Car Insurance

Ofentse

Member
Howzit fanatics,

It looks like i will be looking for new car insurer soon as Myway has just told me that they will be implementing annually premium adjustments, and the monthly fee for my 330i will be increased to R 1 300pm, up from current R1 090pm.

This is too much as i don't see any valid reason for this ridiculous increase. The car is getting old and depreciating in value yet they hike premiums... :RedNo:

Please let me know of any reasonable car insurers that i may consider when i do decide to jump ship...

Any help will be appreciated
 

WIDEOPN-X5

Well-known member
This is a sore point for me. The reason we pay what we do for cover in some part is due to the fact that insurance is not compulsory unless the vehicle is financed.

So as has happened to my wife twice in the last 12months is through no fault of hers 2 x accidents where in both cases the cars were uninsured.

Nett result. My underwriter takes the full loss of both repairs. That affects my premium.

Should be like the UK. No insurance the car is off the road and crushed. Period.
 
Also stay away from Saxum/Quicksure....Im still waiting for them to pay out my claim.
Been waiting for a month now.
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Wes

///Member
Ofentse said:
RAArmstrong@TheFanatics said:

Thanks man, i have saved Neil's contacts and will ask him to quote me soon :ty:

Just to add to this, I was very happy with his service on my old car so when we traded it the other day I gave him a shout.

They sorted it out in half an hour, retaining our current underwriter, but advised that underwriter #2 would offer the same cover (comprehensive + tracker + car rental) for two thirds of the current premium, if I was interested.

100% happy with his team and their excellent service.
 

Ofentse

Member
WIDEOPN-X3 said:
This is a sore point for me. The reason we pay what we do for cover in some part is due to the fact that insurance is not compulsory unless the vehicle is financed.

So as has happened to my wife twice in the last 12months is through no fault of hers 2 x accidents where in both cases the cars were uninsured.

Nett result. My underwriter takes the full loss of both repairs. That affects my premium.

Should be like the UK. No insurance the car is off the road and crushed. Period.

At least your underwriter has been helpful thus far. My citi was involved in an accident last year, and Outsurance refused to repair the car. They simply paid me R28 000 for a car that i had bought for R65 000 six months earlier, as they chose to write it off. Need i say i recently received a call from some dude asking me for the pin for the radio.
My car was not badly damaged, i mean the citi is just a box with less electronics and my engine was unscathed from the mishap, i honestly don't know why my car was written off. But i speculate that they did not want to carry the loss for what had happened. I am pretty sure they got decent money for my Citi, while i lost big time...


Sabretooth tiger said:
MIWAY is sh#t anyway. You better off without them.
That much i have learned, i still can get my head around the 19% increase they want to implement. Have never claimed for anything since i bought that 330i. My colleague says it is what they do and will probably reduce this amount if i negotiate... i don't want to negotiate with them, i am actually gatvol to say the least...


NE91 said:
Also stay away from Saxum/Quicksure....Im still waiting for them to pay out my claim.
Been waiting for a month now.
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Noted, thanks for the heads-up!


Wes said:
Ofentse said:
RAArmstrong@TheFanatics said:

Thanks man, i have saved Neil's contacts and will ask him to quote me soon :ty:

Just to add to this, I was very happy with his service on my old car so when we traded it the other day I gave him a shout.

They sorted it out in half an hour, retaining our current underwriter, but advised that underwriter #2 would offer the same cover (comprehensive + tracker + car rental) for two thirds of the current premium, if I was interested.

100% happy with his team and their excellent service.

Now even more convinced :rollsmile:
I am definitely going to give these guys a shout...
 

sash

///Member
that doesnt make sense....

Did you over pay for the car? was it under insured? Did you have an exorbitant excess of R20k or more?
 

ChefDJ

///Member
How many times must it be mentioned on forums that you need to stay away from telesure companies if you want decent service, even if the premium elsewhere is higher? I have not heard a single good story about a telesure company, other than those who are never involved in accidents and can cash-in their claim-free bonus.

OP, phone my broker on this number 011 958 0308. His name is Morne. Tell him you got his number from Chef. You will do summer-salts when he gives you your premium for the level of service you get from him.
 

ooovie

Active member
The Citi is 1 of those cars that will always sell for more than what they are worth. for example, my Velociti retail value is about R34 000+/- but if you must buy 1 in stock form they go for about R55 000-R60 000. Only way is to insure every single extra that was added so you can get abit more money.
 

Zound

///Member
Execuline. Very happy with the service I have received from them and no one has been able to beat the premium/excess I am getting at the moment.
 

Ofentse

Member
sash said:
that doesnt make sense....

Did you over pay for the car? was it under insured? Did you have an exorbitant excess of R20k or more?

According to Outsurance, because that the car was a bit old (2007), it was now worth below 30K, and that was what they were prepared to pay. I went to a dealer and asked him why such a huge discrepancy, he simply explained to me that when they put a price on a car, they look at the overall condition of the car and not just the age. So because that Citi was in an excellent condition with extremely low mileage for its age 32 000K and also with full service history, it had to cost a bit more. The problem is that those things count for naught as far as car insurance companies are concerned. You can therefore conclude that indeed i overpaid for the car, from that point of view...


ooovie said:
The Citi is 1 of those cars that will always sell for more than what they are worth. for example, my Velociti retail value is about R34 000+/- but if you must buy 1 in stock form they go for about R55 000-R60 000. Only way is to insure every single extra that was added so you can get abit more money.

Very true!
 
One must always make sure you do not pay more than what a car is worth (insurance book value), unless you going to insure if for its replacement value, for a a car of same condition, etc.
 

deanbenn

Member
Im with Renasa (insurefin) via my Broker. Nobody could beat their premium and no excess..Outsurance didn't want to insure me as I am a 29year old driving a 330d....:crazylaugh::hammerhead:
 
Outsurance is nuts if you ask me. Its a wonder they have customers, they hectically expensive. I got R400 from them twice already to stay away. :biglol:
 

tumzozo

Member
Yes All Telesure companies will take your hard earned money, and provide you with headaches, crap service and inconvenience in return.

Seconded ChefDJ, never go with the telesure companies. A reputable broker will always be better by far!
 

WIDEOPN-X5

Well-known member
Apologies for the long post but it may prove useful to someone out there.

Something to remember with insurance is this. The basic premise is that insurance is there to put you back in the position you were in before the loss. Nothing more. Nothing less.

So, this brings to the fore the argument I have had on numerous occasions with Brokers. Take for example my X3. I have to insure it for supposed RETAIL value which is currently R428k because that is the "book value" (that book to me is utter shyte!!)

If i look on the interwebs for identical spec X3's I cannot locate any 2013 models with similar mileage (140k kms) but there are a few with the same spec. And the asking prices are in the mid to late R300k range.

So where does M&M get their values?? We are told that it is an average of the sale prices achieved for the vehicle in the previous 2 months (I am open to correction here). Well if that were true, the prices would be higher on Car/co.za etc etc.

So that's the one side of the coin. The flip side is the example of the Citigolf earlier in this thread. You have 2 options with car insurance. Option 1, a valued policy where with supporting documents, you say I want to insure the vehicle for a sum of money. I did this with the 540i. It was insured for R100k even though book value was R68k. In the event of a total loss / theft, I would be paid R100k. Period.

Option 2 is that you insure the car for the book value that the Insurer tells you to insure it for. That is going to be as per "the book". So you have the situation develop where the car is totalled like the Citi was.

Your claim turns on what the insured value was but here's the thing. You say you paid R65k and they offered R28k 6 months later. If you overpaid for the car, well then the valued policy route would have been best. If however, Outsurance told you that's what you had to insure it for then lowballed you you have further options. Ombudsman is one but of course is lengthy.

The other option which folks miss is directly linked to my first sentence in this post. (insurance is there to put you back in the position you were in before the loss.....). So , when faced with this scenario you are quite entitled to say to your insurer that you don't want to be paid out, you want your car replaced like for like. (ie put back in the position you were in before the loss.)

The insurer can then go and source a similar vehicle and deliver it to you. When this is put to insurers, the game changes very quickly.

We have just concluded this exact fight with a large motor insurer on behalf of my colleague in respect of a mint condition Corolla RXi. These cars are selling for up to R 100k. The car was insured as per book value for R58k. The car was involved in an accident and the insurer wanted to write off and pay my colleague out R45k. (a myriad of reasons were given including his mileage being high etc etc).

We simply said, please replace the car like for like. The matter settled after 3 weeks of jousting with the insurer settling at insured value. My colleague then bought the scrap back for R35k and is repairing it for R23k using Toyota parts. (the cheapest quote was for R41k).

Insurance is a business like any other and they will always seek to maximise the profits. But not to my detriment is my attitude.
 

Danny2

///Member
NE91 said:
Also stay away from Saxum/Quicksure....Im still waiting for them to pay out my claim.
Been waiting for a month now.
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Quicksure and Saxum are no longer in partnershoip, they have split up and now Quicksure has moved their profile to Mutual and Federal.

But yeah Quicksure is pathetic, they never answer the phones or call back and will only work via Email. They are pathetic to say the least.
 
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