Carbon finally getting repaired

[herr bmw]

saw the Ferrari factory on TV looked aright to me :rollsmile:

got the video on pc of the ferrari factory,they is a palace compared to ford,when you see robots welding and cars coming past where one person has to put a bolt in and fasten it in the matter of seconds,scary

 

[zaleonardz]

Thing is, does not matter how you slice it, your going to be using filler.

There is a trick though.

Lets say for example, you take a fist sized dent or seam or whatever, what the guys do, if its a deep dent, they just put filler into/onto it, as thick as 5mm or more, and that is what cracks after time/in accident condtions.

What your supposed to to is bring the metal as close as possible, and smooth it off with 2mm or more, guys get lazy, the job will look good enough to get the car out the shop and get paid.

Anyway, replacing the full side panel instead of just the rear quarter can easily add a couple of k onto the price, and is a fair amount more labour. However that said, your job will be better, its just not always feasible...

But I agree, if the panel is cracked, replace...

You can just cut out any section or piece out of another car, it just gets welded in, and then smoothed over with filler.

So you could either replace 3 if the damage was just in the rear quarter, or as in this case 1...

1 is of course a lot more difficualt, as you loose the structural integrety of the roof, Looks like your guys have the right tools and looks like they know what they are doing...

Sucks that the part has to come from germany, trust me there are no second hand in jhb... i tried

i dont much like filler that why i would rather have the whole piece...

 

[moranor@axis]

im not saying filler does not have its place it reduces cost alot, but new panels will always be better... its just way more expensive in most cases...

 

[zaleonardz]

Herr : Computer guided equipment versus man.... But ya.. I hear you raise:

moranor : indeed

 

[calypso]

Herr : Computer guided equipment versus man.... But ya.. I hear you raise:

moranor : indeed

I See your computer, and raise you...

 

[rick540]

Thing is, does not matter how you slice it, your going to be using filler.

There is a trick though.

Lets say for example, you take a fist sized dent or seam or whatever, what the guys do, if its a deep dent, they just put filler into/onto it, as thick as 5mm or more, and that is what cracks after time/in accident condtions.

What your supposed to to is bring the metal as close as possible, and smooth it off with 2mm or more, guys get lazy, the job will look good enough to get the car out the shop and get paid.

Anyway, replacing the full side panel instead of just the rear quarter can easily add a couple of k onto the price, and is a fair amount more labour. However that said, your job will be better, its just not always feasible...

But I agree, if the panel is cracked, replace...

You can just cut out any section or piece out of another car, it just gets welded in, and then smoothed over with filler.

So you could either replace 3 if the damage was just in the rear quarter, or as in this case 1...

1 is of course a lot more difficualt, as you loose the structural integrety of the roof, Looks like your guys have the right tools and looks like they know what they are doing...

Sucks that the part has to come from germany, trust me there are no second hand in jhb... i tried

i dont much like filler that why i would rather have the whole piece...

What happened to goold old fashined lead filler, it works really well.

 

[zaleonardz]

We actually still have some and use it from time to time ?

Thing is, does not matter how you slice it, your going to be using filler.

There is a trick though.

Lets say for example, you take a fist sized dent or seam or whatever, what the guys do, if its a deep dent, they just put filler into/onto it, as thick as 5mm or more, and that is what cracks after time/in accident condtions.

What your supposed to to is bring the metal as close as possible, and smooth it off with 2mm or more, guys get lazy, the job will look good enough to get the car out the shop and get paid.

Anyway, replacing the full side panel instead of just the rear quarter can easily add a couple of k onto the price, and is a fair amount more labour. However that said, your job will be better, its just not always feasible...

But I agree, if the panel is cracked, replace...

You can just cut out any section or piece out of another car, it just gets welded in, and then smoothed over with filler.

So you could either replace 3 if the damage was just in the rear quarter, or as in this case 1...

1 is of course a lot more difficualt, as you loose the structural integrety of the roof, Looks like your guys have the right tools and looks like they know what they are doing...

Sucks that the part has to come from germany, trust me there are no second hand in jhb... i tried

i dont much like filler that why i would rather have the whole piece...

What happened to goold old fashined lead filler, it works really well.

 

[Clownshoe]

saw the Ferrari factory on TV looked aright to me :rollsmile:

I always imagine my cars being put together in something resembling the Bugatti Veyron assembly lineraise:

 

[3V0M-WP]

Interesting. :thumbs:

Are panels 3 seperate from part 2...And does it get welded...or is the "two" actually one panel from the factory?

Yes, panel 2 and 3 are separate. Panel 1 is "panel 2 and 3 as a single panel".
If I bought 2 and 3, they would be wielded together.

I managed to get BMW SA to exchange Panel 3 with Panel 1. The price difference is R2k..... If I had kept Panel 3 and bought Panel 2 it would have cost R6k... I'm saving 4k with the exchanging of the 2 panels (Panel 3 for panel 1).
BMW dealerships don't normally do exchange/refunds, they had to ask BMW SA head office for approval.

its better that way i think looks like they would otherwise have to weld 1&2 together... with replacing the whole panel it will be how it came from the factory...

i think its worth the wait

It is a lot better to have 1 panel, than 2 wielded together. The single panel will help them a lot with accurately re-aligning the roof, bonnet, tailgate, headlight, taillight, front fender and bumpers correctly.
They don't want to end up having bigger gaps between the panels on the left compared to the ones on the right hand side.

1 is of course a lot more difficualt, as you loose the structural integrety of the roof, Looks like your guys have the right tools and looks like they know what they are doing...

Sucks that the part has to come from germany, trust me there are no second hand in jhb... i tried

These guys do have the right tools etc. They've been in the industry for 30 years.

Yeah, it is a pity that it has to come from Germany. I didn't bother looking for a second hand one cos you dont wanna take any risks if it was slightly damaged. Its 1 of the main structural panels.

dont they weld it in?and cant they carry on with the front end ?

They've done what they can in the front but cant carry on cos they need the side panel to help realign the chassis arm (Item No.2 in diagram below) into its accurate correct position. They've pulled it a lot into position.
If any part/panel is 1mm outta line it will mess up all the other panels alignment/s with each other.

Its worth the wait, to have the job done properly. Any other avg panel beater would have kept quiet about the crack (if they saw it) which could cause problems in the years to come.
If they didn't strip the interior out, they wouldn't have seen the crack



Btw, I'm back to deciding on the 2 colours. Blue still being my 1st choice... I see the orange is an option on the new 1 Series, in its brochure. This makes the orange not being an "///M individual" colour.... The "Monte Carlo Blue" is only available on the ///M range.

 

[moranor@axis]

saw the Ferrari factory on TV looked aright to me :rollsmile:

I always imagine my cars being put together in something resembling the Bugatti Veyron assembly lineraise:

i thought the Bugatti line was too much of a show... parts made everywhere then bolted together in a showroom...

what i liked about the Ferrari line is that there were real crafts men there... i dont know i just think its old school cool...

 

[Philip Foglar]

Bugatti is over the top of course - I mean hand delivered parts in foam padded cases! Come on! That makes anal seem a little bit acceptable! Interestingly though, thinking about the performance potential of the Veyron - its front and rear sections are held together with bolts!!

 

[Diablo Jnr]

Latest update on Carbon

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Is this the blue you are using Carbon

 

[moranor@axis]

could you imagine if they got the bolts wrong and the started shearing...

 

[kabal]

bolts AND glue no???

 

[moranor@axis]

dont remember seeing glue... the corvette is made with lots of glue

 

[3V0M-WP]

I've just noticed that I mentioned "Item No 2" in my previous post. I meant "Item No 5".

They've done nothing last week cos the side panel hasn't arrived yet. It should arrive by Friday otherwise early the following week.

I'm hoping to have the car completed with the following below, to have it in the car show at the Good Hope centre on 26/27 Nov:
Window tinting
Installing sound system back in
Refitting Performance steering wheel
Full Valet
Tires
Service and exhaust decat

 

[moranor@axis]

why dont you do the decat now?

 

[zaleonardz]

ANd do the wiring for the sound system before the car gets assembled...

This is also an awesome oppertunity to dynamat the entire car, considering the interior is out...

 

[Legacy]

Progress update??

 

[3V0M-WP]

No update, still waiting on the side panel to arrive. It should be this Friday or early next week