2008 E90 323I advice please!

[husaindindar]

OK,
I am pretty sure it's the vanos solenoids.


I'm not sure where you're located. I'm in JHB North.

I am willing to pull out my fairly new solenoids to plug into your car and see what happens over maybe a Saturday or so.


I've had the exact same fault as you... Dealer also wanted to replace vanos gear.

 

[KPM3_30]

Same advice, repeatedly... :fencelook: #Gatvol

There is an old adage, "a fool and his money are soon parted".. You came to a BMW enthusiast forum, you were given advice and you still waste your time with troubleshooting? Keep throwing $$$$ hoping it gets sorted, by people that want to make money from you.. You are spending silly cash, that you will never get back, especially on a 'normal' 3 series.. Take the advice and help from people that know these cars and are not out to make money from your situation.

 

[husaindindar]

https://5series.net/forums/e60-discussion-2/vanos-camshaft-bearing-ledge-139004/


read pdf on second post

 

[SubLoaded]

Same advice, repeatedly... :fencelook: #Gatvol

There is an old adage, "a fool and his money are soon parted".. You came to a BMW enthusiast forum, you were given advice and you still waste your time with troubleshooting? Keep throwing $$$$ hoping it gets sorted, by people that want to make money from you.. You are spending silly cash, that you will never get back, especially on a 'normal' 3 series.. Take the advice and help from people that know these cars and are not out to make money from your situation.

:withStu:

 

[Waynethelame]

OK,
I am pretty sure it's the vanos solenoids.


I'm not sure where you're located. I'm in JHB North.

I am willing to pull out my fairly new solenoids to plug into your car and see what happens over maybe a Saturday or so.


I've had the exact same fault as you... Dealer also wanted to replace vanos gear.

Thats a awesome gesture man but i am in BFN Freestate. raise: Thanks tho!

 

[KPM3_30]

OK,
I am pretty sure it's the vanos solenoids.


I'm not sure where you're located. I'm in JHB North.

I am willing to pull out my fairly new solenoids to plug into your car and see what happens over maybe a Saturday or so.


I've had the exact same fault as you... Dealer also wanted to replace vanos gear.

Thats a awesome gesture man but i am in BFN Freestate. raise: Thanks tho!

Go order the solenoids from Masterparts and have them delivered. You spent R20k thus far, R2.4k more isn't a far leap out of that ballpark.. So many people saying the same thing, they all can't be that far out? :dunnoanymore:

 

[Waynethelame]

Same advice, repeatedly... :fencelook: #Gatvol

There is an old adage, "a fool and his money are soon parted".. You came to a BMW enthusiast forum, you were given advice and you still waste your time with troubleshooting? Keep throwing $$$$ hoping it gets sorted, by people that want to make money from you.. You are spending silly cash, that you will never get back, especially on a 'normal' 3 series.. Take the advice and help from people that know these cars and are not out to make money from your situation.

I cannot stand by and watch what they replace. . . Even went as far as sending them the link for the thread.

With that said they follow the guidelines given by BMW step by step and i guess the last step is replacing the solonoids just before replacing the whole Engine to resolve the problem.

Guess ill buy the part and swop myself as allowing professionals to rather do the work is rather pointless and leads to only learning an old adage.

 

[KPM3_30]

Same advice, repeatedly... :fencelook: #Gatvol

There is an old adage, "a fool and his money are soon parted".. You came to a BMW enthusiast forum, you were given advice and you still waste your time with troubleshooting? Keep throwing $$$$ hoping it gets sorted, by people that want to make money from you.. You are spending silly cash, that you will never get back, especially on a 'normal' 3 series.. Take the advice and help from people that know these cars and are not out to make money from your situation.

I cannot stand by and watch what they replace. . . Even went as far as sending them the link for the thread.

With that said they follow the guidelines given by BMW step by step and i guess the last step is replacing the solonoids just before replacing the whole Engine to resolve the problem.

Guess ill buy the part and swop myself as allowing professionals to rather do the work is rather pointless and leads to only learning an old adage.

You tell them what to look at and/or change.. You're in this predicament because of your attitude to getting this resolved, if you give them free reign, expect your wallet to suffer.. Don't you think it makes more sense to change out cheaper parts than more expensive ones..? Everyone knows that dealers are the last place you go to troubleshoot cause they charge an arm and a leg, hence the nickname, "stealers".

As for the bit in bold, now you're learning. :bravo:

 

[Waynethelame]

https://5series.net/forums/e60-discussion-2/vanos-camshaft-bearing-ledge-139004/


read pdf on second post

Thanks man, I read the pdf and also send this to the dealer, The grooves in the head was checked when they replaced the tappet cover and now when the solonoid gear was replaced. So luckily thats not the cause.

After sending the pdf to them and all the help on this thread in regards to the solonoids they suggested to lend me new ones to test and i will the buy a new oil filter just for the heck of it.

 

[Waynethelame]

Hi Guys

Yes me again.

I took my car back to the dealer who replaced the exhaust vanos cam gear unit and told them the car is still acting up.

Car went in Monday and Today they let me know they want to replace the inlet cam gear and both solonoids for 16K well 16,900 but they are giving me discount. . .

My questions: 1. Is the cam gears a part that is known to break?

2. Because i now have a new exhaust cam gear and the fault is still present, what are my options to get them just to replace the inlet end exhaust vanos solonoids as you guys suggested. (which i also feel just had to be done from the start)

The Owner of the dealership will give me a call later today so i want to get my facts straight regarding those expensive cam gears.

 

[SubLoaded]

I have a feeling that you'd replace the motor if they advised you to do so... for a discounted rate, of course :dunnoanymore:

Honestly though - assuming that you don't have a good private mech (and will be taking the car to the dealership every time) then you should consider another vehicle.

if you don't know much about maintenance/common issues on the N52 then people are going to either 1. take advantage of the situation. 2. get you to throw money at the car trying to solve the most basic of issues.

To answer your questions. Cam gears do go, but it's not common. My 323i didn't have this issue and the mileage was sky high. My 325i has the same motor - no issues with a high miler as well.

what are my options to get them just to replace the inlet end exhaust vanos solonoids as you guys suggested

Your car, your money, your choice as to what work gets carried out?

 

[husaindindar]

I f*king give up!
Really...

I don't know why I/we bothered to try and help.

If I was a mod, I'd lock the thread.

 

[KPM3_30]

I f*king give up!
Really...

I don't know why I/we bothered to try and help.

If I was a mod, I'd lock the thread.

A fool and his money - Keep repeating this and it won't be so maddening.. I suppose the username says it all. :dunnoanymore:

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I have a feeling that you'd replace the motor if they advised you to do so... for a discounted rate, of course :dunnoanymore:

Honestly though - assuming that you don't have a good private mech (and will be taking the car to the dealership every time) then you should consider another vehicle.

if you don't know much about maintenance/common issues on the N52 then people are going to either 1. take advantage of the situation. 2. get you to throw money at the car trying to solve the most basic of issues.

To answer your questions. Cam gears do go, but it's not common. My 323i didn't have this issue and the mileage was sky high. My 325i has the same motor - no issues with a high miler as well.

what are my options to get them just to replace the inlet end exhaust vanos solonoids as you guys suggested

Your car, your money, your choice as to what work gets carried out?

I actually don't think so, judging from the choices made in this thread.. I think the dealership decides and then Wayne just pays them.

Honestly, I would've sold this car a long time ago than throw cash at what is essentially a non-special car.. Its a pre-lci 323i for God's sake.

 

[RayMan101]

Well, this is heading south REALLY quickly...

I've just gotten out of a similar kak situation... so here is my story in short with the solution.... hope it helps...

Id start the car, have a bit of chain rattle (low oil... my bad) and when I drive off, the car would have some hesitation on acceleration, same with aircon off or on... when I come to a standstill, the car's revs would bounce a little and you can hear the car have a lumpy idle, when i pull away the car would hesitate like mad and then shoot off like a bat our of hell... sometimes stall.

so I replaced both fuel pumps, the starter that was actually giving problems, with battery... I cleaned both solenoids, cam sensors, crank sensor, MAF and MAP sensor... nothing.... thought I had a vacuum leak and got gatvol and took it to my mechanic. 3 hours later, with a scan and diagnostics, sensors all cleaned again.. R1,800 later and its fixed... all they did was "factory reset" the car, they did the gearbox, valvetronic system, ECU...alles


now the car rides as good as new and learning my driving habits again.

Ask your guy to reset everything to the original settings and give it a few days...maybe that will work for you and you won't have to sell your nads to pay for more repairs.

 

[Waynethelame]

Well, this is heading south REALLY quickly...

I've just gotten out of a similar kak situation... so here is my story in short with the solution.... hope it helps...

Id start the car, have a bit of chain rattle (low oil... my bad) and when I drive off, the car would have some hesitation on acceleration, same with aircon off or on... when I come to a standstill, the car's revs would bounce a little and you can hear the car have a lumpy idle, when i pull away the car would hesitate like mad and then shoot off like a bat our of hell... sometimes stall.

so I replaced both fuel pumps, the starter that was actually giving problems, with battery... I cleaned both solenoids, cam sensors, crank sensor, MAF and MAP sensor... nothing.... thought I had a vacuum leak and got gatvol and took it to my mechanic. 3 hours later, with a scan and diagnostics, sensors all cleaned again.. R1,800 later and its fixed... all they did was "factory reset" the car, they did the gearbox, valvetronic system, ECU...alles


now the car rides as good as new and learning my driving habits again.

Ask your guy to reset everything to the original settings and give it a few days...maybe that will work for you and you won't have to sell your nads to pay for more repairs.

Thanks man! Since the attack of the keyboard ninjas on this thread my car is still at the mechanic so i will ask them to do this.

Could be as originally the tappet cover was buggered and needed replacement but first time it went in to the dealer i saw a software update on the invoice.

They are however replacing both solonoids and intake cam gear for no charge as i loosed my cool with them just replacing parts EXCEPT the solonoids. Thanks for sharing!!

 

[KPM3_30]

Thanks man! Since the attack of the keyboard ninjas on this thread my car is still at the mechanic so i will ask them to do this.

Could be as originally the tappet cover was buggered and needed replacement but first time it went in to the dealer i saw a software update on the invoice.

They are however replacing both solonoids and intake cam gear for no charge as i loosed my cool with them just replacing parts EXCEPT the solonoids. Thanks for sharing!!

Mr Lame, rather a 'keyboard ninja' than a fool who has spent pointless money on his car because he didn't take free advice.

Instead of calling people that tried to help you, names, or trying to come across as a smart alec (which couldn't be further from the truth, mind you) with your silly retorts, rather focus on fixing your car.

Had you actually taken the advice from members who know far more than you, your car would've been closer to being fixed and your cash not wasted on a pre-lci entry 6 pot..

Sorry to have been so harsh but it seems any other way just doesnt work with you, suppose it's to be expected with your choice of user name. I do hope you solve your issue and this is the end, for the sake of everyone that wasted time here :thumbs:

P.S, grammar revision is free, use it.. :idea:

 

[Beemerbro]

sad to hear how you're being fleeced by dealers playing guessing games on your car. I keep the hell away from dealers cos they're great at servicing/maintenance work but fixing a broken car- they're hopeless. This happens all the time to lots of people. Take the advice these guys are giving here and its free and usually correct.
good luck

 

[Waynethelame]

Conclusion:

Firstly - I , got , around , to , do some grammar revision.>{ / and must say:,. this. Helps, a lot , when, i am tjooning some1 ON the interwbz, . ; \[ only ] looking for advice,./ (And it was FREE!) Sadly being cock comes at a price and what a waste of time.

Secondly - Just because sometime in the future there will be a dude that loves his E90 323 M-sport (Yes, we do exist, Yes, we prefer a E90 323I M-sport with its fake ///M pedigree over a E46 330I) and this might help. So here goes my guy!

Intake cam gear was replaced with both intake and exhaust solonoids, and after about 80ks of driving car did exactly the same. They did 3 oil changes and cleaned out the solonoids, replaced oil filter. I will do a oil change and filter in another 2000ks and again after 5000ks just to be sure.

Turns out even though my car has a full service history, Oil changes was not done on schedule or even done at all. If done it was also done with cheap oil. Both cam gears was unable to advance or retard the timing as supposed to.

Old cam gears and solonoids was shown to me on collection. They were thrashed with gunk and sludge.

This was done at R2500 additional cost for labor, instead of the 16K as they did not diagnose the car correctly first time or half a$$ed it. Also payable only when i drove the car for a month or so and completely satisfied.

On departure the manager advised i get my car on the dyno next door to them (as i done my exhaust decat and freeflow), and stuck a voucher for a free dyno in my hand.

Thanks alot for all your valuable advice on the solonoids. Without these facts i wouldn't have been able to argue the facts with the dealer.

 

[SubLoaded]

Great attempt at the grammar :bravo:

Don't break the dyno with your M323i now

 

[Jeremy.d]

Lmao. This ou is saying he prefers an e90 323i over an E46 330i?:roflol:

:jack: