BMW Picking up P&P

[Rory]

Another "no plan" car...

 

[KaosHunter]

I agree with a motorplan being cancelled if the person is tuning his car (except I wish they gave us more options for exhaust sound) but track days is just unfair.

Buy a preformance car and then told you can't use it on the track. I understand competing racing but a track day here and there won't make that much of a difference (unless you crash but then I totally understand your motorplan being revoked)

I have heard too that porsche will cancels motorplan if you track your car but I then you get brands like Ferrari where I know personally are all for trackdays and letting the customer enjoy the car the way it should be.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

 

[TurboLlew]

I agree with a motorplan being cancelled if the person is tuning his car (except I wish they gave us more options for exhaust sound) but track days is just unfair.

Buy a preformance car and then told you can't use it on the track. I understand competing racing but a track day here and there won't make that much of a difference (unless you crash but then I totally understand your motorplan being revoked)

I have heard too that porsche will cancels motorplan if you track your car but I then you get brands like Ferrari where I know personally are all for trackdays and letting the customer enjoy the car the way it should be.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Yeah, also dozens of McLarens around Kyalami without even blocking their numberplates!

 

[KaosHunter]

Yes, daytona trackdays are made for the customers and does not effect motorplan

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

 

[TurboLlew]

Reviving thread as there are a few more cars (some removed online) that have had plans revoked. My mate has been to see a few and enquired on a few.

Subsequent to the last posts here, I've heard many stories of BMW cracking down further including more stringent/deep tests for M-cars and x35/40 with claims under plan or being traded in. Difficult to say what is true or not from various sources of info. This is in addition to them asking for downpipes to be tested, fuel samples, oil samples, checking pipes etc.

Anyway here is another.

 

[ChefDJ]

Shows how nice and cheap these cars would be if we had the option of buying without a plan.

 

[Jeremy]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

 

[TurboLlew]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

I do know of someone who purchased one of these cars and added an aftermarket plan to it. I think he only claimed for brakes so far which they paid for in full. Will try to get details.

I actually don't think this car is particularly cheap for one with no plan since you can (for very little more than the advertised price) get one with no issues and lower mileage.

 

[Jeremy]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

I do know of someone who purchased one of these cars and added an aftermarket plan to it. I think he only claimed for brakes so far which they paid for in full. Will try to get details.

I actually don't think this car is particularly cheap for one with no plan since you can (for very little more than the advertised price) get one with no issues and lower mileage.

aaaah ok, atleast there is hope for those who will get a luck at some point.

I also dont think this is that cheap all things considered, also when buying a vehicle on this, its almost like a marriage because it would be really hard to resell this... so someone must be prepared that they will keep a car like this for a long time after they purchase.

 

[TurboLlew]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

I do know of someone who purchased one of these cars and added an aftermarket plan to it. I think he only claimed for brakes so far which they paid for in full. Will try to get details.

I actually don't think this car is particularly cheap for one with no plan since you can (for very little more than the advertised price) get one with no issues and lower mileage.

aaaah ok, atleast there is hope for those who will get a luck at some point.

I also dont think this is that cheap all things considered, also when buying a vehicle on this, its almost like a marriage because it would be really hard to resell this... so someone must be prepared that they will keep a car like this for a long time after they purchase.

Look at the end of the day I think in a few years time you will get as much for this car as you would for one where the plan has ended 'naturally' provided you have kept up with the maintenance. I don't think it is as potentially suicidal as owning an E60 out of plan LOL

 

[Jeremy]

lol but that V10 noise makes it all worth it i guess.

 

[richykuo]

My concern with this vehicle is that you would expect an ///M car to be driven hard, but with the previous owner flashing it, this car has been to hell and back! There is no doubt that there will be more unexpected problems in the future vs a stock car :RedNo:

 

[F21GP]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

I do know of someone who purchased one of these cars and added an aftermarket plan to it. I think he only claimed for brakes so far which they paid for in full. Will try to get details.

I actually don't think this car is particularly cheap for one with no plan since you can (for very little more than the advertised price) get one with no issues and lower mileage.

aaaah ok, atleast there is hope for those who will get a luck at some point.

I also dont think this is that cheap all things considered, also when buying a vehicle on this, its almost like a marriage because it would be really hard to resell this... so someone must be prepared that they will keep a car like this for a long time after they purchase.

Look at the end of the day I think in a few years time you will get as much for this car as you would for one where the plan has ended 'naturally' provided you have kept up with the maintenance. I don't think it is as potentially suicidal as owning an E60 out of plan LOL

Oi, I resent that statement :rollsmile:, its just 50-60K here or there ever so now and again:skit:

 

[TurboLlew]

I spoke to a salesman, who confirmed that the vehicle had been bench flashed and a result is that BMW cancelled the plan.

I cant understand why you would do that though... so sad, they have been battling to try sell the car.

I wonder if one could purchase an aftermarket plan in this case?

I do know of someone who purchased one of these cars and added an aftermarket plan to it. I think he only claimed for brakes so far which they paid for in full. Will try to get details.

I actually don't think this car is particularly cheap for one with no plan since you can (for very little more than the advertised price) get one with no issues and lower mileage.

aaaah ok, atleast there is hope for those who will get a luck at some point.

I also dont think this is that cheap all things considered, also when buying a vehicle on this, its almost like a marriage because it would be really hard to resell this... so someone must be prepared that they will keep a car like this for a long time after they purchase.

Look at the end of the day I think in a few years time you will get as much for this car as you would for one where the plan has ended 'naturally' provided you have kept up with the maintenance. I don't think it is as potentially suicidal as owning an E60 out of plan LOL

Oi, I resent that statement :rollsmile:, its just 50-60K here or there ever so now and again:skit:

:roflol: Would still buy a V10 in a heartbeat :coolShake:

 

[MaX]

Shows how nice and cheap these cars would be if we had the option of buying without a plan.

So you pay R700k for this, get a bad batch of fuel, and then need to fork out R350k for a new engine (https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=76593) or get a broken one for R100k, fix it for another R100k. Then you are R900k deep into the car. As luck would have it, seeing how it happened recently, you drop a DCT box a month later. Another R200k to spend. Now you ower R1.1m on a used BMW when you could've had a new one and not worry. Touch wood nothing else breaks as you would then own the most expensive 2014 M in the country and you havent even serviced it or replaced the tires. Maybe you can make a couple of Memes about that or a bumper sticker to make your wallet feel better... Or maybe, as MP is for girls, you dont give a f*ck and look forward to the next challenge the M will throw in your direction.

*Remark removed

 

[TurboLlew]

My concern with this vehicle is that you would expect an ///M car to be driven hard, but with the previous owner flashing it, this car has been to hell and back! There is no doubt that there will be more unexpected problems in the future vs a stock car :RedNo:

Yeah, I am also not 100% sure about dealers making statements like this around what the reason was for the plan being cancelled. It is easier for them perhaps to say 'BMW detected software' as opposed to something like a back-door repair. I guess this is something easy to check if you are doing your due diligence and getting history from BMW via the VIN, checking with Coisman etc... but how many people actually do this?

For one of the cars earlier in this thread dealer was saying different things to different people (JB4, meth holes left in the charge pipes, software etc.). Just saying 'it was bench flashed' might not be the true/full story.

 

[TurboLlew]

Shows how nice and cheap these cars would be if we had the option of buying without a plan.

So you pay R700k for this, get a bad batch of fuel, and then need to fork out R350k for a new engine (https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=76593) or get a broken one for R100k, fix it for another R100k. Then you are R900k deep into the car. As luck would have it, seeing how it happened recently, you drop a DCT box a month later. Another R200k to spend. Now you ower R1.1m on a used BMW when you could've had a new one and not worry. Touch wood nothing else breaks as you would then own the most expensive 2014 M in the country and you havent even serviced it or replaced the tires. Maybe you can make a couple of Memes about that or a bumper sticker to make your wallet feel better... Or maybe, as MP is for girls, you dont give a f*ck and look forward to the next challenge the M will throw in your direction.

*Remark removed

I don't think these cars are as fragile as self-destructing with a bad batch of fuel. The car related to the motor in that thread had OB in the tank... so much for bad fuel being the reason for its failure. If this were an issue all the forums and media would be baying for BMW's blood. We also don't know anything further about that incident. DCT boxes are not regularly failing from what I can tell except on cars making alot more power than stock.

Owning one of these cars out of plan is not impossible provided you don't also have car payments to deal with and you build up a decent repair fund. The people who struggle are both paying for installments AND have no motorplan or repair buffer. You can see it as these turbo M cars are now phasing from first to second or third owners at a faster pace (and like with every other car brand) are being purchased on finance used with limited plan remaining. I am on a group with a couple of guys who have recently bought Maseratis with a short amount (or no) plan remaining AND they have financed. First owner yes has taken the depreciation knock, but you are taking on a HUGE amount more risk in this scenario if you are not prepared for the repair bills (and Maseratis make M car repairs look cheap). Like I said, the price needs to be a LOT lower for it to make sense to buy relative to other examples with full motorplan.

I think there ABSOLUTELY is a market for people who would like to purchase these cars with no warranty or plan in SA... not from an affordability point of view, but from a modding perspective. Of course like with every other thing we complain about being victimised buy, you would soon find people in M4s sitting broken in back yards or without brakes because people would take on risk they didn't understand. According to a few people on a modern M car the saving with having no plan would be more like 200K than 400 or 500K that people assume though.

 

[Nick]

Shows how nice and cheap these cars would be if we had the option of buying without a plan.

So you pay R700k for this, get a bad batch of fuel, and then need to fork out R350k for a new engine (https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=76593) or get a broken one for R100k, fix it for another R100k. Then you are R900k deep into the car. As luck would have it, seeing how it happened recently, you drop a DCT box a month later. Another R200k to spend. Now you ower R1.1m on a used BMW when you could've had a new one and not worry. Touch wood nothing else breaks as you would then own the most expensive 2014 M in the country and you havent even serviced it or replaced the tires. Maybe you can make a couple of Memes about that or a bumper sticker to make your wallet feel better... Or maybe, as MP is for girls, you dont give a f*ck and look forward to the next challenge the M will throw in your direction.

*Remark removed

I like living on the edge.

Chill Max, you're going to blow a gasket getting so worked up.

 

[MaX]

Llew, fuel was just a hypothetical scenario. Its actually a discussion that rolled over from another thread. I agree 110% with everything you wrote!

---

Shows how nice and cheap these cars would be if we had the option of buying without a plan.

So you pay R700k for this, get a bad batch of fuel, and then need to fork out R350k for a new engine (https://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=76593) or get a broken one for R100k, fix it for another R100k. Then you are R900k deep into the car. As luck would have it, seeing how it happened recently, you drop a DCT box a month later. Another R200k to spend. Now you ower R1.1m on a used BMW when you could've had a new one and not worry. Touch wood nothing else breaks as you would then own the most expensive 2014 M in the country and you havent even serviced it or replaced the tires. Maybe you can make a couple of Memes about that or a bumper sticker to make your wallet feel better... Or maybe, as MP is for girls, you dont give a f*ck and look forward to the next challenge the M will throw in your direction.

* Remark removed

I like living on the edge.

Chill Max, you're going to blow a gasket getting so worked up.

Doesnt matter, I've got MP to cover...

 

[Nick]