AIR FILTER DEBATE

zippy320

Well-known member
The difference between the two filters that I had noticed was that with the OEM filter , the one side of the filter housing ( That side towards the engine ) was clean , no dust or sand particles . With the K&N filter I noticed dust on both sides as well as some light small grains of sand , with the filter itself leaving small oil spots on the other side that goes towards the engine area. I had not oiled the filter it came preoiled from factory and I was told not to oil it until it needs to be cleaned. I also noticed that it kind of looked filthy in that it seemed to get blocked up quickly so restricting airflow I would assume .

Isn't crankcase oil blowby after the AFM or Air mass meter? So cant damage the sensor. , im possibly confusing something here lol

Everything is drawn into the filters haha , I remember finding leaves , cigarettes , stones , twigs etc on the before filter side of my airbox .

I think the air intake systems on cars are very efficient in their design im sure it can be improved but to me it does what it supposed to do, Hose (those plastic pieces) from grill to airbox to suck in cold air through to air filter and out the other side .

Cold air is important because it is denser , contains more oxygen, so you get more oxygen into the engine , gives you more power , better detonation , economy etc more oxygen is good . That is why I can never understand those people who fit cone filters IN their engine bays , an Engine bay gets hot , this cone filter is sucking in HOT engine air . Hows that supposed to give you better performance?

I think it does matter what filter we fit to our cars , the filter is supposed to filter out dust dirt and other items from the air . If dust had to go in , I would assume in the long run it could cause increased wear and damage to our engines sort of like sandpaper against metal , as well as premature degradation of the oil as that dust would inevitably mix with the oil .



Twinz said:
I have a few rethorical questions but i will ask it anyway.

What is drawn into the filter? Air? And lets assume "dust" as well for those with aftermarket filters.

Why is that "cold" air important for the motor?

Where does that air/dust go to? Into the engine...to the turbos for those who are forcefed...?

What else is drawn into the intake filter path?

What about all that crankase oil blowby that is ejected into the filter path?

So it looks like the filter has to deal with air...dust...and also further into the intake tract...oil..contaminants etc.

If the answer to the above questions are true or at least a maybe....then does it really matter what filter we slap on?

Or do we need a better more efficient air intake system?

What is the most environmentally friendly way to discard the oil contaminants thats pumped into the air intake tract?

Okay...i may be missing the point of the discussion but had those questions filtering through my head.:smilebounce:
 

abmi0000

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For me, it was never really about any performance gains. I keep my cars long enough to justify a reusable filter against the repeat purchase of OEM. 2-3 filter replacements and you are already yielding some savings. Also, with a washable filter, I can clean it every 6-8000kms without it costing the same as an OEM filter. No filter can pass air efficiently if you are waiting for your service interval like that on OEM. Filters need to be cleaned way more frequently than we are led to believe.

My 2c :smilebounce:
 

//M SPORT

Member
Having a performance filter can definitely make a difference to performance. Its a matter of tuning. No point doing hardware mods to any car without tuning it. Whilst there are learning ECU's now days, they may not take full advantage of the additional air coming through, but there could be a diff, sometimes negative diff as some cars ECU's can be very fussy.

With regards to the dust, that can be a decision changer especially if you around many sandy areas. But then also consider your PCV sends oil via your intake and that's usually after the filter (and also after the MAF), so how much dust is negligible..

I personally have filters on all my cars (besides the HULK).
- RunX RSi currently at 245000km aftermarket filer since 90k and engine is still in excellent condition.
- RXi currently at 299500 aftermarket filter since 150k - no issues, or accelerated wear and tear.
- 323i 251000km, with aftermarket filter recently. I felt a slight performance diff on my but dyno but then the 323i intake is choked from the factory. Any help to the intake makes some diff. l also put a 328 exhaust which increased overall breathing.

I say for the price , its worth a try....

323i
 

Jerry_112

Member
Thank you for all the feedback guys...the responses were on either side of the fence and well balanced indeed - and it seems that the dirt factor / issue cannot be put to rest confidently.

Guess this will be a debate long into the future until we all go electric :smilebounce:
 

Dax

Active member
Cool video

so it is more about Airflow (Design of intake) and it shows that K&N and the like can make a difference if your car can go past the breakeven point.
 

zippy320

Well-known member
The vid only shows power increase / decrease , not real world driving conditions , this would be great for a drag car or something of that sort or short term use. If used on a daily driven car your headed for trouble as it does not show us how well the filter actually filters out dirt , Which is the actual purpose of a filter in the first place. There has to be a balance between airflow and filtering ability .

I think this site was a good read .

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html
 

Jerry_112

Member
zippy320 said:
The vid only shows power increase / decrease , not real world driving conditions , this would be great for a drag car or something of that sort or short term use. If used on a daily driven car your headed for trouble as it does not show us how well the filter actually filters out dirt , Which is the actual purpose of a filter in the first place. There has to be a balance between airflow and filtering ability .

I think this site was a good read .

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

This article is great! Exactly what I was looking for. Guess the debate is settled. We all agree that more air intake is better for the engine hence cone and other performance filters, but that dirt intake should be considered to improve engine longevity. :smilebounce:

In any event, I have already installed the OEM air filter. Engine health > performance, especially since I do not have a performance car which needs to breathe as much. :fencelook:
 

moranor@axis

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zippy320 said:
The vid only shows power increase / decrease , not real world driving conditions , this would be great for a drag car or something of that sort or short term use. If used on a daily driven car your headed for trouble as it does not show us how well the filter actually filters out dirt , Which is the actual purpose of a filter in the first place. There has to be a balance between airflow and filtering ability .

I think this site was a good read .

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

very good test data in this read it some time ago

the big question that seems to have no answer is how much dust and what size dust causes damage to engines?

K&N meet the minimum filtration criteria put forward by OEMs and in recent years some have even fitted oiled cotton from factory on performance models

there are many cars running oiled cotton without adverse effects to talk of does this mean there is no damage? or is the damage just so slow it is in most cases irrelevant

unfortunately there really dont seem to be answers
 
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