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e46 M3 vs F87 M2 (onboard video of clocks)
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NavZ
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Let me play devil's advocate here...
I'd love an M2 but it's not that special by ///M standards.
It doesn't have an S engine and not much differentiating it from an M235i. (It's still an N55)
Yes it's faster, tweaked chassis/engine/suspension/brakes etc but it's still missing the ///M soul, the racing pedigree.
It's a great car and a great BMW but what a lot of people are trying to get at is that it is not a great ///M when comparing it to ///M's in their prime.
When the s54 M3 came out there wasn't much out there that could compete. Years later it was still a benchmark... THE car to beat.
Rumours of an M2 GTS/CSL are still circulating and if one appeared with an s55 (as the M2 should've), it will be more desirable.
Problem is, it'll probably cost just under R2m and have extremely limited numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love an M2 & I even prefer that chassis/shape to the M4.
However, in 10 years, if I were to pick between my car (s54 Z4M) and the M2, I'd pick the Z4M.
It's special, different, unique. The last of its kind.
(In 10 years the Z4M will probably be about the same as the M2 anyway and before you say I'm delusional, look at the price of a clean M Coupe vs an E92 M3)
To summarise, if I could afford an M2 I'd buy one, as a second car, not as a replacement.
The Z4M I'd never want to sell, the M2 I'd upgrade a few years later.
PS. At the end of the day, this thread is filled with a bunch of passionate gear heads. Calm down, we all love BMW, no need to get upset.
I'd love an M2 but it's not that special by ///M standards.
It doesn't have an S engine and not much differentiating it from an M235i. (It's still an N55)
Yes it's faster, tweaked chassis/engine/suspension/brakes etc but it's still missing the ///M soul, the racing pedigree.
It's a great car and a great BMW but what a lot of people are trying to get at is that it is not a great ///M when comparing it to ///M's in their prime.
When the s54 M3 came out there wasn't much out there that could compete. Years later it was still a benchmark... THE car to beat.
Rumours of an M2 GTS/CSL are still circulating and if one appeared with an s55 (as the M2 should've), it will be more desirable.
Problem is, it'll probably cost just under R2m and have extremely limited numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love an M2 & I even prefer that chassis/shape to the M4.
However, in 10 years, if I were to pick between my car (s54 Z4M) and the M2, I'd pick the Z4M.
It's special, different, unique. The last of its kind.
(In 10 years the Z4M will probably be about the same as the M2 anyway and before you say I'm delusional, look at the price of a clean M Coupe vs an E92 M3)
To summarise, if I could afford an M2 I'd buy one, as a second car, not as a replacement.
The Z4M I'd never want to sell, the M2 I'd upgrade a few years later.
PS. At the end of the day, this thread is filled with a bunch of passionate gear heads. Calm down, we all love BMW, no need to get upset.
NavZ said:
Sorry but your so wrong it's actually making me laugh.
Your story about s54 and s55's making a car an M car and have soul is a laugh.
Saying that an M2 is basically an M235 with tweaked suspension etc just shows how little you know about an M2 and that you definitely haven't driven one.
The components of the engine, the brakes, the suspension and and and and and and all come from the M4.
Just about every reviewer has said how amazing it is to drive and how they would choose it over any M car because it's a return to the "BMW M Soul" that you keep going on claiming it doesn't have.
The 1M was born and bred on exactly the same principles as the M2. It also doesn't have an S engine. Are you now going to tell us the 1M also doesn't have "Soul"
Please go and read up on all the technical M side of the M2 and then read how all the journalists are praising the M Ness (Omf I'm tired of saying and reading M Ness and M soul) then maybe drive one when it's possible and then come back and give us an educated unbiased comment. The M2 is a full on M not even close to its M235i sibling. I still own both cars, I think I would know.
You love your M coupe, awesome, I've always loved them to, they are wicked cars but sorry guy you have a made an opinion on a car without driving it or knowing the facts of its underpinnings in detail.
Did anyone read my post about not giving a crap ....
I said the x35's are faster... I have driven one or 3... Do I care... nope...
Yes we can talk about soul... Blah blah... I like my car... You like your car...
I have what's required to enjoy my life... You have the same...
Keep in mind... The right car in the right hands can be fast...
The right car in the wrong hands can go horribly
And in some cases the wrong car in the right hands can surprise you...
If you want to test vbox and other telemetry shit... You don't need to run side by side... Or see which car gets off the line quicker...
The vbox records the data and then u go compare...
I'm actually surprised with all the "racers" on this post not one bit of common sense is applied
@Reese ... I don't know you bud... Congrats on the car.... But how about giving the slightest bit of respect for someone else's opinion ? You cannot tell them that they are plain down wrong...
I said the x35's are faster... I have driven one or 3... Do I care... nope...
Yes we can talk about soul... Blah blah... I like my car... You like your car...
I have what's required to enjoy my life... You have the same...
Keep in mind... The right car in the right hands can be fast...
The right car in the wrong hands can go horribly
And in some cases the wrong car in the right hands can surprise you...
If you want to test vbox and other telemetry shit... You don't need to run side by side... Or see which car gets off the line quicker...
The vbox records the data and then u go compare...
I'm actually surprised with all the "racers" on this post not one bit of common sense is applied
@Reese ... I don't know you bud... Congrats on the car.... But how about giving the slightest bit of respect for someone else's opinion ? You cannot tell them that they are plain down wrong...
Spiro said:
Thanks for the congrats, appreciate it.
When people are telling you that your car doesn't have soul and is less of an M when they haven't even driven the car I find that slightly more offensive than telling someone their opinion is wrong. Sorry but I'm not gonna respect someone's opinion when they disrespecting me (indirectly) by tuning shit about a car that they haven't experienced based on emotion.
That the M2 us faster than the E46 M3 is a fact. On every strip, on every track, that can't be disputed. Power advantage of the M2 is only around 30hp while the weights of the two cars are about the same so I'm not sure why people expected a huge margin.
Opinions of which car has more soul or spirit or whatever are so subjective that discussing them is pointless.
Opinions of which car has more soul or spirit or whatever are so subjective that discussing them is pointless.
RAArmstrong
///Member
Everyone is allowed an opinion. Let's try and respect them. My opinion is that my diesel has more soul that all your M cars anyway :biglol:
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i suppose it also comes down to theater hey...
yep, there have been a few points that have been made about heart and soul of our beloved cars... i'll still accept that an x35 stock or tuned is still a very fast brilliant car...
but think of it this way... approach a person from the Spin City crew..
offer them..
An e46, e36 or and e30... then rate over some theatrics... none ... believe me NONE.... of the above mentioned cars will every come close to the theatrics that are provided by an e30...
similarly(i'm not saying the same).... i like my car for the theater it brings me.... note i'm not saying faster or slower.. but also keeping into regard what ideals it has for me... bearing in mind the age gap between the 2 cars.. as one of the posters has mentioned... not bad for an 2001 to produce the power it did...
yep, there have been a few points that have been made about heart and soul of our beloved cars... i'll still accept that an x35 stock or tuned is still a very fast brilliant car...
but think of it this way... approach a person from the Spin City crew..
offer them..
An e46, e36 or and e30... then rate over some theatrics... none ... believe me NONE.... of the above mentioned cars will every come close to the theatrics that are provided by an e30...
similarly(i'm not saying the same).... i like my car for the theater it brings me.... note i'm not saying faster or slower.. but also keeping into regard what ideals it has for me... bearing in mind the age gap between the 2 cars.. as one of the posters has mentioned... not bad for an 2001 to produce the power it did...
dvst8
///Member
Spiro said:
Now, this is a sane post
raise:As Ive said before, the E46 M is legendary. At its time it was the ultimate. But that was back then.
It is absolutely senseless comparing it to and M car that has 16 years of development and technological advantage over it.
Head to head, the M2 is a better car all round. Individually, they are both just as awesome.
I got 3 words for you chaps....Gee Tee Eye...
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