price of what i paid for the car.
All this in the time frame of 1 year, got the car last year November.

So if the new car lasts at least 1 year without anything major going bang i would consider it reliable lol

One more question, should i shy away from higher milage 320d E90 LCI / x3 (200 000kmh+-) even if they have full service history ? or are they generally reliable if well taken care of even with high milage.

Damn bud, that is quite a bad experience

Regarding a high mileage 320d LCI, if it was properly taken care of you will be fine. I sold my E90 320d LCI a few months ago with 288 xxx km and it still drove absolutely beautifully. The new owner is going on close to 300k km now with no issues

Preventative maintenance is key to keeping these vehicles reliable

I would also personally rather buy a high mileage E90 over a high mileage F30. The E90's are built a lot more solid and they definitely still look the part
 
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