E60 M5 - whats your take please?

[Whacko]

I have the M6 and I love it - fuel is heavy but decent on highways. Not sure how similar a car it is to the M5 in terms of the engine and GB

They are the same, however, M6's seem to be more reliable. It could also be due to the fact that a lot fewer M6's were sold hence not hearing about their issues.

I heard that there were less issues thats why I questioned the similarity...and yes you make a good point

crossing fingers that I have no issues, but have peace of mind as its still in MP and just to confirm my stance, I wont buy these type of cars (M3, M5, M6, x35's) without MP

Just remember, the power from the M6 and M5 is way higher than the others, so you have to respect that, because if you drive to break it, you will.
Care for beast, and it will reward you with addiction :thumbs:

 

[M3_FTW]

I have the M6 and I love it - fuel is heavy but decent on highways. Not sure how similar a car it is to the M5 in terms of the engine and GB

They are the same, however, M6's seem to be more reliable. It could also be due to the fact that a lot fewer M6's were sold hence not hearing about their issues.

I heard that there were less issues thats why I questioned the similarity...and yes you make a good point

crossing fingers that I have no issues, but have peace of mind as its still in MP and just to confirm my stance, I wont buy these type of cars (M3, M5, M6, x35's) without MP

Just remember, the power from the M6 and M5 is way higher than the others, so you have to respect that, because if you drive to break it, you will.
Care for beast, and it will reward you with addiction :thumbs:

Mate thats like saying "oops I cant drive my Ferrari 458 to its max because its powerful and I might break something"

I drive cars how they are meant to be driven, the M5 was marketed as a sedan with supercar performance, it should be driven as such.

I redline my M3 all the time and have never had issues with it.

 

[///Shaun]

Come on guys lets keep it clean , each person will always have different opinions about different cars. Everyone is not the same hence different needs and different driving style and so forth. Im not agreeing or dis-agreeing , all im saying is lets be civil.

:fencelook:

 

[M3_FTW]

Who was not being civil ? we having a discussion

 

[Whacko]

I have the M6 and I love it - fuel is heavy but decent on highways. Not sure how similar a car it is to the M5 in terms of the engine and GB

They are the same, however, M6's seem to be more reliable. It could also be due to the fact that a lot fewer M6's were sold hence not hearing about their issues.

I heard that there were less issues thats why I questioned the similarity...and yes you make a good point

crossing fingers that I have no issues, but have peace of mind as its still in MP and just to confirm my stance, I wont buy these type of cars (M3, M5, M6, x35's) without MP

Just remember, the power from the M6 and M5 is way higher than the others, so you have to respect that, because if you drive to break it, you will.
Care for beast, and it will reward you with addiction :thumbs:

Mate thats like saying "oops I cant drive my Ferrari 458 to its max because its powerful and I might break something"

I drive cars how they are meant to be driven, the M5 was marketed as a sedan with supercar performance, it should be driven as such.

I redline my M3 all the time and have never had issues with it.

I redline mine as well, all the time :thumbs: but saying break is to be a hooligan, don't need to explain the concept now do I? By the way, when I fetched the M from service they were busy with a E92 engine, and the techi told me it wasn't the first either.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

opcorn:

 

[M3_FTW]

They are the same, however, M6's seem to be more reliable. It could also be due to the fact that a lot fewer M6's were sold hence not hearing about their issues.

I heard that there were less issues thats why I questioned the similarity...and yes you make a good point

crossing fingers that I have no issues, but have peace of mind as its still in MP and just to confirm my stance, I wont buy these type of cars (M3, M5, M6, x35's) without MP

Just remember, the power from the M6 and M5 is way higher than the others, so you have to respect that, because if you drive to break it, you will.
Care for beast, and it will reward you with addiction :thumbs:

Mate thats like saying "oops I cant drive my Ferrari 458 to its max because its powerful and I might break something"

I drive cars how they are meant to be driven, the M5 was marketed as a sedan with supercar performance, it should be driven as such.

I redline my M3 all the time and have never had issues with it.

I redline mine as well, all the time :thumbs: but saying break is to be a hooligan, don't need to explain the concept now do I? By the way, when I fetched the M from service they were busy with a E92 engine, and the techi told me it wasn't the first either.

Strange as globally there have been very few failures. All you need to do is google E60 M5 issues :=):

 

[Whacko]

Come on guys lets keep it clean , each person will always have different opinions about different cars. Everyone is not the same hence different needs and different driving style and so forth. Im not agreeing or dis-agreeing , all im saying is lets be civil.

:fencelook:

Rather drive a M5 than an M3 :tease:

Just joking. As I said, different strokes for different folks.
Shaun, in the end its your decision, I can vouch for the M5, it is iconic and epic.

 

[M3_FTW]

Come on guys lets keep it clean , each person will always have different opinions about different cars. Everyone is not the same hence different needs and different driving style and so forth. Im not agreeing or dis-agreeing , all im saying is lets be civil.

:fencelook:

Rather drive a M5 than an M3 :tease:

Just joking. As I said, different strokes for different folks.
Shaun, in the end its your decision, I can vouch for the M5, it is iconic and epic.

No one said it wasnt epic, I loved it (when it worked) I am glad I owned one but all I am trying to allude to is dont go into it thinking that they are the epitome of reliability.

 

[Whacko]

How does this grab you http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439844
opcorn: :tease:

 

[M3_FTW]

How does this grab you http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439844
opcorn: :tease:

Lol, few and very very far between.

But look here

M5 - Epitome of reliable motoring

 

[Whacko]

How does this grab you http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439844
opcorn: :tease:

Lol, few and very very far between.

But look here

M5 - Epitome of reliable motoring

Don't want to look :nono:

 

[Dbecks07]

Hahaha Whacko and M3_FTW - you guys make good points and I think the individual will have to make the choice as he/she will have to live with it and blame no one else - I like the advice on the cars that you give and I just wanna say thanks (makes me feel good about what I bought):thumbs:

 

[Clownshoe]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

 

[SP33DYV]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

Because it is not. The engine failures are related to an oil level sensor that goes faulty. These engines do not have a dip-stick and you need the oil level sensor to check the oil level. These sensors fail prematurely and do not let you know that you need to add oil. To top it off, these engines are known to use oil as they are high revving. So before you know it, you run the engine without oil and it runs bearings.

Second thing is that it eats the clutch. Every single one I had a look at, has a comment on M/P that the clutch has been replaced. I think it's due to the fact that it pulls away in 2nd gear when in fully automatic mode.

Thirdly, the SMG system can give you endless trouble. If that's the case, you probably going to have to replace the SMG hydraulic pump... :dropjaw: $$$$$$.

My 2 cents.

Use it, don't use it...

Still an amazing car!:inlove:

 

[Whacko]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

I appreciate your input but can you list some references.

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What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

I appreciate your input but can you list some references.

Speak to Walter at Forsdicks, he says he has never heard of one failure .of the oil sensor.
:thumbs:

 

[SP33DYV]

Phone Jacques Hayes at Auto Bavaria Midrand. He will tell you some horror stories.

But, I still believe if you treat it with respect, it will look after you as well.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...ssion/173464-oil-level-indicator-problem.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...scussion/207337-oil-level-sensor-warning.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6.../65569-failed-oil-level-sensor-300-miles.html

The moral of the story is, if the oil level doesn't change, the sensor id probably faulty.

 

[Whacko]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

Because it is not. The engine failures are related to an oil level sensor that goes faulty. These engines do not have a dip-stick and you need the oil level sensor to check the oil level. These sensors fail prematurely and do not let you know that you need to add oil. To top it off, these engines are known to use oil as they are high revving. So before you know it, you run the engine without oil and it runs bearings.

Second thing is that it eats the clutch. Every single one I had a look at, has a comment on M/P that the clutch has been replaced. I think it's due to the fact that it pulls away in 2nd gear when in fully automatic mode.

Thirdly, the SMG system can give you endless trouble. If that's the case, you probably going to have to replace the SMG hydraulic pump... :dropjaw: $$$$$$.

My 2 cents.

Use it, don't use it...

Still an amazing car!:inlove:

The clutch issue is a weak spot but proper understanding of the mechanics involved will eliminate it. Don't creep on the clutch, I know it's a bitch in slow traffic, but I leave a gap and then pull away so the clutch engages fully. In essence it would boil down to the same when people ride their clutches in slow traffic with manual gearboxes.

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Phone Jacques Hayes at Auto Bavaria Midrand. He will tell you some horror stories.

But, I still believe if you treat it with respect, it will look after you as well.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...ssion/173464-oil-level-indicator-problem.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...scussion/207337-oil-level-sensor-warning.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6.../65569-failed-oil-level-sensor-300-miles.html

The moral of the story is, if the oil level doesn't change, the sensor id probably faulty.

None of those references point to blown motors due to sensor issues.

 

[M3_FTW]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

Because it is not. The engine failures are related to an oil level sensor that goes faulty. These engines do not have a dip-stick and you need the oil level sensor to check the oil level. These sensors fail prematurely and do not let you know that you need to add oil. To top it off, these engines are known to use oil as they are high revving. So before you know it, you run the engine without oil and it runs bearings.

Second thing is that it eats the clutch. Every single one I had a look at, has a comment on M/P that the clutch has been replaced. I think it's due to the fact that it pulls away in 2nd gear when in fully automatic mode.

Thirdly, the SMG system can give you endless trouble. If that's the case, you probably going to have to replace the SMG hydraulic pump... :dropjaw: $$$$$$.

My 2 cents.

Use it, don't use it...

Still an amazing car!:inlove:

The clutch issue is a weak spot but proper understanding of the mechanics involved will eliminate it. Don't creep on the clutch, I know it's a bitch in slow traffic, but I leave a gap and then pull away so the clutch engages fully. In essence it would boil down to the same when people ride their clutches in slow traffic with manual gearboxes.

---

Phone Jacques Hayes at Auto Bavaria Midrand. He will tell you some horror stories.

But, I still believe if you treat it with respect, it will look after you as well.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...ssion/173464-oil-level-indicator-problem.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...scussion/207337-oil-level-sensor-warning.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6.../65569-failed-oil-level-sensor-300-miles.html

The moral of the story is, if the oil level doesn't change, the sensor id probably faulty.

None of those references point to blown motors due to sensor issues.

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Go past JSN today, they have an E60 M5 in the workshop with a blown engine. Apparently it had an electrical problem, you know they type, when the rod comes through the block and takes out the alternator :=):

The clutch on my M5 was replaced at 71 000kms, after that I had endless shit with SMG pumps (replaced twice at 40k a pop), SMG electronics, Clutch chatter (clutch replaced again). Just checked my MP invoices, in 7 months it went through 2 SMG pumps and 2 clutches plus a few other things. 132k in 7 months Speak to George Smooth, I think his M5 had over R300 000 worth of MP work before he sold it.

 

[Whacko]

What strikes me is the number of e60 M5s for sale that list having had a new engine under motorplan. Where there is smoke there is fire and I doubt that all the fuss is not based on some fact. The fact being that the gearboxes and engines have an above average failure rate... and at the price of a new engine or gearbox it makes owning one a large risk.

I have certainly never heard of anyone referring to the e60 M5 as bullet proof.

Because it is not. The engine failures are related to an oil level sensor that goes faulty. These engines do not have a dip-stick and you need the oil level sensor to check the oil level. These sensors fail prematurely and do not let you know that you need to add oil. To top it off, these engines are known to use oil as they are high revving. So before you know it, you run the engine without oil and it runs bearings.

Second thing is that it eats the clutch. Every single one I had a look at, has a comment on M/P that the clutch has been replaced. I think it's due to the fact that it pulls away in 2nd gear when in fully automatic mode.

Thirdly, the SMG system can give you endless trouble. If that's the case, you probably going to have to replace the SMG hydraulic pump... :dropjaw: $$$$$$.

My 2 cents.

Use it, don't use it...

Still an amazing car!:inlove:

The clutch issue is a weak spot but proper understanding of the mechanics involved will eliminate it. Don't creep on the clutch, I know it's a bitch in slow traffic, but I leave a gap and then pull away so the clutch engages fully. In essence it would boil down to the same when people ride their clutches in slow traffic with manual gearboxes.

---

Phone Jacques Hayes at Auto Bavaria Midrand. He will tell you some horror stories.

But, I still believe if you treat it with respect, it will look after you as well.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...ssion/173464-oil-level-indicator-problem.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...scussion/207337-oil-level-sensor-warning.html
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6.../65569-failed-oil-level-sensor-300-miles.html

The moral of the story is, if the oil level doesn't change, the sensor id probably faulty.

None of those references point to blown motors due to sensor issues.

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Go past JSN today, they have an E60 M5 in the workshop with a blown engine. Apparently it had an electrical problem, you know they type, when the rod comes through the block and takes out the alternator :=):

The clutch on my M5 was replaced at 71 000kms, after that I had endless shit with SMG pumps (replaced twice at 40k a pop), SMG electronics, Clutch chatter (clutch replaced again). Just checked my MP invoices, in 7 months it went through 2 SMG pumps and 2 clutches plus a few other things. 132k in 7 months Speak to George Smooth, I think his M5 had over R300 000 worth of MP work before he sold it.

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Don't you making me sad :nonono:
If you miss the M5 you welcome to come for a drive in mine. Just no LC from every stop street and traffic lights please ::rollsmile: