Car cuts out

ChrisBrand

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Ran the codes again. Nothing showed except the 'fuel circiuit changeover' error. Before all power cut I heard what sounded like a bang. Thats why, as stated in the other thread, I think it may be a fuse that blew. But, as also stated in the other thread, I cant get the stupid box open of the dme fuses to check it.
 

ChrisBrand

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So this happened again last night. As I was crossing the busy intersection at Old Paarl and Old Oak Road the car just cut out as I set off. No i did not stall. Got home, ran codes and again got 2 errors.

Camshaft Inlet and Camshaft Exhaust. Looks like I will have to replace both them.
 

Pho3niX90

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ChrisBrand said:
Ran the codes again. Nothing showed except the 'fuel circiuit changeover' error. Before all power cut I heard what sounded like a bang. Thats why, as stated in the other thread, I think it may be a fuse that blew. But, as also stated in the other thread, I cant get the stupid box open of the dme fuses to check it.

That's the fuel solenoid valve.
 

ChrisBrand

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Pho3niX90 said:
ChrisBrand said:
Ran the codes again. Nothing showed except the 'fuel circiuit changeover' error. Before all power cut I heard what sounded like a bang. Thats why, as stated in the other thread, I think it may be a fuse that blew. But, as also stated in the other thread, I cant get the stupid box open of the dme fuses to check it.

That's the fuel solenoid valve.

Thanks Phoenix! Been searching everywhere for an answer on that one


Phoenix, do you perhaps have a pic where it is or what part needs replacing?
 

Pho3niX90

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ChrisBrand said:
So this happened again last night. As I was crossing the busy intersection at Old Paarl and Old Oak Road the car just cut out as I set off. No i did not stall. Got home, ran codes and again got 2 errors.

Camshaft Inlet and Camshaft Exhaust. Looks like I will have to replace both them.

It's very odd that the 2 are going out at the same time. Especially that they are intermittently causing issues together. Usually when electronics go they go, there is no in between.

Since there was a bang noise maybe inspect your head or cams? Just a suggestion though


This is what I could find, replaced one of these bad boys on the X5 as well and was pricey

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1008729


And here seems to be a test you can do - > http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=736327
 

GPGrobler

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ChrisBrand said:
Ran the codes again. Nothing showed except the 'fuel circiuit changeover' error. Before all power cut I heard what sounded like a bang. Thats why, as stated in the other thread, I think it may be a fuse that blew. But, as also stated in the other thread, I cant get the stupid box open of the dme fuses to check it.

Chris, there are quite big fuses in the fusebox above the glovebox, if one of those blow, I'm sure it will sound like a small explosion, maybe you should check them out?
 

ChrisBrand

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Will check it out. Apparently there are like 5 places on the car with fuses and relays. Will check all of them.
 

ChrisBrand

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Haven't had time to check the fuses again but yesterday while commuting home on the N1 doing about 110km/h the car jerked as if it wanted to die again but then went on as if nothing happened. Used my last cash for the month to order new camshaft sensors for inlet and exhaust from g-drive.

Hope its just the sensors and not anything more serious like damage to the camshaft itself.


GPGrobler said:
Anyone know of the other three? I only know about the engine bay fusebox and the under-dash one.

I have a link. Will post it for you shortly


1. Engine bay (ECU Box)
2. Glove compartment
3. Trunk
4. Under passanger seat
5. And I think next to the LCM on the drivers side
 

Pho3niX90

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ChrisBrand said:
1. Engine bay (ECU Box)
2. Glove compartment
3. Trunk
4. Under passanger seat
5. And I think next to the LCM on the drivers side

I have never seen fuses under the passenger seat, both in 318 and 330 when taking out the entire interior, also the trunk isn't really fuse boxes but rather a single huge battery fuse (or 2). Don't think there are any fuses next to LCM either as far as I remember.

Update us once you have checked and hopefully it's just the sensors.

Have you checked errors again? And what are you using to check the errors? Inpa, pasoft or generic dongle?
 

ChrisBrand

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Will Check again. Using PA Soft.Apparently if 1 cam sensor fails then the car uses the other one to gather info. If both fail then the car uses the MAF and Crank sensor for info.

Haven't had time to check the fuses. When I ran the codes again it showed both cam sensors again. Just hope its the 2 sensors and not the cam itself as I believe that could trigger both sensors
 

Pho3niX90

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ChrisBrand said:
Will Check again. Using PA Soft.Apparently if 1 cam sensor fails then the car uses the other one to gather info. If both fail then the car uses the MAF and Crank sensor for info.

Haven't had time to check the fuses. When I ran the codes again it showed both cam sensors again. Just hope its the 2 sensors and not the cam itself as I believe that could trigger both sensors

I am thinking the same thing, 2 sensors going out at the same time is odd. But who knows, anything is possible.

Quickly doing a Google search and on multiple pages it suggests that the hesitation / stalling effect happens at low speeds. Also sometimes causes misfire, car struggle to start, low down power decrease.

But haven't seen another thread where both had problems. But once again anything could happen.
 

ChrisBrand

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Pho3niX90 said:
ChrisBrand said:
Will Check again. Using PA Soft.Apparently if 1 cam sensor fails then the car uses the other one to gather info. If both fail then the car uses the MAF and Crank sensor for info.

Haven't had time to check the fuses. When I ran the codes again it showed both cam sensors again. Just hope its the 2 sensors and not the cam itself as I believe that could trigger both sensors

I am thinking the same thing, 2 sensors going out at the same time is odd. But who knows, anything is possible.

Quickly doing a Google search and on multiple pages it suggests that the hesitation / stalling effect happens at low speeds. Also sometimes causes misfire, car struggle to start, low down power decrease.

But haven't seen another thread where both had problems. But once again anything could happen.

I also read that. The problem is that this happens at any speed. First time at about 100, second time at set off, third time at 110 but third time the car just misfired. Didnt die like the first two instances.

Till now ive been driving very conservatively, below 3000RPM. Touch wood no problems yet.

Looks like I wont be receiving the sensors before the weekend so i will ask Garage808 to have a look when I go for my 10 000km oil service on Wednesday.

Thanks for all the help Phoenix!!
 

Pho3niX90

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Okay found 1 thread.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=445649

Seems that the vanos exhaust hub could cause both sensors to throw errors if a tab is broken, this could explain the bang noise?
EDIT: These could cause your problem
1. Wrong timing. But someone would have needed to disturb the timing.
2. Failing vanos solenoid coil pack. But you replaced this with a Beisan rebuilt unit.
3. Sticking solenoid valve body.
4. Broken oil pump driver tab.

You might want to just give it an inspection before changing the sensors just to be 100% sure?
 
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