330D DAMAGED MOTOR?

[ChefDJ]

You guys need to realise that you are shortening the lifespan of a turbo car by bringing it up to the Reef as the turbo experiences more stresses in the higher altitude as it spins faster and gets hotter due to the thinner air. Now throw our poor diesel fuel into the mix plus an aggressive tune that spins the turbo even faster/hotter and its no surprise this car is on its 3rd turbo already...
Most turbo failures happen here at the reef, not at the coast.
My advise is leave the car stock if you want longevity, the more performance you extract out of it the quicker its going to break, pure and simple.

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Don't race.

 

[netercol]

You guys need to realise that you are shortening the lifespan of a turbo car by bringing it up to the Reef as the turbo experiences more stresses in the higher altitude as it spins faster and gets hotter due to the thinner air. Now throw our poor diesel fuel into the mix plus an aggressive tune that spins the turbo even faster/hotter and its no surprise this car is on its 3rd turbo already...
Most turbo failures happen here at the reef, not at the coast.
My advise is leave the car stock if you want longevity, the more performance you extract out of it the quicker its going to break, pure and simple.

dont quite agree with this.. while its true that a turbo works harder in our thinner air, and obviously that reliability goes down when performance goes up, these 3 litre diesels are rock solid engines.

there are plenty heavily tuned 330d's running around with no issues. the turbo is a medium frame unit and even at higher than stock boost never reaches the rotational speeds that smaller units such as fitted to a 320d for example reach at stock boost..

the issue is more the palookas that work on these engines.. remove an injector and ideally the seat should be refaced with the correct cutting tool, and a new copper seal used.. how many mechs do that when removing injectors? even the tinyest piece of dirt entering a disconnected pipe or injector while removed can totally screw up an injector.. it works at 1600 bar pressure, at tolerances you will not believe.. how many workshops work that clean?

the turbo's fail because they get starved of oil or a foreign object goes through them .. thats about it. how many cars had their crank breather filter replaced even under motorplan? when a turbo does fail, how many mechs remove all the piping, intercooler, inlet to make sure not a single piece of the destroyed turbo stays behind? one small piece going through the turbine at speed is all it takes to destroy the next replacement turbo..

then the turbo itself.. its a piece of engineering where the rotational parts reach 100k rpm at top speed.. take it apart and you better know what you are doing.. one chipped turbine/compressor blade actually means a scrap turbo, i mean how unbalanced is that lot gonna be at 100k? use a chinese replacement core and you can be damn sure they did not use the same alloys/material that garrett did.. once again at 100k rpm/800 deg celcius how long will that stay together?

im obviously defending the 3liter diesel spesifically here.. some turbo cars do suffer unacceptable failure rates here at the reef.. but the 330d is not one of them..

 

[RAArmstrong]

I'm also of the belief that the M57 is a magnificent engine! Needs to be looked after as does any engine! As well as worked on by somebody that;
1. Knows what they're doing and
2. Actually gives a damn about their workmanship.

 

[S1NGH 911]

Seems like this specific car has been around the blocks.........


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[RAArmstrong]

Yep... Seems like it

 

[Nuts4wheels]

You guys need to realise that you are shortening the lifespan of a turbo car by bringing it up to the Reef as the turbo experiences more stresses in the higher altitude as it spins faster and gets hotter due to the thinner air. Now throw our poor diesel fuel into the mix plus an aggressive tune that spins the turbo even faster/hotter and its no surprise this car is on its 3rd turbo already...
Most turbo failures happen here at the reef, not at the coast.
My advise is leave the car stock if you want longevity, the more performance you extract out of it the quicker its going to break, pure and simple.

dont quite agree with this.. while its true that a turbo works harder in our thinner air, and obviously that reliability goes down when performance goes up, these 3 litre diesels are rock solid engines.

there are plenty heavily tuned 330d's running around with no issues. the turbo is a medium frame unit and even at higher than stock boost never reaches the rotational speeds that smaller units such as fitted to a 320d for example reach at stock boost..

the issue is more the palookas that work on these engines.. remove an injector and ideally the seat should be refaced with the correct cutting tool, and a new copper seal used.. how many mechs do that when removing injectors? even the tinyest piece of dirt entering a disconnected pipe or injector while removed can totally screw up an injector.. it works at 1600 bar pressure, at tolerances you will not believe.. how many workshops work that clean?

the turbo's fail because they get starved of oil or a foreign object goes through them .. thats about it. how many cars had their crank breather filter replaced even under motorplan? when a turbo does fail, how many mechs remove all the piping, intercooler, inlet to make sure not a single piece of the destroyed turbo stays behind? one small piece going through the turbine at speed is all it takes to destroy the next replacement turbo..

then the turbo itself.. its a piece of engineering where the rotational parts reach 100k rpm at top speed.. take it apart and you better know what you are doing.. one chipped turbine/compressor blade actually means a scrap turbo, i mean how unbalanced is that lot gonna be at 100k? use a chinese replacement core and you can be damn sure they did not use the same alloys/material that garrett did.. once again at 100k rpm/800 deg celcius how long will that stay together?

im obviously defending the 3liter diesel spesifically here.. some turbo cars do suffer unacceptable failure rates here at the reef.. but the 330d is not one of them..

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I'm also of the belief that the M57 is a magnificent engine! Needs to be looked after as does any engine! As well as worked on by somebody that;
1. Knows what they're doing and
2. Actually gives a damn about their workmanship.

I also believe that this is a magnificent motor. All true as you have said. When I opened the motor, it screamed "abuse". Any motor is only as good as it is treated. While these motors can handle a good hammering now and then, i dont think there is a single engine that can maintain this all the time, not even F1 Motors.

 

[Gizmo]

I get what you saying and agree with it but physics and stats don't lie, good luck with the rebuild.:thumbs:

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I still believe diesels and runflat tyres to be a European thing and will never work here in Africa. btw I wouldn't touch or own a diesel motor, not now or ever! Gizmo out.

 

[DieselFan]

I get what you saying and agree with it but physics and stats don't lie, good luck with the rebuild.:thumbs:

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I still believe diesels and runflat tyres to be a European thing and will never work here in Africa. btw I wouldn't touch or own a diesel motor, not now or ever! Gizmo out.

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On both counts I disagree.

Runflats are good if its your gf/wife/sister driving the car. You dont want her changing a tyre on the highway next to a township.

Why will a diesel not work in Africa... ? Our fuel is too bad for them to get to high mileage? My e46 has 417k kms on the clock. Original turbo, motor has NEVER been opened. Still revs VERY smooth, accelerates VERY smooth. And I'm sure the engine will go to 1 000 000kms.

 

[S1NGH 911]

Fully agree with DieselFan....

Some people seem to oppose progression.....

RFT's and Diesel FTW lol, I don't fancy stopping on the side of the road at 02:00 in the morning to change a tyre....... Neither do I fancy running up a steep fuel bill for daily commuting......


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[herr bmw]

hated diesel and turbos after my episode with a Volkswagen golf 5.

but was surprized with the navara ,now going for 190 000km and no problems with turbo ,which started swaying me back to diesel turbos.now after reading thread/post after another about 320d decided to go the 330d route,now N57 motor is bullet proof and even heard this from BMW themselves,but I have to agree that if you abuse a motor, whether by driver abuse or neglect to service regular or neglect by mechanics,that any motor,petrol,diesel,turbo or normal aspirated will fail.

the navara gets serviced every 7500 km and I belive that this is the reason why it has the kilos it does,i am also doing this on the bm and hope to get same hassle free motoring.i also belive if any motor gets serviced regular will last many 100 000km,just look at flash gordan's e39 528,400 000km and going strong

 

[Gizmo]

I would still like the option of being able to change the tyre saving it instead of destroying it costing you a brand new tyre and maybe a rim every time you get a puncture...Just another way BMW can bleed more money out of you!
How is a runflat going to help you when you run over a brick/rock in the road and your wheel is not round anymore, remember this is Africa, not Germany!

As for the other, diesels need a better standard of mechanics which isn't a problem in Europe because they are so strict over there, poor quality shops are shut down very quickly by the authorities. Here in sunny Africa there is virtually nothing stopping poor quality businesses from operating and "Frikkie" who once fixed his own tractor is now a diesel mechanic working on your beloved BMW tractor...We don't have the right qualified people for modern diesel engines on this continent nor the authorities to regulate it, period. Hence the reason the OP started this thread in the first place...

 

[herr bmw]

I would still like the option of being able to change the tyre saving it instead of destroying it costing you a brand new tyre and maybe a rim every time you get a puncture...Just another way BMW can bleed more money out of you!
How is a runflat going to help you when you run over a brick/rock in the road and your wheel is not round anymore, remember this is Africa, not Germany!

As for the other, diesels need a better standard of mechanics which isn't a problem in Europe because they are so strict over there, poor quality shops are shut down very quickly by the authorities. Here in sunny Africa there is virtually nothing stopping poor quality businesses from operating and "Frikkie" who once fixed his own tractor is now a diesel mechanic working on your beloved BMW tractor...We don't have the right qualified people for modern diesel engines on this continent nor the authorities to regulate it, period. Hence the reason the OP started this thread in the first place...

only Nissan work on the navara and only BMW work on my 330d,normally a dealer does not skimp on sending there mechanics on courses where as the guy on the corner cant afford to

now don't get me wrong,there are good mechanics out there that don't work for a dealership,but they are usually hard to find

 

[RAArmstrong]

At the risk of starting a war (not my intention at all!)

You do get some dealers that are just as bad... I recall Fordkoppie's M3 still having the original filters in it (never been changed)

Though it seems like you have a good dealer Colin :thumbs:

 

[Gizmo]

Colin's dealer may treat him brilliantly yet at the same time they treat other customers poorly, absolutely every dealer is like this, way too much see-saw action going on with service delivery in this unregulated country of ours...

 

[RAArmstrong]

100%

 

[S1NGH 911]

I would still like the option of being able to change the tyre saving it instead of destroying it costing you a brand new tyre and maybe a rim every time you get a puncture...

We don't have the right qualified people for modern diesel engines on this continent

:roflol: have you used a run flat before, rather dramatic story there, I've had many punctures in the past 10 years with RFT's, plugged them and all was good, never had a damaged rim due to a puncture with a RFT............. Don't knock it till you've tried it.........

I beg to differ there, there are some upstanding mechanics and dealers in this country alone, who possess mind-blowing knowledge wrt to these "modern Diesel engines"

 

[Gizmo]

:roflol: have you used a run flat before, rather dramatic story there, I've had many punctures in the past 10 years with RFT's, plugged them and all was good, never had a damaged rim due to a puncture with a RFT............. Don't knock it till you've tried it.........

Have you any idea what the inside of a runflat looks like when you have driven on it with it deflated, the entire sidewall starts to break apart rendering the tyre non salvageable...:nonono:

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I don't need to try it myself to know its kak...

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I beg to differ there, there are some upstanding mechanics and dealers in this country alone, who possess mind-blowing knowledge wrt to these "modern Diesel engines"

Please do tell us who and where they are.

 

[S1NGH 911]

:slow: bold statement

If that claim had any credibility RFT's would be no more like leaded fuel at the pumps :yuck:

 

[RAArmstrong]

 

[S1NGH 911]

Lol, Warren your attitude is crap dude :roflol: stuck in the dark ages :joy:

Feel free to PM and I'll refer some upstanding mechanics


Moving on................