E90 325i Turbo

tman

Well-known member
There was a guy on the forum not too long ago that was going to attempt a N54 engine swop in his car for +-R30 000 (cant remember the exact amount).

He received a lot of hate for the idea, and he has subsequently gone underground.

Personally, I say screw the haters and do it! For all we know that oke is silent because he is enjoying his engine swop and there is no time to post on forums.

#AnythingIsPossible :thumbs:
 

akash

Well-known member
Do not turbo charger the N52 engine. Like one member mentioned it’s a magnesium alloy block, they don’t like boost. That’s why the BMW engine designer slapped a set of turbos on basically what is an M54 engine that users an aluminium block and called it the N54.

My suggestion would be to transplant a N54 into your car and sell the N52 engine to recover some costs. May end up cheaper.

I have however seen an online article of a guy in Singapore that supercharged his N52
 

Miley

New member
Thank for all the interest,,, straight off the bat we have the 335 pushers....
Just kidding all input is valuable...

Putting in the N54 motor would deff be the safe route to go, on the other hand when has safe been fun. The main reason for doing this is because no1 wants to, I have spoken to lots of tuners and the story is the same, I cant find any reasons why it cant be done and it should cost much less than doing a 335 swop, so what the heck,,, guess I'll attempt it and other people wanting to do it can learn from what I have experienced.

let me try and answer as much as possible.....

Magnesium Block Strength & Stock Internals:
Yes it is less stronger than the aluminium , however based on specs should be in the safe range for what i'm trying to achieve.

Boost:
Increment to 1 bar max, based on results from tune

Injection Type:
Different option available, could change the type I will be using, looking into using m3 injectors, not that expensive.
This motor uses Port Injection and VVL appose to the n54 Direct Injection without VVL.

Money spent:
R6k -Turbonetics T4 turbo, external Waste-gate, blowoff valve,Piping and Bends
R2,5k - SMT piggyback management unit and fit
 

Miley

New member
Zach said:
11:1 compression with 1 bar boost = massive explosion. Be sure to film the dyno run.

Have you ever seen a s2000 stock motor turbo conversion? comp ratio 11.1 @ 2bar
Not saying i'm not going to run into issues, but will deal with it as we move along....

Stop throwing salt on the project,,, :eek:mgwaiting:
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Miley said:
Zach said:
11:1 compression with 1 bar boost = massive explosion. Be sure to film the dyno run.

Have you ever seen a s2000 stock motor turbo conversion? comp ratio 11.1 @ 2bar
Not saying i'm not going to run into issues, but will deal with it as we move along....

Stop throwing salt on the project,,, :eek:mgwaiting:

Forged pistons, rods and crank from the factory. This comparison makes no sense

OP its your money. Good luck. Dont go underground
 

SMRTARSX1

New member
When a project starts off with dont tell me Im wrong because Im going to do it anyway and as little money as possible for the most gain then you know you in for some good entertainment.

There are people on this forum, way more informed and knowledgeable than you, who have spent indescribable amounts of money on turbo builds and 9/10 of those cars goes pop, some several times even.

The 325i in the E90 range is a low cost, intermediate motor option for those who cannot afford the 330/335i but dont want a 320i, its a peppier 323i. The fundamentals of the motor alone should have you running - Its the fast toyota carolla motor of the E90 lineup, its reliable, its well powered and its sufficient.

None of those three things added together = What you are trying to achieve. I wish you luck, just dont ruin a good car.
 

Miley

New member
At no point have I made any of the following statements:

*This is going to work
*I know more than anyone here
*I have limited money for the project
*Im not open to suggestion (This is what i want, constructive questions not just shooting down the idea)

Yes there are many things that can go wrong and yes I said I choose to do it on a budget, but if it works and I manage to get a 20-30% increase for under 20k, dont you think other 325 owners would appreciate the RnD?

If u read the post, its about finding out if it can be done, what is needed to do it and how reliable will it be?

Nothing impressive comes out of staying in the safe zone, but if my calculations are wrong and this does go side ways, then its also a lesson learnt for anyone who owns 325
 

rsgordini

Active member
You're mad..

Only person I would ever trust with boosting a bmw would be Sav Gaulteri from Sav Speed. A conversion to turbo a e36 328i was about R250k. He gets 350wkw out of his cars as a minimum..

20 plus years experience however..

Good luck bud..
 

AshG108

///Member
Miley said:
At no point have I made any of the following statements:

*This is going to work
*I know more than anyone here
*I have limited money for the project
*Im not open to suggestion (This is what i want, constructive questions not just shooting down the idea)

Yes there are many things that can go wrong and yes I said I choose to do it on a budget, but if it works and I manage to get a 20-30% increase for under 20k, dont you think other 325 owners would appreciate the RnD?

If u read the post, its about finding out if it can be done, what is needed to do it and how reliable will it be?

Nothing impressive comes out of staying in the safe zone, but if my calculations are wrong and this does go side ways, then its also a lesson learnt for anyone who owns 325

Thats true as well, good luck dude.

i was told to not mod my Merc...heck i wanted to be different and the car sounds nice, puts decent on the tar and runs a good time and is a daily, family car that is comfy and reliable.

Go for it, you got yourself sure about it as in funds and if anything goes wrong etc. enjoy it and as guys said, just don't go underground cause this would be a great journey to follow. hell, if you boost it and 30% on it, that's wicked :thumbs:
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Miley said:
At no point have I made any of the following statements:

*This is going to work
*I know more than anyone here
*I have limited money for the project
*Im not open to suggestion (This is what i want, constructive questions not just shooting down the idea)

Yes there are many things that can go wrong and yes I said I choose to do it on a budget, but if it works and I manage to get a 20-30% increase for under 20k, dont you think other 325 owners would appreciate the RnD?

If u read the post, its about finding out if it can be done, what is needed to do it and how reliable will it be?

Nothing impressive comes out of staying in the safe zone, but if my calculations are wrong and this does go side ways, then its also a lesson learnt for anyone who owns 325

It can be done, but you are trying something that isn't being done widely despite the platform existing for ages now... not because it cannot be done, or people are lazy/dumb/not taking chances etc. It isn't being done for a reason. The most obvious reason being as you pointed out a 335i now costs 160-200K. Your car is worth 60-70K.

Just the turbo kit (manifold, turbo, boost piping, wastegate/s, BOV, downpipe, standalone boost controller depending on your ECU) is going to cost a fair bit if you do it properly (unless you constantly want to be changing turbos anyway and pick a cheapie). Then you have injectors (or even rail and regulator changes) charge cooler/intercooler and having to hack up bits of the bumper, plastic, air guides etc of the car (and repaint potentially) to get this done properly. At this point your R60-70K car is quite literally unsellable.

Then there is management... You are then going to do a piggyback or standalone ECU... these might result in you losing features, being locked into a tuner that charges you a ton of money for every change, not having safeties built in (even simple knock, IAT, EGT) being talked into garbage... you may end up spending 7.5-15K multiple times on this alone... if your build doesn't break from using one of these and bet your bottom dollar the tuner will blame your build or internals even if it is not related...

Exhaust, brakes, gearbox, diff, clutch, sideshafts... all of these will require changing... and most will break if you get to making proper power. Depending on power when you eventually get a build that has not broken and starts to make proper power, then there are gearbox mounts... diff mounts... engine mounts...

ALL THE ASSOCIATED LABOUR if you are not doing it yourself... which it doesn't sound like you will be able to do from your post...

All these items you want to add and then perform R&D on are things that come with your 335i that you can add a JB4 to or load software onto and retain every single one of your creature comforts. If you spend 200K on a 335i and then another 50K on preventative maintenance you are STILL going to be ahead of trying to create this...

Once you start playing with a car to the degree you are proposing, nothing is cheap or easy or reliable. Any one of those things above going wrong will result in a high 5 figure repair bill (at this point the car is basically scrap anyway). Any 'saving' vs. a 335i is only in your imagination I am afraid and I feel quite confident saying that. You get to 250kw and then what? There are 335s here in SA (and on this forum) making more wheel horsepower and torque than my V8TT M5... Those 'haters' who are sending you the 335i route don't sound so idiotic anymore?

When companies put these kits together, it isn't some magical Pure or AMS or Cosworth goodness or luck that makes them work reasonably reliably. Many motors and parts are tested to failure. You want to take on this R&D yourself on platform where people are directly telling you that the block metallurgy itself is unsuitable... and which doesn't have the strength or extra balancing of internals required for what you want of it regardless of all the factors I mentioned.

How do you expect to do this for R20K?
 

Nick

Honorary ///Member
Look bro, we are not throwing salt on your build, its just that we have seen it all on this forum and there are guys on here that have built cars with massive budgets so they know all the ins and outs.

@nikhil has spent a few hundred thousand on a boost build and the car is still not going cause the correct parts need to be used.

At the end of the day if you want a faster car, buy one.
A 335i and a JB as Llew said would be a WAAAAAAY better move.

You came here to ask our opinion, we are the pro's for this brand so if we have things to say its probably wise advice...
 

Zach

Active member
This guy...asks for the community's thoughts on his "pie in the sky" idea, gets angry at the wise feedback given...

Do you actually want feedback or were you just looking for a pat on the back for attempting something we see as foolish?
 

zakes27

New member
respect Miley, i would really love to see this. according to research these motors can be charged on standard internals, however be careful, excited to see the results!
 

yush1

Active member
If I was getting advise like this before I start this project, I would thank my lucky stars that some told me before I got started and say thank you. :=):
 

Miley

New member
:fencelook:

This seems to be going the wrong way, I’m not upset nor am I ignoring the advise given.

Not looking for any pat on the back, just thought it would be something interesting to share
 

TBP88

Well-known member
I suppose it comes down to your aims. If you're hoping to get something driveable in short term for low cost. Then you're wasting your time, as indicated. this will cost a LOT more than you expect (like not just double, we're talking 3-4-5 times as much).

If your aim is to not care about dosh and just learn how to do insane stuff on cars, then yeah, go ahead.

But at the end of the day your 325iTurbo will still get shredded by a stock 335, and absolutely melted by a 335 with even the lightest of mods.

And you'd likely have spent similar money (if not a substantial amount more).
 
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