Carbon tax

[Skwinty]

If space is curved then is the earth actually flat?

As of this year, here's some "theories" that bother me.

1) String theory.... really whacked out
2) Membrane theory... Bliksem!
3) Dark matter maybe doesn't actually exist, so we should stop looking for it.
4) Something last week about the universe is contracting not expanding....Huh?
5) Carbon tax ....In Africa....?
6) the solar maxumum in 2012
7) Why my BMW leaks oil and no amount of money or gaskets will stop it.

String theory is a very elegant and difficult mathematical theory.
It offers the GUT or the Grand unifying theory which will eventually bridge the gap in combing Quantum theory and Gravity. (or Intelligent falling as some believe) Read The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene.

Membrane theory is very much a hypothesis at this time, but it is an exciting new train of thought.

Einstein's equations originally indicated that the universe was either contracting or expanding. At that time, every one believed the universe was static. Hence Einstein introduced the cosmological constant to make his equation fit the current belief, which he later called his biggest blunder.
Later observations by Edwin Hubble proved that the universe was expanding.

As for dark matter, there is strong empirical evidence for dark matter and dark energy.

Curved space really just means that gravity has an effect on thelight. In the presence of large masses, the gravitational forces exerted by this mass will cause light to bend, but as we know, light travels in a straight line. Think geodesics and rhumb lines.

John Wheeler coined a phrase, " Mass tells space how to curve and space tells mass how to move". An exaple would be, from our point of view, earth travels in an eliptical orbit around the sun, but as far as the earth is concerned it travels in a straight line.

All this is of course a bit more complex than the internal combustion engine.

As to you BMW leaking oil, use a thicker oil..

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this global warming is just american b/s ....they have an agenda from which they stand to gain. as usual only they know how......recent news report styated that a study done over the last 60 YEARS show that none of the worlds islands have suffered from the rising seas........ supposedly caused by this new 'threat'. just like 911 the yanks have a hidden agenda.....

climate change is real, go and ask the people living in the Garden Route.

Conspiracy theories are nothing more than :bs:

 

[Truvalu]

Same problem I have with the following....

17 years ago as a "raw" agent starting with Sanlam I was told only two out of every ten people who retires will be able to look after themselves financially, etc, etc, etc... and then why that is the biggest reason why everyone should start with an Retirement Annuity as that is the answer!!!!

NOW I want to know, why 17 years later are they (and verybody else) still punting the same figures?? That means, for 17 years that they were punting that scenario it did not change a thing???

That's why I rather stick to shortterm insurance..... seriously!!!

 

[Skwinty]

That's why I rather stick to shortterm insurance..... seriously!!!

Our time on this earth is indeed very short and no one gets out alive.
We live in a vast, beautiful and uncaring universe. :shocked:

 

[Whacko]

Just to get some direction on this thread, how many people are for and how many are against the carbon tax or is that a stupid question?
Maybe someone should start a poll. I would presume the majority would be against, but what is so frustrating, we would end up having to fork it out, and that is just not on.

 

[Skwinty]

Just to get some direction on this thread, how many people are for and how many are against the carbon tax or is that a stupid question?
Maybe someone should start a poll. I would presume the majority would be against, but what is so frustrating, we would end up having to fork it out, and that is just not on.

I am against all forms of tax, however the only certainties in life are taxes and death, in that order..:cursin:

 

[rick540]

Thicker oil I can use, but will make the car go slower....

The rest was actually interesting!

 

[netercol]

I apologise. Statement deleted.

now that takes a big man, thank you.

 

[Fordkoppie]

So kabal - you belive that your great great great great great grand dad were a rock???
That is the rubbish that evolutionists say. He was a rock first, then turned to soup, then a frog, then an ape and then a human? I am sorry but this seems highly unlikely.
The bible says that "God created man in his own image" and i dont think that He is an ape with all respect.
To further staff my point with some simple maths - the Victoria falls. it is a well known fact that the waterfall deteriorates on the edge where the water is dupmed with a few mm each year. Thus, the falls are actually moving upstream, and if the earth were actually billions and billions of years old as the evolutionists blab, the waterfall would have now been in the atlantic ocean.
Oh yes, i am against the tax

 

[UpNcOmiNg!]

+1 Fordkoppie...

The Bible has been twisted and misinterpreted so much over the years to suit people which is wrong.
With regards directly to Evolution, if it were true, why do so many of the scientists still not have any CONCLUSIVE evidences or cases for it.

As for the taxes, the bible covers that too; "man has led man to his own injury"

 

[Whacko]

I think every now and then you find someone that acts as a mediator between opposing groups. Let me try. Lets find common ground. There are creationists, evolutionists and agnostics all over the planet. That should tell us something and that is not all people share the same believes. There are people that need religion in their lives and there are those that don't and there are those who don't care. So let's respect each others viewpoint and in that way we can focus on matters that we agree upon.

 

[Fordkoppie]

Mabe we should just stick to BMW stories we all love and agree upon:spit::excited:

 

[Skwinty]

I have no problem with other peoples belief in a god or gods.
For myself however, I want evidence. I accept nothing on faith alone.

If you want evidence for evolution, go to a museum or read a scientific book about it. Don't apply the same criteria to science that you apply to religion.

 

[Whacko]

I think quarrels over religion leads to bigotry, I am an Atheist and I believe evolution, but I don't go round telling people they should dump their religion and become atheist. So I expect the same treatment and we all stay happy. It is a personal thing and I get regular visits on Sunday mornings from people that see the need for others to convert to their religion, but what beats me is how persistent some are. So in the name of peace I usually avoid getting involved in this type of topic.

 

[kabal]

That is the rubbish that evolutionists say. He was a rock first, then turned to soup, then a frog, then an ape and then a human

of course I dont think people evolved from rocks, and neither do evolutionists/bioligests, etc. Please show me someone respected in a scientific community who has said anything like this.
in fact that is a classic "anti proof" for trying to debunk evolution....
what is the point of half an eye, what is the point of half a wing, etc, etc.

Your Victoria falls example is pretty amusing. The zambizi river IS NOT billions and billions of years old. Victoria falls was created, according to geological research, 150million years ago. IMO it is extremely plausable that it has moved a 100km or 2 upstream

With regards directly to Evolution, if it were true, why do so many of the scientists still not have any CONCLUSIVE evidences or cases for it.

umm, conclusive evidence for evolution exists, its called DNA. all living species share the same base DNA, this is not a theory, this is fact. how about bacteria that has evolved to become resistent to antibiotics??? thats just crazy talk isnt it?????

Debating with creationist's is obviously a futile excercise, even though it is fun.
What is more plausable??
A supreme being clicked his magical fingers, and suddenly the earth appeared with man at the centre of its existence.
OR
A series on extreme events and circumstances caused life in its simplest form to be created. From it's enviromental surroundings and changes cauesed it to adapt in ways to better carry out it's biological inprint to multiply.


This statement should hot up some people:
There is a place for evolution and religion to exist side by side.
Creationism however is a fucking ridiculous notion, and anyone who truely has a free thinking mind would agree. Basically a creationist thinks that the flintsones is an accurate historical representation of adam and eve era life

 

[netercol]

Creationism however is a fucking ridiculous notion, and anyone who truely has a free thinking mind would agree. Basically a creationist thinks that the flintsones is an accurate historical representation of adam and eve era life

yeah , there we go again.. so basically you feel you have the right to ridicule creationists, but in turn dont want to be ridiculed for your own beliefs? its intolerance like you display that has lead to the mess humankind, created or evolved, find themselfs in..

oh and before you criticize me for defending creationists, i am defending neither, i am simply advocating tolerance.. i think where we are heading as a species is more important right now, than killing each other over where we came from..

 

[Whacko]

Shees, how come a carbon tax issue ends up with a religion or not debate?

 

[Skwinty]

Ha Ha, you started with your opinions on global warming and then Fordkoppie started on the religion bit.
Guess it all went downhill from there..:mmm:

 

[kabal]

yeah , there we go again.. so basically you feel you have the right to ridicule creationists, but in turn dont want to be ridiculed for your own beliefs?

absolutely not. I will listen to and respect any peoples opinions/beliefs, provided they back it with solid reasoning.

The Scientific Method can be applied to all rational/logic things

Using emotion as any sort of evidence is very thin indeed

Russel's teapot:
"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

oh and before you criticize me for defending creationists, i am defending neither, i am simply advocating tolerance.. i think where we are heading as a species is more important right now, than killing each other over where we came from..

+1

 

[rick540]

What about the idea of created evolution?

I kind of sit right in the middle here, we can see how things evolved from evidence, but the odds of it actually evolving totally without any help at all are rediculously slim.

Mankind just popping into existance is one extreme, whereas billions of chemical reactions taking place just at the right time and in the right sequence is the other extreme.

Maybe we are just some alien experiment, maybe our creator is an alien and earth is a UFO, idunno... who does? Truth is we don't actually know yet, so we have to beleive in something it's human nature and nothing wrong with it.

I'll hover in the middle for now, I can justify it to myself

Till we work it all out everybody has a right to their own oppinion and beleifs....regardless.

This is called tolerance and respect, and is a fundamental human right to everybody.

Maybe this is a hot topic because we spend so many years beleiving whatever we do, and then somebody else comes along trying to force their values on us.

 

[Coisman]

imp:
Same as the "millenium bug" for the year 2000... :mmm:
"All computers will stop working at midnight on new year 2000" :nono:
Whata loada crappa !!!

All to make money to promote their own wealth.
Oil reserves is seriously running out, and I can promise you the big players all have stakes in the EV market. :thumb:
It makes sooo much pollution to manufacture the batteries in the EV's, never mind the toxins to dispose of the batteries. :cursin:

I still say the government must just come clean and call ET to come and help us clean up our shit.