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1M BEAST!!!
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adamr
Well-known member
Agree it's your car do what makes you happy.... I personally when in the market for any toy I wanted them absolutely original and stock...
Depends on the buyer. The collectors I know of want stock
Aplina singer, liberty walk etc are after market tuners... Heck singer takes its a step further that just mods... Not the same like someone taking their car and just slapping some random parts on
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Depends on the buyer. The collectors I know of want stock
Aplina singer, liberty walk etc are after market tuners... Heck singer takes its a step further that just mods... Not the same like someone taking their car and just slapping some random parts on
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Carbon
///Member
P Smit said:
500WHP Stock turbos N54
As to value, Alpina, Singer and Ruff are all very special homologated cars, and all of them are in fact manufacturers, not tuners. I guess the definition is a bit convoluted and more biased towards emissions but it still holds true.
Easily reversible mods will never devalue a scarce car much because anyone can just swap the parts back to make it "acceptable" again. Brakes, shocks etc are considered consumables and usually do not affect the value of any car.
The real problem comes from cutting the body or welding a cage in etc. These things are not easily fixed and most potential owners would not want that, thus they would have to spend more to remove/fix it. That brings prices down.
Engine modifications are frowned upon in the collectors sectors, mostly because of the shortcuts that many take. Some engine builders (Lester Owen comes to mind for M12s and S14s) have such a reputation that their engines could even increase value, but to do so their work would have to be spectacular.
The biggest thing to remember is that modifications do not add to the value of the base model, especially not bolt-ons, because anyone can do it, so why pay for someone else's KWs when you wanted MOTON/JRZ/Ohlins instead. Once again the exception would be something like Schnitzer slide throttles for the m30 or m10, these are almost impossible to find and as such carry great value.
All these things are just guide lines and based on my observations on average market events, there are always outliers.
Acheron
Honorary ///Member
P Smit said:
All of this info is available online. There is no need for opinions.
N54 on stock turbos maxes out at +/-500whp (at the cost of potential issues relating to excess backpressure and running in excess of 24psi on tiny TD03's)
N54s on hybrid turbos see around 650-700whp (for the larger options).
Current single turbo N54 record is >860whp. (although a number of cars running ~100hp less have had piston/rod issues)
I'm puzzled as to what this thread is actually about? Are you showing the car off or are you wanting specific information on the way forward with your mods? The question of whether limited edition cars benefit or suffer (value wise) from modifications is a moot one. 99% would prefer an untouched example, even if they plan to mod it later.
At the end of the day a car like the 1M is meant to be driven and keeping it pristine for the sake of the next owner is, imo, a complete waste of a driver's car. If you feel you can derive more pleasure from modifying certain aspects then by all accounts you should. Sticking to bolt-on modifications would allow you to retain a higher degree of value since they are easily reversed.
I've modified my n54 and love it. My e46 M3 I will try keep more in more of a stock form just because its an M and I enjoy the way it is. Yes a modified car will be harder to sell, but if resale isn't much of an issue then who cares.
Turbo cars are much more easily transformed by mods, NA you really need to work and spend $$$ to see good gains.
900hp sounds fun.....................
Turbo cars are much more easily transformed by mods, NA you really need to work and spend $$$ to see good gains.
900hp sounds fun.....................
P Smit
New member
Hi guys, eventually after some spray-painting and tydying-up of the 1M, the car is in my garage.
Yes James, it was Edrich's car. This one is stronger than anything I have ever driven, except maybe the latest Porsche Turbo S, with which it would be more or less on par.
I actually wish it was also all-wheel driven, as traction in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears is a real challenge, but damn, if it the rears find traction, it goes like a bat out of hell!!
It is capable of hard acceleration with 95-octane fuel, but it realy buggers-off with 6-RON NF octane booster and a squirt of methenol at high boost.
It was run on a Dastec dyno at Pietersbug last week, the spark plugs were a bit shot and caused a misfire from 5000rpm under full boost, Andre from F2 Vehicle Technologies, lifted off at 5700rpm, the reading was still astonishig....475wkW on an inertia dyno-run!!!
I had two dices with a M4 today, 1M - 2, M4 - 0 :rollsmile:
The 1M was able to pull off two good starts, I had to pedal it a bit in 1st and second to control wheelspin, but the beast did not disappoint.
The M4 driver opened his window at the end of the second stint and said: "I want your car!!":roflol:
Here is proof of the power output:
Yes James, it was Edrich's car. This one is stronger than anything I have ever driven, except maybe the latest Porsche Turbo S, with which it would be more or less on par.
I actually wish it was also all-wheel driven, as traction in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears is a real challenge, but damn, if it the rears find traction, it goes like a bat out of hell!!
It is capable of hard acceleration with 95-octane fuel, but it realy buggers-off with 6-RON NF octane booster and a squirt of methenol at high boost.
It was run on a Dastec dyno at Pietersbug last week, the spark plugs were a bit shot and caused a misfire from 5000rpm under full boost, Andre from F2 Vehicle Technologies, lifted off at 5700rpm, the reading was still astonishig....475wkW on an inertia dyno-run!!!
I had two dices with a M4 today, 1M - 2, M4 - 0 :rollsmile:
The 1M was able to pull off two good starts, I had to pedal it a bit in 1st and second to control wheelspin, but the beast did not disappoint.
The M4 driver opened his window at the end of the second stint and said: "I want your car!!":roflol:
Here is proof of the power output:
adamr
Well-known member
P Smit said:Hi guys, eventually after some spray-painting and tydying-up of the 1M, the car is in my garage.
Yes James, it was Edrich's car. This one is stronger than anything I have ever driven, except maybe the latest Porsche Turbo S, with which it would be more or less on par.
I actually wish it was also all-wheel driven, as traction in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears is a real challenge, but damn, if it the rears find traction, it goes like a bat out of hell!!
It is capable of hard acceleration with 95-octane fuel, but it realy buggers-off with 6-RON NF octane booster and a squirt of methenol at high boost.
It was run on a Dastec dyno at Pietersbug last week, the spark plugs were a bit shot and caused a misfire from 5000rpm under full boost, Andre from F2 Vehicle Technologies, lifted off at 5700rpm, the reading was still astonishig....475wkW on an inertia dyno-run!!!
I had two dices with a M4 today, 1M - 2, M4 - 0 :rollsmile:
The 1M was able to pull off two good starts, I had to pedal it a bit in 1st and second to control wheelspin, but the beast did not disappoint.
The M4 driver opened his window at the end of the second stint and said: "I want your car!!":roflol:
Here is proof of the power output:
You need to stick a gopro on that car of yours....
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P Smit
New member
Firstly I want to say that I can change the mods for all the standard bits if I want too. All the OEM parts are safely stored away.
It is fitted with:
COBB
JB4
Large inter-cooler
V8 M3 oil cooler
Trick waste gates
Borg Warner 76/70 ceramic ball bearing turbo with internal blow-off valve
KW 3-way adjustable suspension
Endless brake pads
10-liter tank for Methanol and special pump
Extra high pressure fuel pump
A flippen good driver!!!:rollsmile:
I will take it to a track day in future to test it on the track, but the track work is mainly reserved for my M3 race car.
I was told by the previous owner that the 1M once did a 270km/h 1km sprint.
I think thats about it.
Wifey just loves this car!
A very enthusiastic M4 owner got a serious thrashing by the 1M last night in Pietersburg.......twice!!!:cartel:
It is fitted with:
COBB
JB4
Large inter-cooler
V8 M3 oil cooler
Trick waste gates
Borg Warner 76/70 ceramic ball bearing turbo with internal blow-off valve
KW 3-way adjustable suspension
Endless brake pads
10-liter tank for Methanol and special pump
Extra high pressure fuel pump
A flippen good driver!!!:rollsmile:
I will take it to a track day in future to test it on the track, but the track work is mainly reserved for my M3 race car.
I was told by the previous owner that the 1M once did a 270km/h 1km sprint.
I think thats about it.
Wifey just loves this car!
A very enthusiastic M4 owner got a serious thrashing by the 1M last night in Pietersburg.......twice!!!:cartel:
nt33333
Member
P Smit said:Firstly I want to say that I can change the mods for all the standard bits if I want too. All the OEM parts are safely stored away.
It is fitted with:
COBB
JB4
Large inter-cooler
V8 M3 oil cooler
Trick waste gates
Borg Warner 76/70 ceramic ball bearing turbo with internal blow-off valve
KW 3-way adjustable suspension
Endless brake pads
10-liter tank for Methanol and special pump
Extra high pressure fuel pump
A flippen good driver!!!:rollsmile:
I will take it to a track day in future to test it on the track, but the track work is mainly reserved for my M3 race car.
I was told by the previous owner that the 1M once did a 270km/h 1km sprint.
I think thats about it.
Wifey just loves this car!
A very enthusiastic M4 owner got a serious thrashing by the 1M last night in Pietersburg.......twice!!!:cartel:
Nice kill Mnr Smit. Car looks great
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P Smit
New member
Good day, sorry but I do not know your real name, I have read through the last few posts again last night on my 1M Beast thread and more specifically paused at your referred to post.
Let met add to previous guys' posts concerning value and keeping a car standard:
I would just as much enjoyed the 1M I acquired, if it was stock standard in all respects. But I would always have worried about the possibility of turbo failure of the standard turbo's and poor handling characteristics of the 1M.
The N55 motor is very similar to the N54, but with a sensible turbo upgrade, single turbo with twin scroll exhaust turbine. This was also the route taken when the turbo upgrade was planned, just with a much better spec than the OEM turbos.
I am a performance orientated car enthusiast in all respects, I am participating actively in motorsport ranging from rallying to track racing since 1999. I have gained high level driving skill over the years and I have been entrusted with various owners' super cars both on and off race tracks through the years, always with anti-skid control systems de-activated. When I speak of high performance driving, you can accept that I know what I am talking about when I comment on the handling aspect of a car.
I always optimise my cars to deliver more performance than stock. Many car enthusiasts and collectors would agree that certain mods are indeed acceptable. Especially for performance orientated cars. It is the prerogative of the owner to decide on what mods he would allow, and what risk he would take of decrease in value.
Lets look at the M1 of the 80's, most of them were modified for racing, they are só rare and carry a very high premium, even as modified race cars. Most M-cars, are being optimised by companies like AC Schnitzer, Hamann, Alpina etc. Do those conversions detract from value?? In the eyes of the large overseas enthusiasts certainly not. It would actually contribute to a special car's value.
But, there are certainly purists that would opt for no mods at all. Probably like yourself. But that is YOUR choice. The standard suspension is just not up to it, when it comes to handling on the track, it is not adjustable in order to optimise grip and traction. Down-force is enhanced by a properly designed add-on splitter, a properly redesigned high flow exhaust releases loads of torque and improves economy as well as great sound, enhancing the wow-aspect of a car. Better brake-pads also increase initial bite and continuous hard braking.
If the car is bought to be put in a museum collection for life, leave it as standard as possible, if you buy it for collectable value, but you want to enjoy driving it in the way it was designed too and want to do it safely, do mods as required wisely.
While I was in the process of buying the 1M, two collectors called the previous owner and and offered way more than the agreed price of the car, knowing it has been upgraded performance-wise. I am grateful that the seller was a man of his word who honored our deal.
I can guarantee you one thing, If you could ever have a spin in my 1M, it will surely put a smile on your face.
So by the way, my 1M was recently valued by a reputable BMW expert and valuator, For R850k!!!
Let met add to previous guys' posts concerning value and keeping a car standard:
I would just as much enjoyed the 1M I acquired, if it was stock standard in all respects. But I would always have worried about the possibility of turbo failure of the standard turbo's and poor handling characteristics of the 1M.
The N55 motor is very similar to the N54, but with a sensible turbo upgrade, single turbo with twin scroll exhaust turbine. This was also the route taken when the turbo upgrade was planned, just with a much better spec than the OEM turbos.
I am a performance orientated car enthusiast in all respects, I am participating actively in motorsport ranging from rallying to track racing since 1999. I have gained high level driving skill over the years and I have been entrusted with various owners' super cars both on and off race tracks through the years, always with anti-skid control systems de-activated. When I speak of high performance driving, you can accept that I know what I am talking about when I comment on the handling aspect of a car.
I always optimise my cars to deliver more performance than stock. Many car enthusiasts and collectors would agree that certain mods are indeed acceptable. Especially for performance orientated cars. It is the prerogative of the owner to decide on what mods he would allow, and what risk he would take of decrease in value.
Lets look at the M1 of the 80's, most of them were modified for racing, they are só rare and carry a very high premium, even as modified race cars. Most M-cars, are being optimised by companies like AC Schnitzer, Hamann, Alpina etc. Do those conversions detract from value?? In the eyes of the large overseas enthusiasts certainly not. It would actually contribute to a special car's value.
But, there are certainly purists that would opt for no mods at all. Probably like yourself. But that is YOUR choice. The standard suspension is just not up to it, when it comes to handling on the track, it is not adjustable in order to optimise grip and traction. Down-force is enhanced by a properly designed add-on splitter, a properly redesigned high flow exhaust releases loads of torque and improves economy as well as great sound, enhancing the wow-aspect of a car. Better brake-pads also increase initial bite and continuous hard braking.
If the car is bought to be put in a museum collection for life, leave it as standard as possible, if you buy it for collectable value, but you want to enjoy driving it in the way it was designed too and want to do it safely, do mods as required wisely.
While I was in the process of buying the 1M, two collectors called the previous owner and and offered way more than the agreed price of the car, knowing it has been upgraded performance-wise. I am grateful that the seller was a man of his word who honored our deal.
I can guarantee you one thing, If you could ever have a spin in my 1M, it will surely put a smile on your face.
So by the way, my 1M was recently valued by a reputable BMW expert and valuator, For R850k!!!
