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BMW Picking up P&P
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Sabretooth tiger
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Llew said:
You right yes
ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
Think of it this way, so you have a business with different "branches" servicing your products. If they making themselves guilty of misconduct, you would give them the boot.
So these "Friendly" contacts, are actually the ones placing the dealerships at risk. If you find there is constant problems of misconduct at one of those dealerships, it boils down to poor management, as these issues should be looked out for, and addressed.
BeemerFanatic
Events Organiser
I called this dealer last week.
MP cancelled, cannot be reinstated.
The only thing is the Alternator was replaced, they suspect that there was water damage and possible insurance fraud issues.
MP cancelled, cannot be reinstated.
The only thing is the Alternator was replaced, they suspect that there was water damage and possible insurance fraud issues.
zippy320
Well-known member
So sounds like this car could have had its motor plan cancelled for other reasons other then fitting on a performance mod?
I have always felt if your going to fit a mod to a car under motor-plan , you can consider the plan null and void , its your risk . Its like removing the warranty sticker on an electronic product so you can fiddle to improve the product and then trying to claim the product is not working correctly and expecting the manufacturer to replace the product at their cost for your stupidity.
Lets face it also , These car repairs are very costly , If some idiot mods the car , blows up its engine , and expects to have it replaced all the time , the cost is going to be passed on somewhere , Makes me wonder why motorplan cost so much more to extend nowadays compared to what it was before. Its just BMW protecting their business from fraudsters and in a way its customers .
I have always felt if your going to fit a mod to a car under motor-plan , you can consider the plan null and void , its your risk . Its like removing the warranty sticker on an electronic product so you can fiddle to improve the product and then trying to claim the product is not working correctly and expecting the manufacturer to replace the product at their cost for your stupidity.
Lets face it also , These car repairs are very costly , If some idiot mods the car , blows up its engine , and expects to have it replaced all the time , the cost is going to be passed on somewhere , Makes me wonder why motorplan cost so much more to extend nowadays compared to what it was before. Its just BMW protecting their business from fraudsters and in a way its customers .
George Smooth
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I have bought a car from them before and it was all good on the surface with a crash repair stated on the motorplan with rear suspension damage on one side. They showed me the paper work when I bought the car and explained how small it was.
When I took it back to trade it in two years later they identified every single panel had been sprayed or the car besides the front hood and one fender. They a class act. I landed selling the car for a packet of chips compared to what I paid.
Oh and I know of a few M3/4's that are flashed tuned so its not for granted that its a P&P.
When I took it back to trade it in two years later they identified every single panel had been sprayed or the car besides the front hood and one fender. They a class act. I landed selling the car for a packet of chips compared to what I paid.
Oh and I know of a few M3/4's that are flashed tuned so its not for granted that its a P&P.
adamr
Well-known member
Isn't there a log that workshops looks at...and if the numbers on that log are unusual that's how they pick up the car is chipped. And there is no way to hack the log. Wiping the file and installing the original will also be logged... I'm not a pro on this, as I ain't into chipping cars maybe someone can educate me (or others)
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TurboLlew
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adamr said:
I think there are a few parts to this. Current status seems to be that the error and exception logs can still be modified or deleted which is how everyone used to get away with it. The difference is that now the manufacturers are using 'other' modules and measures to infer whether a car has been modded or not (as well as physical inspections and setting examples with non-compliant dealers)... modules that tuners may or may not have direct access to. The DME encryption for example on the F10 M5 was only cracked a year ago (and car has been out since 2012).
The cars are also now 'calling home' when attached to diagnostics. With the massive amount of data being collected something out of 'normal' can easily be detected (which on balance is probably a great thing in terms of having repairs done and issues detected before catastrophic failure). In the new world of IoT and Cloud Computing, with future models we won't really have a view of what goes to HQ and what doesn't...
BeemerFanatic said:
I remembered after replying: If there was water damage, the car would have had the plan suspended and either have been written off or repaired by insurance and plan reinstated. If it was something like this it should still be possible to reinstate the plan.
r0ckf1re said:
I don't think we will know the real story given the comments above about insurance and Pharoah's business practices etc... unless the former owner is on here perhaps.
If anything this should serve as a warning to everyone running a JB4 to fully remove it regardless of what contacts you might have at a dealership.
adamr
Well-known member
I have it on account that this particular car was a trade in. The dealership took the car for a quality check after buying the car and that when Bmw said...sorry car is modded. So the dealership is taking a knock on this car. Apparently the "water meth holes were not closed "
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TurboLlew
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adamr said:
So the dealers are saying widely different things to different people? Looks like George Smooth is spot on LOL. With the way dealers operate, they surely have some protection against this kind of thing?
ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
I guess quite a bit cheaper, but they are warranting a drive train worth over 700K for 100000km... Unfortunately this is also probably what has led to BMW replacing and not repairing most things. The positive is that if you are on plan, then you get a brand new large component instead of having it repaired. However, if a car is out of plan something that could be repaired needs to be handled by a third party otherwise you have to fork out the cost of a complete motor or gearbox etc. With these 2 cars above, I think there is also the element of risk for the new buyer considering they don't and probably won't know the truth about the cars history (as low as their mileages are).
Bugger
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ChefDJ@TheFanatics said:
In Europe and the USA you have the option of a full service plan (so our MP) or just a warranty. It makes a massive difference to the cost of the vehicle. So it's an added value sale option from BMW, Audi etc. Some are willing to take the chance that if anything goes wrong it'll be a warranty claim, and pay for the servicing cash, rather than a "motorplan".
This is a much discussed topic, and I am in agreement with a few of you who have said that you mod, that's your risk. The MP is there to protect you, the dealership and the people providing the MP financial services. It's right that they cancel the MP if you mess around with the car. Simple really.
TurboLlew
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adamr said:Llew said:Also has around 7000km!
This one looks like it's been in a front knock. Those lines on the bonnet and fender don't all line up very well... A bit strange as you'd expect a top notch repair on such a car
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It does look odd.
Unfortunately I personally know folks in R1M+ cars that don't have comprehensive insurance... but that is another story
