E92 M3 Complete Exhaust Dyno Tested

Kivaan M-zn

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Thanx Ash and sorry about mentioning the reg! I have pm the diff tuners to see what they have to offer.
Can u clear something for me please, if I dyno my car on wheels and I make a change and it gains 10kw and if I dyno it at flywheels with the same change...will the gain still be 10kw?
 

mahinder-suresh

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///MOS1TED said:
edrich zwiers said:
I actually experienced this with my previous M3 @ between 2000rpm-2500rpm which was sorted out by Etienne van der Linde re-designing the X pipe and now also by getting rid of turbulence on the rear silencer boxes they producing more power but i see you guys already have done this.

On a back to back Dyno run in 4th gear the difference between stock and full exhaust was 1.7 seconds quicker to achieve the same rpm/speed. So meaning put your foot flat at say 3000rpm to limiter for example. This also showed on the road next to my buddies M3 stock which in performance testing before the exhaust we were running less than half a meter either way apart and after doing a rolling start in 3rd gear at 3000rpm i pulled almost 1 lampost distance out of him by 4th gear that is how much more of a difference the full pipe makes as the torque is so much better.

no offense dude are you the person that was around the Xcede Performance Center on Friday?

That M3 does not sound to good IMO. Looked as if the car was revving and not going anywhere.

Once again no offense just what i judged based on the other M3s there
I think i would have remembered seeing you there bud!:thinker:

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Sherwin@xcede

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Kivaan M-zn said:
i dont understand how it would be good that he has mods and is making 2kws more than a standard M with exhaust only:thinking:


Well 1 or 2 kw it made more. And the Xcede Exhausts are made here in Jhb. And I didn't ship any down. Which means it doesn't have our exhaust.

The wrong exhaust can lose power. Rob Green exhaust is pretty good & gains power. So I have no control on the exhaust on that car.

Which is why I said I'm happy that it made more power than a car with a good exhaust. Too many factors when you dyno.
 

M3_FTW

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Kivaan M-zn said:
Thanx Ash and sorry about mentioning the reg! I have pm the diff tuners to see what they have to offer.
Can u clear something for me please, if I dyno my car on wheels and I make a change and it gains 10kw and if I dyno it at flywheels with the same change...will the gain still be 10kw?

You have a pm
 

Sherwin@xcede

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Kivaan M-zn said:
Thanx Ash and sorry about mentioning the reg! I have pm the diff tuners to see what they have to offer.
Can u clear something for me please, if I dyno my car on wheels and I make a change and it gains 10kw and if I dyno it at flywheels with the same change...will the gain still be 10kw?

No. Flywheel gains will be more.

George Smooth said:
Rule of thumb is to take it once and it becomes a delta. Hence a run on a Hyperpower that makes 100wkw+20wkw drivetrain loss results in a 120kw flywheel reading. Fit your chip and run again 108wkw+20wkw drivetrail loss from the initial run equals 128kw. Notice the 8wkw gain and 8kw gain.

Doesn't work like that. Drivetrain loss is done on every run. You have to specifically get out the car & uncheck it. It's on by default. And the gains are also wrong. Flywheel gains are higher.

I can print these for every single car, but I'll use one example to prove the point. Here's the same 2 runs for the same car with wheel & flywheel gains:

exhkww.jpg

exhfly.jpg


Gains are 9kw vs 14kw. Which means the flywheel graph is showing a 55% better increase than the wheel graph.

And also the graph it probably looks like the coast-down losses were only done once, but they weren't. All Hyperpower graphs only show the coast down for 1 run on the graph. But they are done on every run by default. Look at the dyno after a run & it says "stop dyno" and waits for the rpm to drop before it shows the power on the screen. That's the coast-down it's doing. It always does it. You have to explicitly turn it off on a per-run basis in order not do it.

Anyway, it's a waste of time arguing about this, I think it's a given that nobody cares about flywheel power.
 

tashen

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edrich zwiers said:
None taken bud you spot on with that after 3 track days and the amount of power my M3 is pushing out it was actually going no where.lol:clap:

Hey Edrich your ride has a wild awesome rumble to it!
No where?? i thoroughly enjoyed going no where and sideways at the same time :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

George Smooth

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Sherwin@Xcede said:
George Smooth said:
Rule of thumb is to take it once and it becomes a delta. Hence a run on a Hyperpower that makes 100wkw+20wkw drivetrain loss results in a 120kw flywheel reading. Fit your chip and run again 108wkw+20wkw drivetrail loss from the initial run equals 128kw. Notice the 8wkw gain and 8kw gain.

Doesn't work like that. Drivetrain loss is done on every run. You have to specifically get out the car & uncheck it. It's on by default. And the gains are also wrong. Flywheel gains are higher.

I can print these for every single car, but I'll use one example to prove the point. Here's the same 2 runs for the same car with wheel & flywheel gains:

exhkww.jpg

exhfly.jpg


Gains are 9kw vs 14kw. Which means the flywheel graph is showing a 55% better increase than the wheel graph.

And also the graph it probably looks like the coast-down losses were only done once, but they weren't. All Hyperpower graphs only show the coast down for 1 run on the graph. But they are done on every run by default. Look at the dyno after a run & it says "stop dyno" and waits for the rpm to drop before it shows the power on the screen. That's the coast-down it's doing. It always does it. You have to explicitly turn it off on a per-run basis in order not do it.

Anyway, it's a waste of time arguing about this, I think it's a given that nobody cares about flywheel power.



Although this argument is fruitless here goes: As per hyperpower instructions the losses are calculated only once then the box is unticked. It then makes this figure however inaccurate a delta number. It the same as the gearing which is not taken on every single run but the first run only.
We should start a topic about losses being a percentage vs a fixed amount, it would be interesting to see people arguments around this.

 

Sherwin@xcede

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George Smooth said:
Although this argument is fruitless here goes: As per hyperpower instructions the losses are calculated only once then the box is unticked.

Nobody unticks it, everyone does it on every run. You know this. I can show you videos to prove it.

George Smooth said:
We should start a topic about losses being a percentage vs a fixed amount, it would be interesting to see people arguments around this.

Not much of an argument there, it's a fact. But anyway we digress. Getting off topic on our Xcede exhaust thread.
 

mahinder-suresh

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///MOS1TED said:
edrich zwiers said:
I think i would have remembered seeing you there bud!:thinker:

Sorry bud think i have you confused with someone else.

No issue bud that was cool, there were so many damn cars there i think there were 7 M3's! A awesome 335 cab dropped into the ground, a nice M5, 3 SEAT cupra's, 2 OPC Astra's, 1 OPC Corsa that is supa hot and a 135i also hot and sounded awesome. Sherwin better make a plan for some more parking before people think its a AUCTION:hammerhead:

 
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