e46 M3 vs F87 M2 (onboard video of clocks)

dvst8

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Xack

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What is fight about now again...We all know true n/a M-cars have souls...but these new turbo-charged//M range, these are jus possessed and run the straight line like demons, no comparison, maybe think of the e46 M3 as a finely crafted sword, perfect and in every way,but relying heavily on the skill level of the user to get the maximum result, the new //M series is more of a prescission weapon, design to hit the target over and over and over again...they are easier to drive fast the only category I think the e46 can maybe compete in is drive feel and some awesome exhaust note, 8000rpm thrills the rest cannot be compared.

Oh to hell with reason and overwhelming facts, the e46 is faster:=):..... and if we still doing the test, i'll be filming the race from the front:rollsmile:
 

dvst8

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Xack said:
Oh to hell with reason and overwhelming facts, the e46 is faster:=):..... and if we still doing the test, i'll be filming the race from the front:rollsmile:


Only way is to put u in a JB4 x35i then !

:roflol:
 

adamr

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Reese130 said:
NavZ said:
Let me play devil's advocate here...

I'd love an M2 but it's not that special by ///M standards.
It doesn't have an S engine and not much differentiating it from an M235i. (It's still an N55)
Yes it's faster, tweaked chassis/engine/suspension/brakes etc but it's still missing the ///M soul, the racing pedigree.
It's a great car and a great BMW but what a lot of people are trying to get at is that it is not a great ///M when comparing it to ///M's in their prime.
When the s54 M3 came out there wasn't much out there that could compete. Years later it was still a benchmark... THE car to beat.

Rumours of an M2 GTS/CSL are still circulating and if one appeared with an s55 (as the M2 should've), it will be more desirable.
Problem is, it'll probably cost just under R2m and have extremely limited numbers.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love an M2 & I even prefer that chassis/shape to the M4.
However, in 10 years, if I were to pick between my car (s54 Z4M) and the M2, I'd pick the Z4M.
It's special, different, unique. The last of its kind.
(In 10 years the Z4M will probably be about the same as the M2 anyway and before you say I'm delusional, look at the price of a clean M Coupe vs an E92 M3)

To summarise, if I could afford an M2 I'd buy one, as a second car, not as a replacement.
The Z4M I'd never want to sell, the M2 I'd upgrade a few years later.

PS. At the end of the day, this thread is filled with a bunch of passionate gear heads. Calm down, we all love BMW, no need to get upset.

Sorry but your so wrong it's actually making me laugh.
Your story about s54 and s55's making a car an M car and have soul is a laugh.
Saying that an M2 is basically an M235 with tweaked suspension etc just shows how little you know about an M2 and that you definitely haven't driven one.
The components of the engine, the brakes, the suspension and and and and and and all come from the M4.
Just about every reviewer has said how amazing it is to drive and how they would choose it over any M car because it's a return to the "BMW M Soul" that you keep going on claiming it doesn't have.
The 1M was born and bred on exactly the same principles as the M2. It also doesn't have an S engine. Are you now going to tell us the 1M also doesn't have "Soul"

Please go and read up on all the technical M side of the M2 and then read how all the journalists are praising the M Ness (Omf I'm tired of saying and reading M Ness and M soul) then maybe drive one when it's possible and then come back and give us an educated unbiased comment. The M2 is a full on M not even close to its M235i sibling. I still own both cars, I think I would know.
You love your M coupe, awesome, I've always loved them to, they are wicked cars but sorry guy you have a made an opinion on a car without driving it or knowing the facts of its underpinnings in detail.


I also thought a 1M was a supped 135i. Boy was I wrong... M cars are about the chassis. The 1M is arguably one of the best M cars around. Now I want an M2 and guess can't get one yet and I'm sure it's everything the 1M is and more

E46 M3 versus M2. Come on guys why not start comparing the 325is to the E46 M3? All these M cars have different characters. It's unfair to compare the two. Yes newer cars in general are more clinical. But hell I'd love an M2 and heck I would not mind an e46 m3 again.

Given the choice which would I choose.... The M2. Something new something different. Its like having that 36 year old milf and along comes this 22 year old lingerie model.


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ZMC

Banned
Reese130 said:
Spiro said:
Did anyone read my post about not giving a crap ....


I said the x35's are faster... I have driven one or 3... Do I care... nope...

Yes we can talk about soul... Blah blah... I like my car... You like your car...

I have what's required to enjoy my life... You have the same...


Keep in mind... The right car in the right hands can be fast...

The right car in the wrong hands can go horribly

And in some cases the wrong car in the right hands can surprise you...


If you want to test vbox and other telemetry shit... You don't need to run side by side... Or see which car gets off the line quicker...

The vbox records the data and then u go compare...

I'm actually surprised with all the "racers" on this post not one bit of common sense is applied

@Reese ... I don't know you bud... Congrats on the car.... But how about giving the slightest bit of respect for someone else's opinion ? You cannot tell them that they are plain down wrong...

Thanks for the congrats, appreciate it.
When people are telling you that your car doesn't have soul and is less of an M when they haven't even driven the car I find that slightly more offensive than telling someone their opinion is wrong. Sorry but I'm not gonna respect someone's opinion when they disrespecting me (indirectly) by tuning shit about a car that they haven't experienced based on emotion.

Offended? over a car? who the hell cares if someone else likes or hates your car. If you happy with it, good for you. If you base it on someone else's opinion, rather take public transport.
 

Gizmo

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Wow, 7pages of bickering...
I fail to see a point in comparing 2 cars built 15 years apart. Sure the newer car will be faster and more economical, else it wouldn't sell.
Looking at the specs the M2 has more power and torque and weighs almost the same so power to weight ratio the M2 has it in the bag whether a race happens at the coast or at altitude. If a E46 M3 were ever to beat a M2 then it would be down to user error on the M2 part, the end.
 

VictorMike

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adamr said:
Its like having that 36 year old milf and along comes this 22 year old lingerie model.

The 36 year old knows what to do to make you smile from ear to ear, the 22 year old is merely nice to look at... ;)
 

325iSmk2

Banned
VukMiler said:
adamr said:
Its like having that 36 year old milf and along comes this 22 year old lingerie model.

The 36 year old knows what to do to make you smile from ear to ear, the 22 year old is merely nice to look at... ;)


Is that what people stuck with 36 year olds tell themselves to make them feel better? :D
 

VictorMike

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325iSmk2 said:
Is that what people stuck with 36 year olds tell themselves to make them feel better? :D

It's what people who have experience know.

[joke]
Whats the difference between a 22 year old and a washing machine?

The washing machine doesn't follow you around for 2 weeks after you dump your load in it.
[/joke]
 

Kimeran

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Lagwagon said:
For a lot of purists the naturally aspirated M cars will still be the ultimate. With the new generation of M cars a new generation of purists are born. A few years from now, guys like Reese will be having this discussion with a new generation of purists, possibly arguing electric cars are the best thing since sliced bread...

I for one, love the S54 and S85 engines, bearing problems and all. It's all about the noise...

The M2 is a beautiful looking car, but I would take my M Coupe over that any day. :coolShake:

The most accurate post so far :thumbs:
 

Lagwagon

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Gizmo said:
Wow, 7pages of bickering...
I fail to see a point in comparing 2 cars built 15 years apart. Sure the newer car will be faster and more economical, else it wouldn't sell.
Looking at the specs the M2 has more power and torque and weighs almost the same so power to weight ratio the M2 has it in the bag whether a race happens at the coast or at altitude. If a E46 M3 were ever to beat a M2 then it would be down to user error on the M2 part, the end.


:withStu:

Same goes for a bone stock 125i destroying an E46 M3, probably user error on the E46 M3 part...:sorry:

The comparisons are everywhere though. Both are icons of their time, so it is inevitable. Good read this:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/02/23/why-the-bmw-m2-is-and-isnt-the-bmw-e46-m3/
 
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