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BMW Picking up P&P
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Bugger
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Look, those guys at Velocity in Cape Town are known to be a bit dodgy. I've dealt with them before. When I bought my M6 a few years ago I actually went there to look at an E64 M6, which had been on their floor for ages. It was "sold" the day I went to go check it, and was back on their floor within 10 days.
I was told that apparently the car had been in a major shunt somewhere along the line, and hadn't been disclosed when it was sold to the new owner. They tried to convince me to buy it but I'd already gotten my E63 by that stage.
They're the type of dealership where they sell to unlicensed buyers....actually says so on their showroom window.
I was told that apparently the car had been in a major shunt somewhere along the line, and hadn't been disclosed when it was sold to the new owner. They tried to convince me to buy it but I'd already gotten my E63 by that stage.
They're the type of dealership where they sell to unlicensed buyers....actually says so on their showroom window.
TurboLlew
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325iSmk2 said:Llew said:Also has around 7000km!
They'll probably also give some "innocent" reason even though the bonnet doesn't close. :roflol::biglol::roflol:
Had a quick chat in the interests of this discussion LOL. They aren't hiding the fact that it was repaired. Salesman was honest. Plan is indeed suspended due to the repair. Owner repaired it privately. Front bumper, headlights and grilles. Apparently all parts from BMW but plan was cancelled and also can't be reinstated. 'Still waiting for documents around the repair' LOL
Bugger said:
Yeah, no problem with selling (or buying) an accident damaged and repaired car. Problem is that if such a new and expensive car hasn't had its plan reinstated after the repair, alarm bells are going off - either it wasn't fixed properly (no insurance and fixed in someone's backyard), or was scrapped and is now a code 3, again repaired by cutting as many corners as possible.
Probably the same story with the M4 above.
R700k for 2013 M6! Wow that's a lot of car for the money. Sounds too good to be true, bet it is.
As far as modifying a car under MP, there is always a risk. Its just how you minimize the risk. Personally I couldn't take the risk on a new car. I started playing around with my car when it still had about 3 months left on plan and even then I stressed when it went in for routine things.
The ECU on these cars are so advanced I'm sure if BMW wanted to or needed to they can detect anything. If something normal fails they probably wouldn't look too hard. But if its a major thing, I sure they would look more as to the reasons behind the failure and spend more time and effort to void your plan.
Each to their own I guess.
As far as modifying a car under MP, there is always a risk. Its just how you minimize the risk. Personally I couldn't take the risk on a new car. I started playing around with my car when it still had about 3 months left on plan and even then I stressed when it went in for routine things.
The ECU on these cars are so advanced I'm sure if BMW wanted to or needed to they can detect anything. If something normal fails they probably wouldn't look too hard. But if its a major thing, I sure they would look more as to the reasons behind the failure and spend more time and effort to void your plan.
Each to their own I guess.
Bugger
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BMW are very particular about who a car goes to for repairs after an accident. If it's not an authorised ARC and a backyard panel beater, or unapproved panel beater, they'll potentially void the plan.
The biggest thing you'd need to remember with a car under plan is that there is always something that BMW can nail you on. Tracking a car under MP is a big no no. When I put my E90 M3 on the track, I had to take the plates off, cover the VIN details on the windows, the VIN on the windscreen. BMW state that if the car is driven in a manner that may potentially accelerate damage to the vehicle, your plan will be history.
So can you imagine, with cars BUILT for performance, how anal they must be about any sort of mod when it concerns their hardware computer wise in those cars? Eish.
The biggest thing you'd need to remember with a car under plan is that there is always something that BMW can nail you on. Tracking a car under MP is a big no no. When I put my E90 M3 on the track, I had to take the plates off, cover the VIN details on the windows, the VIN on the windscreen. BMW state that if the car is driven in a manner that may potentially accelerate damage to the vehicle, your plan will be history.
So can you imagine, with cars BUILT for performance, how anal they must be about any sort of mod when it concerns their hardware computer wise in those cars? Eish.
dvst8
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So, BMW generally dont "cancel" MP. Usually cancelled when a car is written off.
They do however suspend MP. They will suspend whenever flagged parts are bought on the VIN, any modifications found or the vehicle does not pass inspection.
When the MP is suspended, a comment is logged on the VIN. You can correct and have the car inspected again and if it passes, the MP is reinstated. There is a cost of between 1500-3000 depending on dealer. Note, the MP is suspended even when repairing at an ARC.
So, if it was SW or PnP, plan could have been reinstated but it will have a comment. Some claims may still be refuted.
Also, the car does not have to be repaired by an ARC to have the plan reinstated. Ive had 2 BMW's repaired by a non ARC, plan suspended on ordering parts, car inpected and MP reinstated.
So, the car in question if wasnt written off, could have MP reinstated but that would entail correctly repairing and inspection.
But, if it was water damage, may not be possible as in most cases water damage is written off.
They do however suspend MP. They will suspend whenever flagged parts are bought on the VIN, any modifications found or the vehicle does not pass inspection.
When the MP is suspended, a comment is logged on the VIN. You can correct and have the car inspected again and if it passes, the MP is reinstated. There is a cost of between 1500-3000 depending on dealer. Note, the MP is suspended even when repairing at an ARC.
So, if it was SW or PnP, plan could have been reinstated but it will have a comment. Some claims may still be refuted.
Also, the car does not have to be repaired by an ARC to have the plan reinstated. Ive had 2 BMW's repaired by a non ARC, plan suspended on ordering parts, car inpected and MP reinstated.
So, the car in question if wasnt written off, could have MP reinstated but that would entail correctly repairing and inspection.
But, if it was water damage, may not be possible as in most cases water damage is written off.
TurboLlew
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dvst8 said:
You are 100% right on the ARC. However, when I checked on the chip and software story before they said it cannot be reinstated and it is completely cancelled unless something has changed or dealers have conflicting stories (not impossible). In that case it wouldn't be an issue if you were caught and essentially 'fined' 3000 to reinstate plan. The warranty on the non-drivetrain related parts would however remain.
adamr said:
That's not quite true. Porsche SA will allow track driving on all cars covered by their drive plan, provided that the event is not timed (i.e. not competitive). This in my opinion is on, as competition racing is another cuppa altogether.
Here's one event (recent) where it was clearly stated that MP (Drive Plan) cars are allowed.
http://www.porscheclub.co.za/Porsch...main.nsf/web/0E7415631C24C729C1257EC20043ADFE
TurboLlew
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adamr said:
Maybe Porsche only events...
I was told directly and in no uncertain terms by the salesman that any use on the track of a GT3 or RS or Cayman for that matter would result in cancellation of plan for Zwartkops supertrax days as an example. Nissan gives you a massive lecture as well when you ask the question.
As far as events go, I have first-hand experience of a clause in my insurance stating that timed and competitive events are not covered but timed is fine. The headache to claim and the extent that they go to to prove it was timed or competitive is bad enough that I will never test that again be it through insurance or motorplan.
With Honda it was so easy. Never had an issue as long as I paid for a post-event oil change and check myself and didn't try funny business with plan. Cosmetic mods even in the engine bay were fine. Happily 'allowed' me to fit aftermarket adjustable suspension (of course no plan on suspension components after that). They even fitted my aftermarket exhaust, gauge senders etc. with no complaints and in some cases free if for example the oil filter was being changed anyway and they just had to pop an adapter in between. I drove the car into Honda Melrose looking like it came straight from the track several times and wasn't read the riot act and neither did I have to wait for a 'contact' to work on the car (Semis, Endless pads, stickers etc).
I think there should be some reason applied to enthusiast models and some understanding and lee-way from both sides ie: people not wanting to kill BMW's business by building race cars and doing R&D at their expense, driving an escalation in motorplan and other costs. On the other hand BMW should not want to void clients plans and warranties for any little item or track use provided some criteria are met (eg: pre and post check?)
TurboLlew
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Major said:Llew said:
Well they have to do someting to appeal to track or performance-minded buyers.
LOL At least there was the S2000 in the old days. All the new-car-buying-enthusiasts left after it and the CTR were killed.
Anyway here is another... seems to be overpriced given the M4 LOL
Hubblyking
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TurboLlew
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Hubblyking said:
Is that a current ad? That looks like it is this car:
http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-car-repl...set-wanted-for-cash/1001574353230910013038509
So you might be right...
There were a few F10s that sat at dealers for a long time with rubbish tyres and poor repair work... and no comments.
Not bad as a source for retrofit parts though if you are into that!
Chavoos
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Heard from 2 sources , one at bmw that MP was cancelled due to water meth installed. The bmw says he doesn't think they can detect JBs once removed. Has anyone had their MP cancelled due to having a JB and did BMW pick it up afterwards? Would be interesting and helpful if anyone knows ....
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TurboLlew
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Chavoos said:
Everyone's sources seem to be saying different things on these cars. On some of the groups guys were coming out and saying they had their plans canceled. There is talk about using the Transmission log or data to prove this. We have dealer staff on the forum who have read this post and not commented. Make of that what you will.
I guess the take out for us all from all of this is that if you have a jb4 remove it 100% no matter what contacts you think you have or how high up they are in the food chain or how small the reason is for the car going in to the dealer Also take it as though your car has no plan and if you never get caught count yourself lucky. Nobody thought VW would clamp down and now they can detect all sorts of things on cars that have the same hardware as they always have.
