BMW or Audi

[yush1]

I'd probably take a G7GTI over a 330d... But again, the size of the new 3 series more than anything is what puts me off it.

330d over a Golf GTI? No way, not even over a Golf 7R. 330d is in another league compared to a GTI:dunnoanymore:

 

[individj]

Golf 7R mmmmmm

 

[Gizmo]

I think many are still under the impression that all diesels sound the same when that is not the case. The modern inline six 3lt diesel powerplants from BMW are quiet, bulletproof reliability and brilliant in all areas and have so much potential for more power and torque and still give you 900-1000km on a tank average, not something you should overlook in these tough economic times.
330d gets my vote based on I keep my cars for many years and the 330d will outlast the others 3 fold.

 

[alkit]

Tried to test drive the 330d, but it was sold the next day
I will keep my eyes open for the 330d and 135i in my budget and test both.

A little off topic, but related to future searches:

1) Connected Drive real time traffic - is this any good. Is it worth looking for navigation and connected drive for this feature - I'm a heavy user of my tomtom with live traffic, and I'd only be too happy to replace it with a built in system - does this work as well as Google Maps/Waze/Tomtom

2) All reviews I have seen on a 135/140 complain about lack of limited slip differential. Do I even need to care about this if I'm not going out on the track?

 

[AshG108]

330d FTW!

best of both worlds and ticks the boxes you need ticked.

 

[Daredevil]

Tried to test drive the 330d, but it was sold the next day
I will keep my eyes open for the 330d and 135i in my budget and test both.

A little off topic, but related to future searches:

1) Connected Drive real time traffic - is this any good. Is it worth looking for navigation and connected drive for this feature - I'm a heavy user of my tomtom with live traffic, and I'd only be too happy to replace it with a built in system - does this work as well as Google Maps/Waze/Tomtom

2) All reviews I have seen on a 135/140 complain about lack of limited slip differential. Do I even need to care about this if I'm not going out on the track?

1. I’ve got connected drive on my car, it’s pretty cool and can be useful. But not sure how it compares to he apps you mentioned. I don’t think it’s a must have, however the screen resolution on the pro nav screen is really awesome.

2. I don’t miss an LSD on my 235i, but I don’t track the car. You can buy an LSD from bmw but if you’re driving it as a daily then I don’t think it’s necessary :dunnoanymore:

 

[novio]

Save and get a 530d sport pack:smilebounce:

 

[Preshen14]

A F30 328i or the 330D and Audi S3 are three great cars,

But you need to remember they in different leagues.

So you need to find what actually suits you. I would love to ride in a 330D but I am not a Diesel fan so I wouldn't buy\own one.

From my experience, I drove a few F30's, and hey, they great. I just feel they tooooo refined. That is not a bad thing, but I feel it is too electronic and controlled for my liking (Some people like it) It is one comfortable car. I look at them as the perfect daily.

Being a BM fan if those were my options I would still take the Audi S3 over the F30's.

You paying around the same price for the highest model in the Audi, but a few numbers down on the BM. Even that shouldn't be the reason not to take the F30, but for me my requirements for been practical is lower than most others as I don't have kids to start of with.

So in terms of modding, The S3 would be great! I also feel it is more sportier than the F30's and less civilised. Lol

This is just my opinion and preference.

 

[alkit]

Thanks for the replies.

So looking now to extend budget a bit a test drive a used M140i.

Why is the estoril blue the most common? Isn't more prone to hijacking and harder to keep clean?
I like alpine white (especially the contrast to the blue brakes), but for some reason it costs more than the blue

 

[aksamg]

Extend the budget a bit more and buy a used M3 :=):

 

[MR_Y]

Hi,
I know I might be subject to bias posting in a BMW forum, but I test drove 2 cars this week and am undecided which to get (or which others to look into).

I'm 30 years old - been driving a Honda Jazz for 8 years and it's come time to upgrade. I dont have a long drive to work and don't go on long drives that often, so I want something that is luxurious (put a smile on my face when I get in), but still really fun to drive (put a smile on my face when driving) and practical (be able to schlepp suitcases and stock (occasionally I go myself to work suppliers)), so no 3 door.

1) 2015 BMW 328i M Sport
As I got in it, I felt like I was in a quality car. The interior was of absolutely incredible high quality and finish. Really feels like a solid, well put together car.
Extras - sunroof, rear pdc, navigation, connecteddrive, adaptive cruise control, leather seats, keyless entry/start and the M sport styling kit, harmon kardon speakers
The Good
a) Leagues ahead of a 120i I drove a few weeks back. You can really feel the extra power and torque and it makes for a really awesome drive. I found the 120i to be a bit dull.
b) That ZF Transmission - it makes downshifts seem almost instantaneous - incredible for when you have to get power instantly and quickly - really makes one feel the turbo.
The Bad
a) Like the 120i, but even more exagerrated - the car feels "big". The big nose, the bigger body, makes me feel like I'm in a bigger car than I actually am. I'm not sure if this is something one gets used to, but felt less "nippy" by being so big.
b) Turbo lag - definitely feel it from start position (not sure if the 2015 model has launch control, and if it did, not sure how to activate). c) The 19 inch rims - definitely makes the car feel lower and makes one a bit nervous anytime a bump or small pothole comes up. Even more so when the BMW guy told me it costs R4500 per tire, never mind the rimms.
d) I understand what you guys mean about the engine noise - doesn't sound particularly exciting when it is revving.
e) Lastly, this car sitting on 76000km. Extending the motorplan by 2 years would then need me to extend to around 120k km, which shoots up the price incredibly.

At the end of the drive, I asked the BMW salesman which car he prefers - he told me the torque from diesel is incredible and he would take a diesel any day. I asked him for the closest diesel and he had a 330d (still within budget) on his floor. Unfortunately I ran out of time and had to go back to work, so I did not test drive it - so before I drive back there, would you guys recommend trying it out or will I not benefit from the diesel torque? Is diesel slow on pull off?

2) 2014 Audi S3
Small things as I got in. Firstly, I actually had to put a key into the ignition. Next, cloth seats - I'm not really a fan. The seats even had stains in from not being cleaned yet. Audi interior is not in the same class as BMW, but I still felt it was really good. The car itself looks incredible - subtle hints of sportiness - like a wolf in sheeps clothing
Extras - sunroof, B&O Speakers (yep, that's the end of the list)
The Good
a) Felt really nippy and great to drive
b) Tons of power, can definitely feel the turbo kicking in once going
c) Going round a sharp bend (managed to take it round 2 of them) - car did slide slightly but generally kept good grip.
d) That "calm but I'm gonna rip" engine noise and especially the burp when it changes gear - OMG!
The Bad
a) Tested 0-100km/h twice - took around 7 seconds. Not what I expected from an S3. This matches the timing in an 2017 A3 I drove a few weeks back.
b) Power - Although a few weeks have passed, I did not feel a significant power boost over the A3 2.0 I tested a few weeks back
c) Turbo Lag - On pull off from 0, the S3 just "leisurely" (for lack of a batter word) started going and eventually the turbo kicked in. In the A3 I tested a few weeks back, as soon as I hit the throttle, traction control light came on,wheels skidded ever so slightly and the car "launched" on pull off. I actually preferred the way the A3 did it to the way the S3 did
d) I didn't even ask Audi yet, but I have been informed that extending the Audi Freeway plan (maintenance plan) is a lot more expensive than BMW.

So with that said, I'm not really sold by the S3. But it could be that I drove a dud (or turbo was on the way out), I'm not sure. As it stands I don't see how it is much better than an A3 2017 (unless the 2017 models have improved that much?)

Next step? Is it worth driving back to test the 330d? Should I look for another S3 in my budget? Or push up budget slightly, wait 6 months and spec my personalised new A3?
Or, do I need to up my budget and just go for an M135i? (I just hate the fact that I have to "think" about petrol usage, and will never be happy going far distances at 13l/100km)

I had a 2010 A4 B8, 2014 A3 8V Sedan and a 2013 TT 8J. I recently bought an almost brand new 320d msport. I am still a member of Audi Club SA.

General pros and cons of BMW vs Audi.

Cons:
BMW visual/tactile quality is poor, even my Mazda CX-5 has a better looking/feeling interior. My 2010 A4 would easily knock the F30 for a six when it comes to premium quality.
Stay away from 19inch wheels. 18 inch is comfortable and sporty enough.


Pros:
All VAG (VW Audi) DSG or stronic gearboxes are crap. Even my well driven and well maintained TT started giving clutch pack issues at 85,000km and Audi were reluctant to fix the box, opting to rather do another software update. Nonsense.
The VAG manual cars are worse. The modern ones have softer clutch compounds that disintegrate when you drive it with some balls. Furthermore, Audi will decline any maintenance plan claims for clutches, blaming your driving style.
The oil consumption issue. ALL my Audis had oil consumption issues. And Audi do not honour any claims if your car uses up to 1 liter per 1000km. Crap again.
Standard tech on Audi is nowhere near BMW. You have to pay through your rectum to get the tech options on Audi.

I moved from my TT to the 320d and I am very happy. The 320d is the best real world car today. Watch the Chris Harris YouTube video where he reviews the Pre facelift F30 320d. I drove the latest B9 A4 TDI and it pales in comparison to the 320d. Trust me, the 320d is all the car you really need.




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[SubLoaded]

Hi,
I know I might be subject to bias posting in a BMW forum, but I test drove 2 cars this week and am undecided which to get (or which others to look into).

I'm 30 years old - been driving a Honda Jazz for 8 years and it's come time to upgrade. I dont have a long drive to work and don't go on long drives that often, so I want something that is luxurious (put a smile on my face when I get in), but still really fun to drive (put a smile on my face when driving) and practical (be able to schlepp suitcases and stock (occasionally I go myself to work suppliers)), so no 3 door.

1) 2015 BMW 328i M Sport
As I got in it, I felt like I was in a quality car. The interior was of absolutely incredible high quality and finish. Really feels like a solid, well put together car.
Extras - sunroof, rear pdc, navigation, connecteddrive, adaptive cruise control, leather seats, keyless entry/start and the M sport styling kit, harmon kardon speakers
The Good
a) Leagues ahead of a 120i I drove a few weeks back. You can really feel the extra power and torque and it makes for a really awesome drive. I found the 120i to be a bit dull.
b) That ZF Transmission - it makes downshifts seem almost instantaneous - incredible for when you have to get power instantly and quickly - really makes one feel the turbo.
The Bad
a) Like the 120i, but even more exagerrated - the car feels "big". The big nose, the bigger body, makes me feel like I'm in a bigger car than I actually am. I'm not sure if this is something one gets used to, but felt less "nippy" by being so big.
b) Turbo lag - definitely feel it from start position (not sure if the 2015 model has launch control, and if it did, not sure how to activate). c) The 19 inch rims - definitely makes the car feel lower and makes one a bit nervous anytime a bump or small pothole comes up. Even more so when the BMW guy told me it costs R4500 per tire, never mind the rimms.
d) I understand what you guys mean about the engine noise - doesn't sound particularly exciting when it is revving.
e) Lastly, this car sitting on 76000km. Extending the motorplan by 2 years would then need me to extend to around 120k km, which shoots up the price incredibly.

At the end of the drive, I asked the BMW salesman which car he prefers - he told me the torque from diesel is incredible and he would take a diesel any day. I asked him for the closest diesel and he had a 330d (still within budget) on his floor. Unfortunately I ran out of time and had to go back to work, so I did not test drive it - so before I drive back there, would you guys recommend trying it out or will I not benefit from the diesel torque? Is diesel slow on pull off?

2) 2014 Audi S3
Small things as I got in. Firstly, I actually had to put a key into the ignition. Next, cloth seats - I'm not really a fan. The seats even had stains in from not being cleaned yet. Audi interior is not in the same class as BMW, but I still felt it was really good. The car itself looks incredible - subtle hints of sportiness - like a wolf in sheeps clothing
Extras - sunroof, B&O Speakers (yep, that's the end of the list)
The Good
a) Felt really nippy and great to drive
b) Tons of power, can definitely feel the turbo kicking in once going
c) Going round a sharp bend (managed to take it round 2 of them) - car did slide slightly but generally kept good grip.
d) That "calm but I'm gonna rip" engine noise and especially the burp when it changes gear - OMG!
The Bad
a) Tested 0-100km/h twice - took around 7 seconds. Not what I expected from an S3. This matches the timing in an 2017 A3 I drove a few weeks back.
b) Power - Although a few weeks have passed, I did not feel a significant power boost over the A3 2.0 I tested a few weeks back
c) Turbo Lag - On pull off from 0, the S3 just "leisurely" (for lack of a batter word) started going and eventually the turbo kicked in. In the A3 I tested a few weeks back, as soon as I hit the throttle, traction control light came on,wheels skidded ever so slightly and the car "launched" on pull off. I actually preferred the way the A3 did it to the way the S3 did
d) I didn't even ask Audi yet, but I have been informed that extending the Audi Freeway plan (maintenance plan) is a lot more expensive than BMW.

So with that said, I'm not really sold by the S3. But it could be that I drove a dud (or turbo was on the way out), I'm not sure. As it stands I don't see how it is much better than an A3 2017 (unless the 2017 models have improved that much?)

Next step? Is it worth driving back to test the 330d? Should I look for another S3 in my budget? Or push up budget slightly, wait 6 months and spec my personalised new A3?
Or, do I need to up my budget and just go for an M135i? (I just hate the fact that I have to "think" about petrol usage, and will never be happy going far distances at 13l/100km)

I had a 2010 A4 B8, 2014 A3 8V Sedan and a 2013 TT 8J. I recently bought an almost brand new 320d msport. I am still a member of Audi Club SA.

General pros and cons of BMW vs Audi.

Cons:
BMW visual/tactile quality is poor, even my Mazda CX-5 has a better looking/feeling interior. My 2010 A4 would easily knock the F30 for a six when it comes to premium quality.
Stay away from 19inch wheels. 18 inch is comfortable and sporty enough.


Pros:
All VAG (VW Audi) DSG or stronic gearboxes are crap. Even my well driven and well maintained TT started giving clutch pack issues at 85,000km and Audi were reluctant to fix the box, opting to rather do another software update. Nonsense.
The VAG manual cars are worse. The modern ones have softer clutch compounds that disintegrate when you drive it with some balls. Furthermore, Audi will decline any maintenance plan claims for clutches, blaming your driving style.
The oil consumption issue. ALL my Audis had oil consumption issues. And Audi do not honour any claims if your car uses up to 1 liter per 1000km. Crap again.
Standard tech on Audi is nowhere near BMW. You have to pay through your rectum to get the tech options on Audi.

I moved from my TT to the 320d and I am very happy. The 320d is the best real world car today. Watch the Chris Harris YouTube video where he reviews the Pre facelift F30 320d. I drove the latest B9 A4 TDI and it pales in comparison to the 320d. Trust me, the 320d is all the car you really need.




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I think you're referring to the multitronic box and not the s-tronic. I've got a 2013 A4 B8.5 and it doesn't know what s-tronic is (I stand to be corrected) :fencelook: Also, no oil consumption issues from my side.

 

[Yuben]

If I were in your position and this is my opinion purely is I would take the S3, I am sure your 0-100 testing was without launch control...put it at robot, engage lc, let it build boost and let rip.. These things can lc all day long..lastly the brakes are actual anchors compared to the f series, they take abuse and are actually over engineered for its use.. I have spent enough time peddling my brother in laws S3 and it's damn impressive for a daily drive.. Lots of entertainment value, a truly better sound and infotainment system which bmw doesn't understand how to make..

Comparing to a 328i or 330d I would grab the s3.. Put a M135/335i in the mix then things change...

Good luck!

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+1000 on this

 

[Dirtydeedsman]

Hi,
I know I might be subject to bias posting in a BMW forum, but I test drove 2 cars this week and am undecided which to get (or which others to look into).

I'm 30 years old - been driving a Honda Jazz for 8 years and it's come time to upgrade. I dont have a long drive to work and don't go on long drives that often, so I want something that is luxurious (put a smile on my face when I get in), but still really fun to drive (put a smile on my face when driving) and practical (be able to schlepp suitcases and stock (occasionally I go myself to work suppliers)), so no 3 door.

1) 2015 BMW 328i M Sport
As I got in it, I felt like I was in a quality car. The interior was of absolutely incredible high quality and finish. Really feels like a solid, well put together car.
Extras - sunroof, rear pdc, navigation, connecteddrive, adaptive cruise control, leather seats, keyless entry/start and the M sport styling kit, harmon kardon speakers
The Good
a) Leagues ahead of a 120i I drove a few weeks back. You can really feel the extra power and torque and it makes for a really awesome drive. I found the 120i to be a bit dull.
b) That ZF Transmission - it makes downshifts seem almost instantaneous - incredible for when you have to get power instantly and quickly - really makes one feel the turbo.
The Bad
a) Like the 120i, but even more exagerrated - the car feels "big". The big nose, the bigger body, makes me feel like I'm in a bigger car than I actually am. I'm not sure if this is something one gets used to, but felt less "nippy" by being so big.
b) Turbo lag - definitely feel it from start position (not sure if the 2015 model has launch control, and if it did, not sure how to activate). c) The 19 inch rims - definitely makes the car feel lower and makes one a bit nervous anytime a bump or small pothole comes up. Even more so when the BMW guy told me it costs R4500 per tire, never mind the rimms.
d) I understand what you guys mean about the engine noise - doesn't sound particularly exciting when it is revving.
e) Lastly, this car sitting on 76000km. Extending the motorplan by 2 years would then need me to extend to around 120k km, which shoots up the price incredibly.

At the end of the drive, I asked the BMW salesman which car he prefers - he told me the torque from diesel is incredible and he would take a diesel any day. I asked him for the closest diesel and he had a 330d (still within budget) on his floor. Unfortunately I ran out of time and had to go back to work, so I did not test drive it - so before I drive back there, would you guys recommend trying it out or will I not benefit from the diesel torque? Is diesel slow on pull off?

2) 2014 Audi S3
Small things as I got in. Firstly, I actually had to put a key into the ignition. Next, cloth seats - I'm not really a fan. The seats even had stains in from not being cleaned yet. Audi interior is not in the same class as BMW, but I still felt it was really good. The car itself looks incredible - subtle hints of sportiness - like a wolf in sheeps clothing
Extras - sunroof, B&O Speakers (yep, that's the end of the list)
The Good
a) Felt really nippy and great to drive
b) Tons of power, can definitely feel the turbo kicking in once going
c) Going round a sharp bend (managed to take it round 2 of them) - car did slide slightly but generally kept good grip.
d) That "calm but I'm gonna rip" engine noise and especially the burp when it changes gear - OMG!
The Bad
a) Tested 0-100km/h twice - took around 7 seconds. Not what I expected from an S3. This matches the timing in an 2017 A3 I drove a few weeks back.
b) Power - Although a few weeks have passed, I did not feel a significant power boost over the A3 2.0 I tested a few weeks back
c) Turbo Lag - On pull off from 0, the S3 just "leisurely" (for lack of a batter word) started going and eventually the turbo kicked in. In the A3 I tested a few weeks back, as soon as I hit the throttle, traction control light came on,wheels skidded ever so slightly and the car "launched" on pull off. I actually preferred the way the A3 did it to the way the S3 did
d) I didn't even ask Audi yet, but I have been informed that extending the Audi Freeway plan (maintenance plan) is a lot more expensive than BMW.

So with that said, I'm not really sold by the S3. But it could be that I drove a dud (or turbo was on the way out), I'm not sure. As it stands I don't see how it is much better than an A3 2017 (unless the 2017 models have improved that much?)

Next step? Is it worth driving back to test the 330d? Should I look for another S3 in my budget? Or push up budget slightly, wait 6 months and spec my personalised new A3?
Or, do I need to up my budget and just go for an M135i? (I just hate the fact that I have to "think" about petrol usage, and will never be happy going far distances at 13l/100km)

I had a 2010 A4 B8, 2014 A3 8V Sedan and a 2013 TT 8J. I recently bought an almost brand new 320d msport. I am still a member of Audi Club SA.

General pros and cons of BMW vs Audi.

Cons:
BMW visual/tactile quality is poor, even my Mazda CX-5 has a better looking/feeling interior. My 2010 A4 would easily knock the F30 for a six when it comes to premium quality.
Stay away from 19inch wheels. 18 inch is comfortable and sporty enough.


Pros:
All VAG (VW Audi) DSG or stronic gearboxes are crap. Even my well driven and well maintained TT started giving clutch pack issues at 85,000km and Audi were reluctant to fix the box, opting to rather do another software update. Nonsense.
The VAG manual cars are worse. The modern ones have softer clutch compounds that disintegrate when you drive it with some balls. Furthermore, Audi will decline any maintenance plan claims for clutches, blaming your driving style.
The oil consumption issue. ALL my Audis had oil consumption issues. And Audi do not honour any claims if your car uses up to 1 liter per 1000km. Crap again.
Standard tech on Audi is nowhere near BMW. You have to pay through your rectum to get the tech options on Audi.

I moved from my TT to the 320d and I am very happy. The 320d is the best real world car today. Watch the Chris Harris YouTube video where he reviews the Pre facelift F30 320d. I drove the latest B9 A4 TDI and it pales in comparison to the 320d. Trust me, the 320d is all the car you really need.




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I think you're referring to the multitronic box and not the s-tronic. I've got a 2013 A4 B8.5 and it doesn't know what s-tronic is (I stand to be corrected) :fencelook: Also, no oil consumption issues from my side.

Same here, I have the S tronic and that thing is not lazy at all. In Dynamic mode the gear changes are so hardcore you'd swear the gearbox is going to come out but its amazing. Never had to add oil to it and i've done over 20000km since getting it

I know of oil consumption issues on the B8 and B8.5 that affected the 1.8T and 2.0T and you had to get an engine overall done to replace the piston number 3 and all the rings. That one is a well documented issue.

The optional extras issue well... that is just across the board all manufactures

 

[MR_Y]

Hi,
I know I might be subject to bias posting in a BMW forum, but I test drove 2 cars this week and am undecided which to get (or which others to look into).

I'm 30 years old - been driving a Honda Jazz for 8 years and it's come time to upgrade. I dont have a long drive to work and don't go on long drives that often, so I want something that is luxurious (put a smile on my face when I get in), but still really fun to drive (put a smile on my face when driving) and practical (be able to schlepp suitcases and stock (occasionally I go myself to work suppliers)), so no 3 door.

1) 2015 BMW 328i M Sport
As I got in it, I felt like I was in a quality car. The interior was of absolutely incredible high quality and finish. Really feels like a solid, well put together car.
Extras - sunroof, rear pdc, navigation, connecteddrive, adaptive cruise control, leather seats, keyless entry/start and the M sport styling kit, harmon kardon speakers
The Good
a) Leagues ahead of a 120i I drove a few weeks back. You can really feel the extra power and torque and it makes for a really awesome drive. I found the 120i to be a bit dull.
b) That ZF Transmission - it makes downshifts seem almost instantaneous - incredible for when you have to get power instantly and quickly - really makes one feel the turbo.
The Bad
a) Like the 120i, but even more exagerrated - the car feels "big". The big nose, the bigger body, makes me feel like I'm in a bigger car than I actually am. I'm not sure if this is something one gets used to, but felt less "nippy" by being so big.
b) Turbo lag - definitely feel it from start position (not sure if the 2015 model has launch control, and if it did, not sure how to activate). c) The 19 inch rims - definitely makes the car feel lower and makes one a bit nervous anytime a bump or small pothole comes up. Even more so when the BMW guy told me it costs R4500 per tire, never mind the rimms.
d) I understand what you guys mean about the engine noise - doesn't sound particularly exciting when it is revving.
e) Lastly, this car sitting on 76000km. Extending the motorplan by 2 years would then need me to extend to around 120k km, which shoots up the price incredibly.

At the end of the drive, I asked the BMW salesman which car he prefers - he told me the torque from diesel is incredible and he would take a diesel any day. I asked him for the closest diesel and he had a 330d (still within budget) on his floor. Unfortunately I ran out of time and had to go back to work, so I did not test drive it - so before I drive back there, would you guys recommend trying it out or will I not benefit from the diesel torque? Is diesel slow on pull off?

2) 2014 Audi S3
Small things as I got in. Firstly, I actually had to put a key into the ignition. Next, cloth seats - I'm not really a fan. The seats even had stains in from not being cleaned yet. Audi interior is not in the same class as BMW, but I still felt it was really good. The car itself looks incredible - subtle hints of sportiness - like a wolf in sheeps clothing
Extras - sunroof, B&O Speakers (yep, that's the end of the list)
The Good
a) Felt really nippy and great to drive
b) Tons of power, can definitely feel the turbo kicking in once going
c) Going round a sharp bend (managed to take it round 2 of them) - car did slide slightly but generally kept good grip.
d) That "calm but I'm gonna rip" engine noise and especially the burp when it changes gear - OMG!
The Bad
a) Tested 0-100km/h twice - took around 7 seconds. Not what I expected from an S3. This matches the timing in an 2017 A3 I drove a few weeks back.
b) Power - Although a few weeks have passed, I did not feel a significant power boost over the A3 2.0 I tested a few weeks back
c) Turbo Lag - On pull off from 0, the S3 just "leisurely" (for lack of a batter word) started going and eventually the turbo kicked in. In the A3 I tested a few weeks back, as soon as I hit the throttle, traction control light came on,wheels skidded ever so slightly and the car "launched" on pull off. I actually preferred the way the A3 did it to the way the S3 did
d) I didn't even ask Audi yet, but I have been informed that extending the Audi Freeway plan (maintenance plan) is a lot more expensive than BMW.

So with that said, I'm not really sold by the S3. But it could be that I drove a dud (or turbo was on the way out), I'm not sure. As it stands I don't see how it is much better than an A3 2017 (unless the 2017 models have improved that much?)

Next step? Is it worth driving back to test the 330d? Should I look for another S3 in my budget? Or push up budget slightly, wait 6 months and spec my personalised new A3?
Or, do I need to up my budget and just go for an M135i? (I just hate the fact that I have to "think" about petrol usage, and will never be happy going far distances at 13l/100km)

I had a 2010 A4 B8, 2014 A3 8V Sedan and a 2013 TT 8J. I recently bought an almost brand new 320d msport. I am still a member of Audi Club SA.

General pros and cons of BMW vs Audi.

Cons:
BMW visual/tactile quality is poor, even my Mazda CX-5 has a better looking/feeling interior. My 2010 A4 would easily knock the F30 for a six when it comes to premium quality.
Stay away from 19inch wheels. 18 inch is comfortable and sporty enough.


Pros:
All VAG (VW Audi) DSG or stronic gearboxes are crap. Even my well driven and well maintained TT started giving clutch pack issues at 85,000km and Audi were reluctant to fix the box, opting to rather do another software update. Nonsense.
The VAG manual cars are worse. The modern ones have softer clutch compounds that disintegrate when you drive it with some balls. Furthermore, Audi will decline any maintenance plan claims for clutches, blaming your driving style.
The oil consumption issue. ALL my Audis had oil consumption issues. And Audi do not honour any claims if your car uses up to 1 liter per 1000km. Crap again.
Standard tech on Audi is nowhere near BMW. You have to pay through your rectum to get the tech options on Audi.

I moved from my TT to the 320d and I am very happy. The 320d is the best real world car today. Watch the Chris Harris YouTube video where he reviews the Pre facelift F30 320d. I drove the latest B9 A4 TDI and it pales in comparison to the 320d. Trust me, the 320d is all the car you really need.




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I think you're referring to the multitronic box and not the s-tronic. I've got a 2013 A4 B8.5 and it doesn't know what s-tronic is (I stand to be corrected) :fencelook: Also, no oil consumption issues from my side.

Multitronic came out on the 1.8tfsi and 2.0tdi in the B8 models. Multitronic is a CVT and I hate it. That was the reason why my A4 B8 1.8tfsi was a manual. Audi have since 2016 junked all multitronics in their new cars and now just have s-tronics (dual clutch autos) and tiptronics (normal autos). The 6 speed manuals are still available on the basic models. My A4 and A3 sedan were manuals. The TT was s-tronic.

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[FerdiBotha]

Multitronic is hands down the worst gearbox I have ever dealt with.

That initial lag, lack of revs and outright laziness just makes for a boring and ultimately slow drive.

 

[individj]

Hi,
I know I might be subject to bias posting in a BMW forum, but I test drove 2 cars this week and am undecided which to get (or which others to look into).

I'm 30 years old - been driving a Honda Jazz for 8 years and it's come time to upgrade. I dont have a long drive to work and don't go on long drives that often, so I want something that is luxurious (put a smile on my face when I get in), but still really fun to drive (put a smile on my face when driving) and practical (be able to schlepp suitcases and stock (occasionally I go myself to work suppliers)), so no 3 door.

1) 2015 BMW 328i M Sport
As I got in it, I felt like I was in a quality car. The interior was of absolutely incredible high quality and finish. Really feels like a solid, well put together car.
Extras - sunroof, rear pdc, navigation, connecteddrive, adaptive cruise control, leather seats, keyless entry/start and the M sport styling kit, harmon kardon speakers
The Good
a) Leagues ahead of a 120i I drove a few weeks back. You can really feel the extra power and torque and it makes for a really awesome drive. I found the 120i to be a bit dull.
b) That ZF Transmission - it makes downshifts seem almost instantaneous - incredible for when you have to get power instantly and quickly - really makes one feel the turbo.
The Bad
a) Like the 120i, but even more exagerrated - the car feels "big". The big nose, the bigger body, makes me feel like I'm in a bigger car than I actually am. I'm not sure if this is something one gets used to, but felt less "nippy" by being so big.
b) Turbo lag - definitely feel it from start position (not sure if the 2015 model has launch control, and if it did, not sure how to activate). c) The 19 inch rims - definitely makes the car feel lower and makes one a bit nervous anytime a bump or small pothole comes up. Even more so when the BMW guy told me it costs R4500 per tire, never mind the rimms.
d) I understand what you guys mean about the engine noise - doesn't sound particularly exciting when it is revving.
e) Lastly, this car sitting on 76000km. Extending the motorplan by 2 years would then need me to extend to around 120k km, which shoots up the price incredibly.

At the end of the drive, I asked the BMW salesman which car he prefers - he told me the torque from diesel is incredible and he would take a diesel any day. I asked him for the closest diesel and he had a 330d (still within budget) on his floor. Unfortunately I ran out of time and had to go back to work, so I did not test drive it - so before I drive back there, would you guys recommend trying it out or will I not benefit from the diesel torque? Is diesel slow on pull off?

2) 2014 Audi S3
Small things as I got in. Firstly, I actually had to put a key into the ignition. Next, cloth seats - I'm not really a fan. The seats even had stains in from not being cleaned yet. Audi interior is not in the same class as BMW, but I still felt it was really good. The car itself looks incredible - subtle hints of sportiness - like a wolf in sheeps clothing
Extras - sunroof, B&O Speakers (yep, that's the end of the list)
The Good
a) Felt really nippy and great to drive
b) Tons of power, can definitely feel the turbo kicking in once going
c) Going round a sharp bend (managed to take it round 2 of them) - car did slide slightly but generally kept good grip.
d) That "calm but I'm gonna rip" engine noise and especially the burp when it changes gear - OMG!
The Bad
a) Tested 0-100km/h twice - took around 7 seconds. Not what I expected from an S3. This matches the timing in an 2017 A3 I drove a few weeks back.
b) Power - Although a few weeks have passed, I did not feel a significant power boost over the A3 2.0 I tested a few weeks back
c) Turbo Lag - On pull off from 0, the S3 just "leisurely" (for lack of a batter word) started going and eventually the turbo kicked in. In the A3 I tested a few weeks back, as soon as I hit the throttle, traction control light came on,wheels skidded ever so slightly and the car "launched" on pull off. I actually preferred the way the A3 did it to the way the S3 did
d) I didn't even ask Audi yet, but I have been informed that extending the Audi Freeway plan (maintenance plan) is a lot more expensive than BMW.

So with that said, I'm not really sold by the S3. But it could be that I drove a dud (or turbo was on the way out), I'm not sure. As it stands I don't see how it is much better than an A3 2017 (unless the 2017 models have improved that much?)

Next step? Is it worth driving back to test the 330d? Should I look for another S3 in my budget? Or push up budget slightly, wait 6 months and spec my personalised new A3?
Or, do I need to up my budget and just go for an M135i? (I just hate the fact that I have to "think" about petrol usage, and will never be happy going far distances at 13l/100km)

I had a 2010 A4 B8, 2014 A3 8V Sedan and a 2013 TT 8J. I recently bought an almost brand new 320d msport. I am still a member of Audi Club SA.

General pros and cons of BMW vs Audi.

Cons:
BMW visual/tactile quality is poor, even my Mazda CX-5 has a better looking/feeling interior. My 2010 A4 would easily knock the F30 for a six when it comes to premium quality.
Stay away from 19inch wheels. 18 inch is comfortable and sporty enough.


Pros:
All VAG (VW Audi) DSG or stronic gearboxes are crap. Even my well driven and well maintained TT started giving clutch pack issues at 85,000km and Audi were reluctant to fix the box, opting to rather do another software update. Nonsense.
The VAG manual cars are worse. The modern ones have softer clutch compounds that disintegrate when you drive it with some balls. Furthermore, Audi will decline any maintenance plan claims for clutches, blaming your driving style.
The oil consumption issue. ALL my Audis had oil consumption issues. And Audi do not honour any claims if your car uses up to 1 liter per 1000km. Crap again.
Standard tech on Audi is nowhere near BMW. You have to pay through your rectum to get the tech options on Audi.

I moved from my TT to the 320d and I am very happy. The 320d is the best real world car today. Watch the Chris Harris YouTube video where he reviews the Pre facelift F30 320d. I drove the latest B9 A4 TDI and it pales in comparison to the 320d. Trust me, the 320d is all the car you really need.




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I think you're referring to the multitronic box and not the s-tronic. I've got a 2013 A4 B8.5 and it doesn't know what s-tronic is (I stand to be corrected) :fencelook: Also, no oil consumption issues from my side.

Same here, I have the S tronic and that thing is not lazy at all. In Dynamic mode the gear changes are so hardcore you'd swear the gearbox is going to come out but its amazing. Never had to add oil to it and i've done over 20000km since getting it

I know of oil consumption issues on the B8 and B8.5 that affected the 1.8T and 2.0T and you had to get an engine overall done to replace the piston number 3 and all the rings. That one is a well documented issue.

The optional extras issue well... that is just across the board all manufactures

I've had no oil consumption issues with my A5...S Tronic is amazing when it works but there is a very big chance that it will fail like mine has & will cost a fortune if out of warranty

 

[r0ckf1re]

Multitronic is hands down the worst gearbox I have ever dealt with.

That initial lag, lack of revs and outright laziness just makes for a boring and ultimately slow drive.

Agree, which is why I also opted for a manual. The manuals are nice till you start getting spirited. Audi were nice enough to change my clutch at 13k. I never had any oil issue though.