BMW 320d vs Audi A4 2.0tdi

[ASH]

A low revving diesel, a drivers car............................:yuck:

Flame suit on.....................:fencelook:

320d is a better drivers car. Drive them both and decide. We all have different opinions. I wouldn't touch an Audi, thanks. I'm sure they're great and that people who drive them love them, but when you want to have fun, BMW wins every time.

2c aside, I have 3 letters: R W D

 

[cOlDFuSiOn]

The Q5 will weigh a lot more than the A4, so the A4 will performance be better. Q5 has Quattro so therefore adds weigh over and above the visible size difference.

Agree, Audi do make better quality interiors, hands down.

Disagree on test drives, Audi do let you test drive vehicles if there is one available.

I drive the current A6 2.0Tdi, and you really cant tell that it is a FWD, there is virtually no torque steer through the steering wheel, which is characteristic to FWD vehicles. Especially on a big FWD diesel, it really surprises you that it can be hustled through the corners quickly. The RWD BMWs are definitely more fun in the corners, but that is a BMW trait, Audi's however will excel in other areas.

FWD = meh :yuck:

In honesty I think the audi interior is a bit nicer than the stock BMs.. That I will give them but performance/consumption wise the F30 320d is tops..:thumbs:
Have a Q5 2.0TDI around and it's slow.. trust me.. so I doubt the A4 is much quicker, I would not know as audi refuse to let customers testdrive their vehicles so... again meh :yuck:

A6 is a better car than the A4 IMHO.. The thing with the Q5 is that the engine feels lazy unlike my F30 that is what I meant, with mine the response is immediate due to the twinscroll turbo. Not sure what turbo setup audi uses but it just feels more relaxed when I drive it.. I do love driving the Q5 though very awesome car to have around don't get me wrong raise:

You are lucky then I have had bad experiences with both audi and vw, would not let me drive the B8 when I wanted one.. Then I backed out of the deal to purchase when they did not let me drive it.. Drove straight to BMW and sourced the 1st F30 I could get my hands on.. They sourced a dealer dar within 10mins and we went for a spin.

I have only ever pushed my RWD BMs and the Polo TDi through the corners so I guess I prefer the BMs..

Comes down to personal choice I guess :thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Josh-ZN]

A low revving BMW diesel, a better drivers car than a low revving audi fwd diesel ............................:yuck:

Flame suit on.....................:fencelook:

320d is a better drivers car. Drive them both and decide. We all have different opinions. I wouldn't touch an Audi, thanks. I'm sure they're great and that people who drive them love them, but when you want to have fun, BMW wins every time.

2c aside, I have 3 letters: R W D

i corrected your post in bold above. you getting like our media misquoting people :roflol:

 

[RAArmstrong]

I own a 2.0tdi... Granted the old 103kw... Have driven BMW's N47 powered E60 520d and its a completely different Animal... After having driven that my TDI felt like a 1.6 polo or something :fencelook:

 

[LevanM]

I drive a Polo :fencelook: Feels better than a Audi :thumbdo:

LOL just joking but the Polo is not so bad...

Personal preference will always rule :thumbs:

 

[RAArmstrong]

Nothing wrong with a polo bud, very good cars :thumbs: Just the first thing that came to mind with smaller engine :rollsmile:

 

[Midas335i]

A low revving diesel, a drivers car............................:yuck:

Yes and your 325 is so fast :biglol:

 

[LevanM]

Nothing wrong with a polo bud, very good cars :thumbs: Just the first thing that came to mind with smaller engine :rollsmile:

hehe, if it was up to me the Polo with be a distant Memory and id still have my S3 but the chick is attached to it so i make do with it :rollsmile:

Its a fun Toy to have but so slow

 

[ASH]

HAHAHA very funny, never said it was fast, but at least it revs up to 7000rpm, and has immediate torque on throttle through corners and sounds great in doing so............

Yep the 325 is as slow as yours is common...........:thumbs:

:roflol:

A low revving diesel, a drivers car............................:yuck:

Yes and your 325 is so fast :biglol:

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Point taken, but not necessarily the better car!!!

& this is true..............:roflol:

A low revving BMW diesel, a better drivers car than a low revving audi fwd diesel ............................:yuck:

Flame suit on.....................:fencelook:

320d is a better drivers car. Drive them both and decide. We all have different opinions. I wouldn't touch an Audi, thanks. I'm sure they're great and that people who drive them love them, but when you want to have fun, BMW wins every time.

2c aside, I have 3 letters: R W D

i corrected your post in bold above. you getting like our media misquoting people :roflol:

 

[Midas335i]

and has immediate torque on throttle

Oh yes and a 320d has only has 380nm of torque :roflol:

 

[ASH]

But u have to wait for the turbo to spool up the boost so that 380nm is not available immediately in-corner.............gosh........do I have to explain with little pictures and drawings..........:roflol:

and has immediate torque on throttle

Oh yes and a 320d has only has 380nm of torque :roflol:

 

[Midas335i]

The torque is adequate right up till 4500rpm

Turbo lag isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be :fencelook:

 

[ASH]

Its just a feel, N/A BMW engines have very linear torque deliveries, therefore the feel you get mid corner and when powering through when exiting is very consistent...........with the turbo cars it is different.

 

[ChefDJ]

Well I think both are nice, but If I had the choice to go buy one new I would go for the Audi

2.0TDi S Auto - 375k
2.0TDI SE Auto - 390k

320d Auto - 430k
320d Sports Auto - 435k

The bmw is quicker on paper by like .3 will hardly notice that.

But everyone's choice differs - but a F30 330d :inlove:

Well, let us try to compare apples with apples (manual):


Price
320d: R 412 000
A4 2.0 TDI: R358 000

1-100
320d: 7,5 sekonds
A4 2.0 TDI: 8,2 sekonds

Top speed
320d: 235 km/h
A4 2.0 TDI: 230 km/h

Economy
320d: 4,5 l/100km
A4 2.0 TDI: 4,5 l/100km

Wow, I never actually realised it was this close. The BM is a bit quicker out of the blocks, but not by a hell of a lot. The price difference however, is considerable! R54 000.

Tell you what….I love my 320d to bits, but let me tell you, the price difference is really enough here to make things very interesting. As and when I replace my current ride, I am definitely going to be paying AUDI a visit, and test drive an A4.

I have not owned a new Audi over the last few years so I have no idea how the ride and build quality compares. Those are the factors I think you would need most to investigate.

There we go. :thumbs:

 

[DieselFan]

having owned Audi's most of my life, if you think BMW service is bad, wait until you run into a problem outside the scope of the regular service and maintenance with Audi :roflol:

bmw, no matter what model, just have brilliant driving dynamics. audi are all over the place in comparison. maybe its the rwd vs fwd thing. i had quattro and my bmw just feels so much better to drive.

bmw every single day of the week.

now if you said A4 3.0TDI vs BMW 320d, i would still choose the BMW even if they were the same price :rollsmile:

My friends clutch and flywheel died, the words Audi used was "disintegrated" firstly the were very rude to him say "you better hope we don't find software on the car". His car is a stock standard 2011 A3 1.8T. They down right refused to replace the parts saying it was from "abuse". Now he had to get the flywheel and clutch through Audi to keep the rest of the MP in tact. R25 000 later.

After that he was totally off Audi and wanted to get rid of his A3. Audi offered him less on trade then BMW (about R15 000). :bangdesk:

He is awaiting is out the box 125i msport :rollsmile: . Yes some convincing was done on my part. hehe. Now i get to drive a 1 series! :rollsmile:

 

[Mrcloc]

Its just a feel, N/A BMW engines have very linear torque deliveries, therefore the feel you get mid corner and when powering through when exiting is very consistent...........with the turbo cars it is different.

Not anymore. The E90 LCI 320ds already had a power delivery similar to N/A.

 

[ters]

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Ters.

 

[ASH]

I've driven them many times, 320d, 330d, Lci and pre-facelift, and the Audi Tdi models as well. From my experience with the auto vehicles, under hard cornering, you have to wait a bit for the thrust from the turbo to push you out of the corners, as I said its just feel when driving at near the limit. What happens is you end up with the turbo really launching you forward when you have exited the corner, as there isn't an instant torque delivery to the wheels, with the turbo having to spool up boost again. With a N/A car you can balance and play with throttle in the corner, left foot brake a bit etc, its actually weird sometimes with the diesel mid corner sometimes you can press the accelerator and there will be nothing there.

I'm talking about split seconds here, but it is the difference to where you power out of corners. This is the reason why I prefer the n/a engines.

Its just a feel, N/A BMW engines have very linear torque deliveries, therefore the feel you get mid corner and when powering through when exiting is very consistent...........with the turbo cars it is different.

Not anymore. The E90 LCI 320ds already had a power delivery similar to N/A.

 

[Mrcloc]

I've driven them many times, 320d, 330d, Lci and pre-facelift, and the Audi Tdi models as well. From my experience with the auto vehicles, under hard cornering, you have to wait a bit for the thrust from the turbo to push you out of the corners, as I said its just feel when driving at near the limit. What happens is you end up with the turbo really launching you forward when you have exited the corner, as there isn't an instant torque delivery to the wheels, with the turbo having to spool up boost again. With a N/A car you can balance and play with throttle in the corner, left foot brake a bit etc, its actually weird sometimes with the diesel mid corner sometimes you can press the accelerator and there will be nothing there.

I'm talking about split seconds here, but it is the difference to where you power out of corners. This is the reason why I prefer the n/a engines.

Its just a feel, N/A BMW engines have very linear torque deliveries, therefore the feel you get mid corner and when powering through when exiting is very consistent...........with the turbo cars it is different.

Not anymore. The E90 LCI 320ds already had a power delivery similar to N/A.

I know exactly what you mean. My 05 320d had lots of lag. Going sideways wasn't the most elegant thing. With my 320i that power modulation was better. But now with my LCI 320d it feels very close to N/A. It's not quite the same, but if you're driving hard and changing gears yourself there isn't a noticeable difference. In D normal driving is where I feel that lag.

That said, big N/A engines > small turbo engines. Sound alone is already a win. But turbos make sense at the reef. And I can't afford the fuel consumption costs on a 325i, so I have a 320d.

 

[Bayn46]

Regardless of performance, just have a look on autotrader and you'll see 2010 and 2011 A4's going for under 200k - I wouldn't be keen on buying a car that depreciates by more than 50% in 2-3 years.