BMW E30 325i vs E36 M3 which is a better investment?

WynandRoos

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Hi guys!

I’m finding it hard to decide which of these two vehicles would be the better long term investment. I deeply desired both these vehicles at different times of my live and they would have equal sentimental appeal - What would you do and why?


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rudolphc83

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Personally I would go for the E36 M3. E30 325i is grand theft auto waiting to happen. The looks of the M3 is much more appealing too in my books.
 

cOlDFuSiOn

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To me the E30 is a really iconic shape, I love them too. But the 325is is the one you want as a collector's piece.. Given what mint ones go for it makes the choice obvious that the E36 M3 is a better option given your 2 choices.
Finding a mint E36 M3 is another mission too, but if it was me I would go for the coveted M badge all day every day. E30 and E36 prices for the right models will go up, but that is exactly that, the Right models.. So if I were to choose I would find a E36 M3 and get it fixed up. My 2c.
 

WynandRoos

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YUBEN said:
I would say E30 325iS vs E36 M3 would be a better comparison.


The 325is is is extremely rare and cost upwards of R400k whilst you can still get a pretty good m3 for below R250k though...


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NBN

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How much do you have to spend?

If you're looking at Investment Bmw's, this would be the cars on my list
1) E28 M5
2) E30 325iS Evo2
3) E30 Pillarless 325i convertible
4) E46 M3 CSL
5) E82 1M
6) 2002tti
7) 535 MLE

Granted non of the above cars are cheap, but they are cars that are seriously on the upper scale of the market, highly desirable, highly collectible
 

mattblackza

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Tough one. I think you need to look at a few factors, but the three key ones are:
1. Where is the market now?
2. Where do you see the market going?
3. What will it cost you to own?

E30 325i.
A quick glance at Gumtree doesn't give much away, but the global market sites show that they've levelled off around $16 000/R230 000 for the really nice ones. They've been hanging around there for the last 3-6 months.

Cost of Ownership is a tougher one. Insurance in SA will certainly hurt, with the known desire for these cars among those who don't want to pay for them. I don't have any experience regarding what they cost to run, but if you want to make money on it you'll need to buy better parts than some of the generics on sale from some retailers. I can't see that being cheap.

So applying our questions:
1. Stable at R230 000 for a nice one.
2. This is more subjective, but I can't see them going up very much. Nice ones might go up a little bit, but a 325i is not a R300 000 driving experience or particularly unique & interesting. I think this will reflect in the relative lack of growth for them.
3. As much as any nice older car with a high insurance premium. I think the cost of ownership will outstrip any growth you might see in the sales price.

The E36 M3
This one is far more interesting. The local market has cars being advertised from R140 000 - R400 000. I'm not sure what they're actually selling at, but in this economy, I think the selling prices might be far less. So that's something.

Where might the market go? Well, late 1990s BMWs are the current "hot" trend. E39 M5, E46 M3, M Coupe are all climbing in value. And as they become more valuable, the associated models tend to enjoy some of that growth, so things look good for the E36 M3.
The other factor I can see in the E36s favour is the wet-blanket M3 that the Americans got. (Theirs came out with 179Kw vs the 210kW/239kW the rest of the world got). As such, American collectors are showing interest in the more powerful version and joy of joys, from 2020, the 239kW 3.2 E36 M3 will be eligible for import into the United States. European hot hatches have gained value when they were importable, and JDM classics have enjoyed similar growth. So there is an opportunity here.

Then, ownership cost. M3s come in 2 versions: Ones that were R400k and have been beaten and abused to a value of R140k and ones that were loved and nurtured. Each comes with their own cost of ownership profile. On the beaters, you're spending money to make them just work. But the unicorns need love, care and good parts to maintain their value.

Running the three questions:
1. The market is all over. But unicorns seem to be advertising for north of R300k.
2. I foresee this growing. A mixture of the American market opening up and the general drift from the E46 and E39s growth means great ones will pick up in value. I don't think you'll see the crazy numbers we've seen for E46 M3s but there will be growth.
3. Incredibly dependant on the one you get. If its a turkey, expect it steal your wallet and run off with it. If it's a good one, parts will be a little pricey but nothing dramatic. One of the worst cases of "it depends"

So to answer your question:
E36 M3, but be careful about the one you buy.
Please feel free to disagree if you think my process is wrong. Good luck!
 

WynandRoos

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mattblackza said:
Tough one. I think you need to look at a few factors, but the three key ones are:
1. Where is the market now?
2. Where do you see the market going?
3. What will it cost you to own?

E30 325i.
A quick glance at Gumtree doesn't give much away, but the global market sites show that they've levelled off around $16 000/R230 000 for the really nice ones. They've been hanging around there for the last 3-6 months.

Cost of Ownership is a tougher one. Insurance in SA will certainly hurt, with the known desire for these cars among those who don't want to pay for them. I don't have any experience regarding what they cost to run, but if you want to make money on it you'll need to buy better parts than some of the generics on sale from some retailers. I can't see that being cheap.

So applying our questions:
1. Stable at R230 000 for a nice one.
2. This is more subjective, but I can't see them going up very much. Nice ones might go up a little bit, but a 325i is not a R300 000 driving experience or particularly unique & interesting. I think this will reflect in the relative lack of growth for them.
3. As much as any nice older car with a high insurance premium. I think the cost of ownership will outstrip any growth you might see in the sales price.

The E36 M3
This one is far more interesting. The local market has cars being advertised from R140 000 - R400 000. I'm not sure what they're actually selling at, but in this economy, I think the selling prices might be far less. So that's something.

Where might the market go? Well, late 1990s BMWs are the current "hot" trend. E39 M5, E46 M3, M Coupe are all climbing in value. And as they become more valuable, the associated models tend to enjoy some of that growth, so things look good for the E36 M3.
The other factor I can see in the E36s favour is the wet-blanket M3 that the Americans got. (Theirs came out with 179Kw vs the 210kW/239kW the rest of the world got). As such, American collectors are showing interest in the more powerful version and joy of joys, from 2020, the 239kW 3.2 E36 M3 will be eligible for import into the United States. European hot hatches have gained value when they were importable, and JDM classics have enjoyed similar growth. So there is an opportunity here.

Then, ownership cost. M3s come in 2 versions: Ones that were R400k and have been beaten and abused to a value of R140k and ones that were loved and nurtured. Each comes with their own cost of ownership profile. On the beaters, you're spending money to make them just work. But the unicorns need love, care and good parts to maintain their value.

Running the three questions:
1. The market is all over. But unicorns seem to be advertising for north of R300k.
2. I foresee this growing. A mixture of the American market opening up and the general drift from the E46 and E39s growth means great ones will pick up in value. I don't think you'll see the crazy numbers we've seen for E46 M3s but there will be growth.
3. Incredibly dependant on the one you get. If its a turkey, expect it steal your wallet and run off with it. If it's a good one, parts will be a little pricey but nothing dramatic. One of the worst cases of "it depends"

So to answer your question:
E36 M3, but be careful about the one you buy.
Please feel free to disagree if you think my process is wrong. Good luck!


WOW! What an awesome response, you are a legend - thanks man!


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Peter@AEW

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A clean 40000Km 1994 M3=R500 000 plus
A clean 325iS no stories +150000Kms =R600000
An average to clean 325 Shadowline +180000Kms =R250000

Irrespective of the present economy collectibles will always have and maintain a value which will categorise them as expensive in an up or down economy.

I recently did work on an early 1994 M3 where the car presented well and was sold at roughly R250k. The new owner spent R180k getting it to where he is almost happy.

If you are considering entering that market do so by buying the most expensive example you can afford and have a thorough examination done on the car by getting prices on whatever needs doing.

In the case of E30 325 cars many parts are NLA as is the case with the E36 M3 Coupe.
Do not think that you can "make a plan" in getting parts.

I would propose that an E46 M3 with low Ks may be the better route as they too will eventually become desirable as has been the case with the E30-E36.

In closing it is worth remembering that the most expensive M car you can buy is a cheap one.

Good luck with your search.
 

WynandRoos

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Peter@AEW said:
A clean 40000Km 1994 M3=R500 000 plus
A clean 325iS no stories +150000Kms =R600000
An average to clean 325 Shadowline +180000Kms =R250000

Irrespective of the present economy collectibles will always have and maintain a value which will categorise them as expensive in an up or down economy.

I recently did work on an early 1994 M3 where the car presented well and was sold at roughly R250k. The new owner spent R180k getting it to where he is almost happy.

If you are considering entering that market do so by buying the most expensive example you can afford and have a thorough examination done on the car by getting prices on whatever needs doing.

In the case of E30 325 cars many parts are NLA as is the case with the E36 M3 Coupe.
Do not think that you can "make a plan" in getting parts.

I would propose that an E46 M3 with low Ks may be the better route as they too will eventually become desirable as has been the case with the E30-E36.

In closing it is worth remembering that the most expensive M car you can buy is a cheap one.

Good luck with your search.


That’s great advice, thanks so much!!!


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