BMW working on a 7 speed manual?

ChrisBrand

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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/06/patent-application-shows-bmw-working-on-seven-speed-manual/

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**Patent application shows BMW working on seven-speed manual
By Jonathon RamseyRSS feed
Posted Jun 6th 2012 7:29PM

BMW has invited itself to a party that Porsche started. Someone trolling through patent filings found drawings submitted by BMW for two slightly different takes on a seven-speed manual transmission. The first take is a more conventional setup that provides an honest clutch pedal. The second variant uses a shift-by-wire system to swap gears through an electromechanical actuator. To prevent drivers from accidentally engaging an engine-damaging gear in such a closely spaced pattern, both rely on an electromagnetic fluid inside a shifting module that can change viscosity to prevent the 'lever' from making a shift.

According to the filing, the system can work with up to eight(!) gears. It isn't clear if, even in the system with the clutch, the gear lever is actually attached to any of those gears.

What's also notable about the drawings is the shift pattern. Porsche's seven-speed shift pattern in the 991-series 911 places reverse and the odd gears above, the even gears below. But the BMW pattern in the drawing places reverse and seventh gear in opposing positions at the ends of the axis that is normally, entirely, neutral. Also, the shift pattern is drawn on what looks more like an iDrive-shaped stick, not the usual BMW manual transmission knob, nor the stubby dual-clutch stick as found in the BMW M6 whose reverse gear is still located above neutral.

Who knows if or when we'll ever see it, but it's encouraging just to know that advanced, row-your-own transmissions are still on drawing boards somewhere.**

**Taken from above mentioned blog
 

Philip Foglar

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Six gears are enough in most cases! Something like this in an M5 could make sense - performance and economy/practicality. :thumbs:
 

Legacy

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It doesn't make allot of sense. If you have enough FI power like the new BMW's are going you don't need 7 gears since you have more than enough midrange torque because of the FI so if you have around a 3.0 final drive ratio with a standard BMW 6 speed box you should sit at around 2500 rpm when cruising at around 120km/h which leaves you with a low enough RPM to have awesome economy but since its FI there is enough torque to overtake.

If you have a 7 speed manual box with a NA engine it also doesn't work since you don't have enough midrange torque to overtake if the RPM is too low so you will have to down shift the whole time to overtake so your economy will suffer. If you are at around 3000 rpm in 6'th gear at 120km/h you will have the best economy with a NA engine from my experience.
 

msm

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For me this is all pointless, cos I'd much rather have an normal 6/7/8 speed auto, dct, dsg, pdk, etc (take your pick, as long as there's no clutch). Only one I hate is Audi's multitronic - drove one a few years ago and it's more exciting watching paint dry .... come to think of it, most Audi's drive that way, but I'm digressing now.

Back on topic: if you absolutely must have a clutch, then why not have a lever with sequential gearing like on a bike, instead of the conventional gear lever.
 

brukutu

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msm said:
For me this is all pointless, cos I'd much rather have an normal 6/7/8 speed auto, dct, dsg, pdk, etc (take your pick, as long as there's no clutch). Only one I hate is Audi's multitronic - drove one a few years ago and it's more exciting watching paint dry .... come to think of it, most Audi's drive that way, but I'm digressing now.

Back on topic: if you absolutely must have a clutch, then why not have a lever with sequential gearing like on a bike, instead of the conventional gear lever.

+1 bike shifter

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Fordkoppie

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I want 16 gears like a truck......
Then I can also change 5 gears just to get through an intersection. :fencelook:
This is really stupid:thumbdo:
 
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