325i or Scirocco?

[double-n]

Scirococo is about R350k. The 135i is awesome, but the rear seats are tiny, while the Sciroco can still accommodate 4 people in comfort. I still need to have the space for more people once in a while. I have checked this - I easily fit into the back of the Scirocco, while I struggle to get into the back of even a 5 door 1 series :cursin:. Plus the new 1 series is on its way.

But yeah this is getting more complicated - a 135i would be brilliant as a daily driver.

P.S. VW is already starting to irritate me. The lady I'm dealing with hasn't called me back yet (she said she would have done that yesterday morning).

nooit dude We took a trip to Tarlton and to Sun City 4 up. Just slap the chicks in the back and your golden

It's not the M5 which has space for 7 people but it's decent. And it is MILES better looking and quicker than the scirocococo.

Why oh why did you show me pics of one in that colour... :drool:

 

[Bumfluff]

Heya guys, I have had a bunch of cars and have access to a whole lot (see profile). I've also had access to E90 330d, 530i A4 1.8T (140kw) and currently E350, E280 over and above my cars. I had the Golf V GTI DSG from new and traded it on after 9 months for a POLO TDi!!! GTI is 'suppossed' to be a good allrounder - no doubt it is - but rattles like a box of smarties:nono: The polo rattles too but at least I'm getting what I'm paying for. My E36 328 Ind with the 17's doesn't rattle... If I was in your shoes, save the bucks and go for 135i, failing that buy a proper VW - get the S3 :dropjaw: if you don't need the rear - if you do get the S3 Sportback. You won't regret it.

Sorry guys, for those of you who waste your bucks on 320i coupe or Z4 2.0 :hammerhead: I'm of the opinion you need looks and performance, or just performance. But looks and no go ain't cool, especially if your'e paying 400k+ for a 4 potter :cursin:

 

[freerider]

The first time I went in a 135i I was extremely surprised at how hard they pull. Lovely little cars.

 

[andrewbuch]

135i FTW :thumbsup:

 

[biofreak]

Why oh why did you show me pics of one in that colour... :drool:

hehe, check here: http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=1868

 

[freerider]

Yeah these people paying almost 500k for a 320i coupe are insane IMHO.

 

[Mike1]

Hello guys

1. The Scirocco does not use the TFSI engine. It use the new TSI engine which produces 147kw (Dynoed at about 160kw though) and is extremely capable. No clatter and a throatier and more meaningful sound. Because it uses a combination of turbo and supercharger means the power is similar to that of a NA type vehicle. You laugh but take it for a drive and you will understand.

2. The 135i is not in the same league as the Scirocco. If you want a direct equivelant from the VW range you wont find one unless you go for the 3.6 Haldex controlled Passat CC. Similar story with the S3.

3. If you want S3 power and modability get your paws on a Seat Cupra. They come on the same chassis as the Golf 5. And produce 177kw from the factory as they have the S3 engine and KO4 turbo.

Double-N:

If you want someone who can sort the car out for you in a proffessional manner give me a shout. I dont work for VW but I have dealt with them and know who to talk to. For this reason I can mention that there is no difference between VW and BMW service. I have huge amounts of experience in this unfortunately.

Mike

 

[biofreak]

Hello guys

1. The Scirocco does not use the TFSI engine. It use the new TSI engine which produces 147kw (Dynoed at about 160kw though) and is extremely capable. No clatter and a throatier and more meaningful sound. Because it uses a combination of turbo and supercharger means the power is similar to that of a NA type vehicle. You laugh but take it for a drive and you will understand.

2. The 135i is not in the same league as the Scirocco. If you want a direct equivelant from the VW range you wont find one unless you go for the 3.6 Haldex controlled Passat CC. Similar story with the S3.

3. If you want S3 power and modability get your paws on a Seat Cupra. They come on the same chassis as the Golf 5. And produce 177kw from the factory as they have the S3 engine and KO4 turbo.

Double-N:

If you want someone who can sort the car out for you in a proffessional manner give me a shout. I dont work for VW but I have dealt with them and know who to talk to. For this reason I can mention that there is no difference between VW and BMW service. I have huge amounts of experience in this unfortunately.

Mike

1. Get your facts right... There is no 2.0 that uses this method. The engine is an exact copy of the GTi engine. 2.0 16v turbo'd with a k03. There are only slight differences between the two.

2. At the price point we are talking about the two cars DO compete...

VW Servicing is a joke compared to BMW Mp. Honestly... You can't compare the two.

 

[freerider]

WRT point number 2 there Mike, I think the argument was that for the same kind of money you can get a 135i which is way quicker than a scorococo

 

[Mike1]

Ok.

1. Get your facts right... There is no 2.0 that uses this method. The engine is an exact copy of the GTi engine. 2.0 16v turbo'd with a k03. There are only slight differences between the two.

No. Get your facts right. The early Scirocco made use of the 2.0T (As seen on the back of the vehicle displayed by a badge and producing 147kw. This is the same engine as the MK5 GTI). The 2009 models use the TSI engine which is supercharged and turbocharged in 2.0 litre form. The TSI engine in the Scirocco is identical to that of the Golf 6 GTI. This is a new engine design released by Volkswagen. Similarly the 1.4 TSI Highline as found in the Golf 6 and Scirocco are both the same engines however the Scirocco only produces 147kw. VW are no longer using the old TFSI engine as seen in the Golf 5 in their range. Audi however is using this engine still predominantly in the A4 and A3.

WRT point number 2 there Mike, I think the argument was that for the same kind of money you can get a 135i which is way quicker than a scorococo Wink

True. It boils down to ETTO (Each to their own).

VW Servicing is a joke compared to BMW Mp. Honestly... You can't compare the two.

I supply VW and BMW with their service products and technical advice when they need it. I deal with these people on a daily basis. At least VW returns your calls. Most BMW dealers dont even bother. However things may be different when dealing with the customer directly. But VW and BMW are very similar in the way they treat their suppliers (And no doubt their clients).

Mike

 

[biofreak]

Ok.

1. Get your facts right... There is no 2.0 that uses this method. The engine is an exact copy of the GTi engine. 2.0 16v turbo'd with a k03. There are only slight differences between the two.

No. Get your facts right. The early Scirocco made use of the 2.0T (As seen on the back of the vehicle displayed by a badge and producing 147kw. This is the same engine as the MK5 GTI). The 2009 models use the TSI engine which is supercharged and turbocharged in 2.0 litre form. The TSI engine in the Scirocco is identical to that of the Golf 6 GTI. This is a new engine design released by Volkswagen. Similarly the 1.4 TSI Highline as found in the Golf 6 and Scirocco are both the same engines. VW are no longer using the old TFSI engine as seen in the Golf 5 in their range. Audi however is using this engine still predominantly in the A4 and A3.

WRT point number 2 there Mike, I think the argument was that for the same kind of money you can get a 135i which is way quicker than a scorococo Wink

True. It boils down to ETTO (Each to their own).

VW Servicing is a joke compared to BMW Mp. Honestly... You can't compare the two.

I supply VW and BMW with their service products and technical advice when they need it. I deal with these people on a daily basis. At least VW returns your calls. Most BMW dealers dont even bother. However things may be different when dealing with the customer directly. But VW and BMW are very similar in the way they treat their suppliers (And no doubt their clients).

Mike

New GTI Performance

Total control, dynamic road-feel, responsive handling and superb driveability - the legendary GTI performance is built on an arsenal of Volkswagen drive technologies. Like the electro-mechanical power-steering programmed with a GTI sports map for a more direct road feel. Or the choice between feisty, hands on 6-speed manual transmission, or velvety smooth power delivery from an automatic, 6-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG®).

* 155 kW 2-litre turbocharged engine
* 6-speed gearbox (manual or DSG®)
* Lowered sports suspension

Model Power Output
(kW @ r/min) Acceleration
(0-100 km/h) Top Speed
(km/h)
GTI Manual 155 @ 5100 6.9 240

Oh wow. Can you believe it.

http://www.um.co.za/specifications/volkswagen_scirocco_2_0_tsi_sportline_dsg_(2009).aspx

Aspiration turbocharged

I beg of you!! Please!!! Log onto the VWclub forum and post this!! ROFL! I would pay to see that!!

TSI is the new monicker that VW are using on all it's engines. Go do your homework Mr Uber alles Mechanic sonder a license.

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Oh or even better. Seeing as you are a mechanic and you have all this knowledge and experience. Why don't you log onto the VW tech program and give us a diagram of the turbo and supercharger assembly on the new GTi

 

[Mike1]

I just want to point out that my information comes directly from VW dealers and the booklet they gave me when I test drove the 1.4TSI.

Mike

 

[freerider]

opcorn:

Now if I could just find the TV remote...

 

[Mike1]

The pamphlet says it is a 2.0 Litre Supercharged and Turbocharged engine. And I called both VW Tokai and Culemborg and they confirmed this...

Mike

 

[biofreak]

I just want to point out that my information comes directly from VW dealers and the booklet they gave me when I test drove the 1.4TSI.

Mike

edzackerry. The 1.4TSI is a turbo and SC motor. The 2.0TSI is NOT.
But hey, what do I know.
Go for it, post the SC pics on the 2.0 motor.

 

[@ri]

1.4TSI = supercharged and turbocharged

2.0TSI = turbocharged only

http://www.vw.co.za/models/scirocco/specs/

Maybe you should have asked for the 2.0 TSI booklet :rofl:

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The pamphlet says it is a 2.0 Litre Supercharged and Turbocharged engine. And I called both VW Tokai and Culemborg and they confirmed this...

Mike

With regards to your earlier comparison of BMW vs VW.. at least BMW know their OWN cars and give you the right specs... :thumbsup:

 

[biofreak]

With regards to your earlier comparison of BMW vs VW.. at least BMW know their OWN cars and give you the right specs... :thumbsup:

ROFLMAO!!! :clap::clap:

 

[Nic_s]

opcorn:

Now if I could just find the TV remote...

... to change the channel. Honestly... arguing about VW on a BMWFanatics... it's like watching Discovery and then there is a Rugby Match on. :hammerhead:


On a side not though... cars with similar price compete. The end.


And let's keep this debate clean. :thumbsup:

 

[biofreak]

opcorn:

Now if I could just find the TV remote...

... to change the channel. Honestly... arguing about VW on a BMWFanatics... it's like watching Discovery and then there is a Rugby Match on. :hammerhead:


On a side not though... cars with similar price compete. The end.


And let's keep this debate clean. :thumbsup:

Hey, only one person in this thread that tried to be the expert and failed.

 

[Mike1]

Alright.

My apologies gents. :spit:

I have just called 5 dealerships (Bellville, Tokai, Culemborg, Philwest and Cape City).

4 out of the 5 have said that the 2.0TSI found in the Golf 6 GTI and TSI Scirocco are supercharged and turbocharged. Ironically all 4 of those sales reps were woman. Upon calling Barons Bellville the GENTLEMAN told me it was only turbo'ed.

What I find hilarious is that in the booklet that was published at the launch of the TSI engine and Golf 6 earlier this year says clearly that the 2.0 Litre TSi engine in the GTI and Scirocco also benefitted from the mixture of a supercharger and turbocharger.

However as mentioned above it seems that only the 1.4 gets this benefit. My sincerest apologies to those I may have upset. It seems there has been a miscommunication between VW and its salesman and the publishers.

**Runs and hides**

Mike