E46 M3 - Advice

LordPhoenix

New member
Hey Fellas,

So I've fallen madly inlove with the E46 M3, personally think its the most beautiful and complete of all the M3 model (E36 M3 is a very close second)

But wanted some advice from guys who've actually owned one,

Whats the best year model for these cars, I see a lot of 2001 - 2003 models for under R200k, but then find 2004-2005 models go for R250k, whats the difference, besides the year model.

Also whats the rough maintenance costs of an M3.

Is SMG really that bad?

I just missed out on the one at Bruma Nissan, :argh:

Thanks Guys
 

BillyBob

Active member
E46 M3 is epic indeed..

First off - check a few cars before committing... Don't just buy a dog because you want an M3 - you'll regret it later.

A few cliff notes when shopping for 4-piper M3's:

Facelift in July/August 2003 - which updated a few cosmetics and small items - most notable visual cue being LED tail light clusters.

Pre facelift M3's had a bearing weakness - lots of trips to 8000 RPM's would see a knocking bearing and most often a scored crank. BMW replaced bearings or entire engines under motor plan at customer's request - however, it wasn't an official recall, so there's a chance an early model hasn't had it done. Check the records - if there's no record or mention of bearing or engine replacement, and you still want the car - get it checked out for knocks before buying and get the bearing replacement done - should be about a R5-6k job at Tunetech or similar.

That issue and the perception around it explains the larger than normal price differential between Pre- and post-facelift M3's.

Also - 01-02 models had a list price point of around R365000, whereas by 2004, the M3 list price had rocketed up to somewhere around R540 000, so later models have a skewed depreciation curve.

01's didn't have a strut brace over the engine, 02+ models did.

SMG isn't bad, I actually love SMG, but it's not to everyone's taste... Also, it makes for a lot more that could go wrong with the car - SMG pump failures, stuck gears, solenoids clonking out, clutches wearing prematurely due to bad software or clutch adaptation procedures, etc.. If you don't have a good independent mechanic who knows SMG intimately, that you're on very good terms with, I'd rather recommend going for a manual model.
 

BillyBob

Active member
Also, a few tips...

No service history, no sale - period. It's an expensive motor to rebuild - you simply do not want one that's had a palookah beat the snot out of it and not service it regularly. Confirm a claimed recent service by checking the air filter - if it's filthy, RUN, because you have no idea what else the guy is lying about as well.

Check the oil cap for sludging - if it has any significant deposits, walk away.

Ask the guy what oil he used outside of motor plan - if the reply is anything other than Castrol TWS or Royal Purple, walk away - Edge Sport 10W60 is also an option, but ultimately needs shorter service intervals than TWS.

Check for knocking from suspension components in the front - control arm bushings are weak and wear out quickly. Same goes for rear trailing arm bushings.

Gearbox is notchy, but should be smooth and have a tight shift pattern. If there's slop on the lever, you're in for shift bushings and possibly the linkage.

If any of the gears grind the synchromesh or pop out (3rd and 4th especially), you know it's been shifted like a numpty and most likely raced like a hooligan. Not a deal killer if the car's been fastidiously maintained otherwise, but prepare for a hefty bill to recondition the box - negotiate the price accordingly.

Lift up the carpets around the rear struts in the boot and inspect - a lot of hard launches or sideways action will cause the subframe to tear. Bonus if it has already been reinforced by BMW (another unofficial recall point locally) but an aftermarket "patch job" would need to be assessed by a good bodyshop.

Check for accident damage or resprays - if the guy tries to hide or deny it, steer clear.

Also, do the necessary legwork - get the car to an expert and have them do a full set of diagnostics, check motorplan for comments, etc. Check performance - Vanos isn't particularly problematic on the S54, but can still fail - same goes for limp mode issues, busted cam sensors, O2's, or MAFs.. If you're not familiar with how an M3 should feel and run, Get the car dyno'ed for peace of mind.. If it makes 175 kW+ at the wheels in Gauteng with no weird dips in the torque curve, chances are she's healthy with no wonky sensors or whatever.

And bear in mind that unless there's a very good reason like a kid on the way or an upgrade to a new M3 or Z4M, C63 or a similar car, there isn't really a good reason for someone to sell an M3 - unless they're facing repair bills or an imminent failure, and want to make it someone else's problem. So while it seems like a nasty thing to say, always treat an M3 sale with suspicion.

Think about it - they're not terribly heavy on fuel, very light if driven sensibly in fact, so unless the guy has a new job requiring 3000+ km a month of travel, that's a bullsh*t excuse.

If he complains about maintenance costs, you already have an indication that he may have cut corners in the past.. Etc etc.

Also check for worn brakes and an old clutch - negotiate your price based on these points, as both are expensive items for you to replace.

Hope that helps.
 

Crash_Nemesis

///Member
I was about to say exactly what Billybob said. I had to rebuild my M3 engine. Not cheap at all.

So... listen to his advice.
 

Crash_Nemesis

///Member
Replaced Exhaust Cam, replaced entire head, replaced all valves with Forged Racing Valves, Replaced Piston 6. Remember, my Engine is not a stock M3 Engine, all my internals are racing forged parts. So they cost a little more.

upwards of R50k to rebuild.
 

kabal

Active member
I would be never in a million years buy an M3 from someone who used the words "Castrol Edge Sport 10W60" as the answer to "what oil did you use?"
 

BillyBob

Active member
Oh yes, forgot forgot to mention Liqui Moly... good stuff that. Thanks for mentioning it Crash.
kabal said:
I would be never in a million years buy an M3 from someone who used the words "Castrol Edge Sport 10W60" as the answer to "what oil did you use?"

If oil was replaced every 12 - 15000 km, there is no reason that Edge Sport would do any harm whatsoever. I've seen an E46 M3 run for 4 service intervals on Edge Sport oil changes, without a single hassle.
 
Very good tips there, although some are a bit overboard and waay too impractical.
I recently sold my E46 M3 Vert with 70k's. there was no child on the way, no upgrade in the pipeline. Just a pure financial decision, and yes the car had full agent service history with 12k oil service intervals, and brand new michelins.
Was it expensive to maintain? Yes it was, but no short cuts were taken.

Show me any seller who would allow his M3 to be Dynoed just for sale purposes???
 

BillyBob

Active member
Liquid Ice said:
Very good tips there, although some are a bit overboard and waay too impractical.
I recently sold my E46 M3 Vert with 70k's. there was no child on the way, no upgrade in the pipeline. Just a pure financial decision, and yes the car had full agent service history with 12k oil service intervals, and brand new michelins.
Was it expensive to maintain? Yes it was, but no short cuts were taken.

Show me any seller who would allow his M3 to be Dynoed just for sale purposes???

Uhm, one that has nothing to hide? It's an M3 - not a Tata Indica... Asking for a recent dyno result or a fresh dyno run is perfectly legitimate, and less of a hassle than getting an AA check done - which any seller worth his salt would also be willing to do.

If the purchaser is serious about the car, he can put down a deposit or show the seller his finance approval to substantiate the request, towards the end of the sales cycle. A dyno or checkup isn't something you ask for off the bat, it's basically the final deal clincher pending final price negotiation vs repairs / maintenance still to be done by the seller.

I've asked for dyno runs or results + a mechanical once-over by a specialist of my choice on 4 of my previous purchases, all were done by the owner or dealer... One car I walked away from altogether because of issues that popped up - 2 other cars I got the seller to replace sensors or address issues that were revealed, thus saving myself a further expense.

And you're missing the point with the comment on being suspicious - given that you had full service history with shorter oil change intervals, invoices for tyres + work done, etc, it changes the playing field of purchasing your car immediately.. That's the kind of dedication that sets one's mind at ease when purchasing a car. But very very few sellers (or M3 owners) are even half as meticulous as you are, and there are a LOT of M3's out there that have been thrashed to hell and/or poorly maintained.

You're viewing this from a seller's aspect, and presumably a seller that buys his cars new - okay, fine - your car is perfect, point taken, and I applaud you. Accordingly, someone buying it would see that and not have to scrutinize every aspect of your car.

But now supposing you're not exactly cash-flush, and you have to buy privately + second hand, you've saved up R200k, and you're looking to buy an M3 - would you not do everything within your power to ensure the car you're dropping your hard-earned savings on, doesn't end up ripping an unexpected R50k hole in your pocket for an engine rebuild you could have avoided by doing a bit of homework and being meticulous?

So, no, It's not unreasonable at all requesting a dyno or a mechanical checkup by a specialist of your choice - provided the car has something questionable about it and warrants further inspection. R200k+ is no small amount of money - if the seller won't agree to a checkup / dyno, he's either got something to hide, or he's just being an ass that refuses to see the magnitude of the investment for the buyer. Unfortunately, there are just too many dodgy muppets out there selling cars to risk taking any chances.
 

LordPhoenix

New member
Liquid Ice said:
Very good tips there, although some are a bit overboard and waay too impractical.
I recently sold my E46 M3 Vert with 70k's. there was no child on the way, no upgrade in the pipeline. Just a pure financial decision, and yes the car had full agent service history with 12k oil service intervals, and brand new michelins.
Was it expensive to maintain? Yes it was, but no short cuts were taken.

Show me any seller who would allow his M3 to be Dynoed just for sale purposes???

What was your average maintenance costs
 
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