Alfa 4C Coupe

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Nearly another year since I last did an update. I am closing in on 6 years of ownership on it.

Infamous Oil Service:
After nearly switching to Motul 300V, the unique way pricing of compatible oil for this car seems to work led me to carrying on with the Selenia OEM oil.

I happened to talk to the dealer about another part that I needed which was on back order and complained about the oil pricing (as one does LOL) and they said it had recently been reduced slightly in price. They managed to fit me in to have it done at very short notice. The more exotic stuff I will still do at Autopitstop but I technically still have FSH at agents too this way. It ended up being around R6000 for the service.

Costs over the year have been minimal. With a light car, even with track use it isn't terrible keeping them going. My original-from-factory pads (which I anticipated changing ages ago with the track and breakfast run uses) are still at over 60% (estimated by APS and Alfa) so nothing to change yet - maybe I must do more of these in a year. I still change fluid frequently with Motul RBF660

I had to do the suspension torque procedure as well (by time and based on my use) which was approximately R3K. This is necessary on any carbon tub car and is really more of a 'double check' than actual work. This service has actually come down in price from years past. I think it is also part of their drive to keep people coming into dealers as opposed to just being put off by absurd pricing. I don't think they are sharing the improved parts pricing with their independent workshop customers though....

Other than that it has just been fuel, track costs, licensing, insurance and general stuff like balancing and alignment.

What went wrong
I did have a tiny Hella electronic solenoid fail. This controls the exhaust valves that open or close in different drive modes. Fortunately the valves default to 'open' in this state so I am not missing my Akrapovic x Novitec exhaust note :ROFLMAO: but I am rectifying this either way. It is a DIY fix and the part is common across many many brands and is a common failure point. Since nobody has it locally (Across Alfa, Porsche and VW which all use it, some for different applications) I am probably going to just order it off Amazon when it's in stock again. It's a sub R1000 part and can be accessed fairly painlessly

How much did I use it?
In terms of mileage, I did just over 3500km which isn't bad for this sort of car and my sort of total mileage. I did note that insurance costs have gone up around R200 this year which was the only materially higher expense. The car now runs mostly with OB1 which I source from Takealot. Takealot is somehow cheaper than most of the places that stock it (when you can find it anyway). I plan to use it a bit more this year too so the quiet mode will need to be back in action for taking calls in the car. There is no drone or anything like that - it is just LOUD. I did a photoshoot not long ago and one of my mates drove the F90 to the venue and it was surprising loud (and burbly) to me vs sitting in the car driving myself... then he drove the Alfa back and it was even more surprisingly loud to me listening from the F90. LOL

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What's coming up?
I have been putting off tyres until I do the new custom forged rims. Firi even has the designs and specs, but unfortunately between water tank projects, plumbing issues, maintenance projects, travel for business and my wife being retrenched, the money and time keeps finding other uses. Anyway that's life and we have to be responsible in order to keep having nice things so it is what it is... still hopeful to have this done within this year.

Either way before the end of the year I need to have Potenza Race or P Zero Trofeo R tyres on it. This is because the Cup 2s (date coded 2020) have completely degraded at this point and this is especially evident in the cold weather where both traction and braking are now definitely in the 'poor' category. With some temperature they are OK-ish but the last track day I did took their remaining useful life as a performance item out of them for sure. Plenty of depth on the treads, but functionally useless.

I have a set of Alpine Type X speakers that I have test fitted and have 3D printed car specific adapters for. These will go in within the next few weeks running active off a Match DSP. Took some time to amass the parts. This isn't adding toooooo much weight vs. crossovers and large amps etc. There's an argument to be made for the exhaust note being the music, but I also want actual music too...

@Neven finally got to drive the little Alfa (as well as a few others over the course of this year). I think we both have challenges in terms of upgrading our fleets without a powerball win. If anyone would like to buy me a 488 Pista or GT2 or 720S then I can share my banking details :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: . Jokes aside, I do think it was different to what he was expecting but he can comment with impressions if he spots this post too.

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I don't think anyone is quite prepared for how low and wide it is in real life

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I am finding as time goes on fewer and fewer people know what this car even is and that will only continue. A few youtube vids and listicles have mentioned it in the past while so maybe it will double again in value. Who knows LOL. The few that have come up for sale, even at eye watering prices considering what most of us paid for them, haven't lingered for very long (unless they had some kind of history). anyway even then I am not sure I would be able to bring myself to part with it. Maybe that is part of the Alfa-owner psychosis? That said Ferrari will give me a nice round 7 figures as a trade in which would be amazing if there was anything sub R4M that was an actual upgrade for the things I am looking for. I am still very much looking to add something rather than to replace the 4C.

As such the search for more money continues in order to bring this to life :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

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Thanks for reading. Until next year! :ROFLMAO:
 

Mytfine

Well-known member
Such a pretty thing and very limited numbers available if i remember correctly. It just crying out for a true alfa v6 and would be absolutley perfect.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Such a pretty thing and very limited numbers available if i remember correctly. It just crying out for a true alfa v6 and would be absolutley perfect.

With the weight and in terms of matching the overall character of the car, the 4 pot turbo motor is plenty.... but they did use the tub mated to a Giulia QV Alfa V6 in the form of the Maserati MC20. Unfortunately it is absurdly priced between R6.5-7M. An evolution of both this motor and the carbon tub is also in the €2M Alfa 33 Stradale Hypercar which takes the same powertrain upped to 620hp or an electric with 750hp claimed. Of course being an Alfa, almost all the orders were configured with the V6 TT powertrain by those few lucky and rich 33 people invited to buy :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Anyway the front and rear subframe is different on the MC20 to accommodate the other bits and bobs but the tub is largely the same with some minor tweaks. The interior also has some parts that can be mixed and matched as guys have discovered LOL (Pics below)

The 4C and Ferrari California both started life as Maserati designs originally, The MC20 'reversed' this as it was supposed to have been the Alfa 6C.

Fiat/Chrysler and Stellantis really didn't know how to manage any of these brands over the years unfortunately. After the announcements of the MC20 and cancellation of the 6C, I assumed this car would not be competing with Ferrari/McLaren/Lamborghini and priced a tier (or at least half a tier) lower. Apparently so did Maserati at some point, with inital estimates being just below R4M which is already asking alot of the Maserati brand. However, priced the way they are, you have to really want one considering it is sharing space with the 765LT, 750S, Temarario, 296 etc. Same issue as the Lotus Emira that is in no man's land in terms of what it wants to be further down the food chain.

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Here is the 4C with the original 33 Stradale and new limited run 2 Million Euro modern version carrying the same name showing some of the DNA. Not quite Porsche levels of evolution, but it's there LOL

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momo1

Well-known member
Theres a romantic charm about all 3 cars you mentioned above, all of them being really pretty, even the less loved MC20 still looks good with its "safe" design elements.
I remember the first time seeing pictures of the 33 Stradale and thought it was drop dead gorgeous, along with the 8c i think they both get into the top 20 cars ever by design, Harrys garage and top gear did great YT vids on its launch.
on the topic of your glorious 4C what does being sideways in linen feel like? :ROFLMAO:
 

tamgoem

Well-known member
Honestly, Alfa's 4pots have been charming through the ages. Much like the A110, not sure if there would be any benefit given the purpose of the 4C if it used a turbo V6. All you end up with is another 911/F458 warra warra to fast for public roads anyway car.

Small car, small peppy motor job done. Not like it's a 718 Cayman making loud broken subaru noises :cool:
 

tamgoem

Well-known member
Fiat/Chrysler and Stellantis really didn't know how to manage any of these brands over the years unfortunately. After the announcements of the MC20 and cancellation of the 6C, I assumed this car would not be competing with Ferrari/McLaren/Lamborghini and priced a tier (or at least half a tier) lower. Apparently so did Maserati at some point, with inital estimates being just below R4M which is already asking alot of the Maserati brand. However, priced the way they are, you have to really want one considering it is sharing space with the 765LT, 750S, Temarario, 296 etc. Same issue as the Lotus Emira that is in no man's land in terms of what it wants to be further down the food chain.

Please call it by it's real name. Global Leyland
 

Quick///M

Well-known member
Nearly another year since I last did an update. I am closing in on 6 years of ownership on it.

Infamous Oil Service:
After nearly switching to Motul 300V, the unique way pricing of compatible oil for this car seems to work led me to carrying on with the Selenia OEM oil.

I happened to talk to the dealer about another part that I needed which was on back order and complained about the oil pricing (as one does LOL) and they said it had recently been reduced slightly in price. They managed to fit me in to have it done at very short notice. The more exotic stuff I will still do at Autopitstop but I technically still have FSH at agents too this way. It ended up being around R6000 for the service.

Costs over the year have been minimal. With a light car, even with track use it isn't terrible keeping them going. My original-from-factory pads (which I anticipated changing ages ago with the track and breakfast run uses) are still at over 60% (estimated by APS and Alfa) so nothing to change yet - maybe I must do more of these in a year. I still change fluid frequently with Motul RBF660

I had to do the suspension torque procedure as well (by time and based on my use) which was approximately R3K. This is necessary on any carbon tub car and is really more of a 'double check' than actual work. This service has actually come down in price from years past. I think it is also part of their drive to keep people coming into dealers as opposed to just being put off by absurd pricing. I don't think they are sharing the improved parts pricing with their independent workshop customers though....

Other than that it has just been fuel, track costs, licensing, insurance and general stuff like balancing and alignment.

What went wrong
I did have a tiny Hella electronic solenoid fail. This controls the exhaust valves that open or close in different drive modes. Fortunately the valves default to 'open' in this state so I am not missing my Akrapovic x Novitec exhaust note :ROFLMAO: but I am rectifying this either way. It is a DIY fix and the part is common across many many brands and is a common failure point. Since nobody has it locally (Across Alfa, Porsche and VW which all use it, some for different applications) I am probably going to just order it off Amazon when it's in stock again. It's a sub R1000 part and can be accessed fairly painlessly

How much did I use it?
In terms of mileage, I did just over 3500km which isn't bad for this sort of car and my sort of total mileage. I did note that insurance costs have gone up around R200 this year which was the only materially higher expense. The car now runs mostly with OB1 which I source from Takealot. Takealot is somehow cheaper than most of the places that stock it (when you can find it anyway). I plan to use it a bit more this year too so the quiet mode will need to be back in action for taking calls in the car. There is no drone or anything like that - it is just LOUD. I did a photoshoot not long ago and one of my mates drove the F90 to the venue and it was surprising loud (and burbly) to me vs sitting in the car driving myself... then he drove the Alfa back and it was even more surprisingly loud to me listening from the F90. LOL

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What's coming up?
I have been putting off tyres until I do the new custom forged rims. Firi even has the designs and specs, but unfortunately between water tank projects, plumbing issues, maintenance projects, travel for business and my wife being retrenched, the money and time keeps finding other uses. Anyway that's life and we have to be responsible in order to keep having nice things so it is what it is... still hopeful to have this done within this year.

Either way before the end of the year I need to have Potenza Race or P Zero Trofeo R tyres on it. This is because the Cup 2s (date coded 2020) have completely degraded at this point and this is especially evident in the cold weather where both traction and braking are now definitely in the 'poor' category. With some temperature they are OK-ish but the last track day I did took their remaining useful life as a performance item out of them for sure. Plenty of depth on the treads, but functionally useless.

I have a set of Alpine Type X speakers that I have test fitted and have 3D printed car specific adapters for. These will go in within the next few weeks running active off a Match DSP. Took some time to amass the parts. This isn't adding toooooo much weight vs. crossovers and large amps etc. There's an argument to be made for the exhaust note being the music, but I also want actual music too...

@Neven finally got to drive the little Alfa (as well as a few others over the course of this year). I think we both have challenges in terms of upgrading our fleets without a powerball win. If anyone would like to buy me a 488 Pista or GT2 or 720S then I can share my banking details :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: . Jokes aside, I do think it was different to what he was expecting but he can comment with impressions if he spots this post too.

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I don't think anyone is quite prepared for how low and wide it is in real life

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I am finding as time goes on fewer and fewer people know what this car even is and that will only continue. A few youtube vids and listicles have mentioned it in the past while so maybe it will double again in value. Who knows LOL. The few that have come up for sale, even at eye watering prices considering what most of us paid for them, haven't lingered for very long (unless they had some kind of history). anyway even then I am not sure I would be able to bring myself to part with it. Maybe that is part of the Alfa-owner psychosis? That said Ferrari will give me a nice round 7 figures as a trade in which would be amazing if there was anything sub R4M that was an actual upgrade for the things I am looking for. I am still very much looking to add something rather than to replace the 4C.

As such the search for more money continues in order to bring this to life :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Like and subscribe

Thanks for reading. Until next year! :ROFLMAO:
Nice write up, glad you enjoying the car. It's really a special car, 3500km is good enough to have your fun with it while keeping it in tip top condition. Potenza race will cover both wet and dry conditions, if you almost certain you won't drive in the wet get the Trofeo R... I am building up a set for race days which I don't do often anyways but they will have Potenza Race wheels. I stumbled on this the other day

 

Mytfine

Well-known member
With the weight and in terms of matching the overall character of the car, the 4 pot turbo motor is plenty.... but they did use the tub mated to a Giulia QV Alfa V6 in the form of the Maserati MC20. Unfortunately it is absurdly priced between R6.5-7M. An evolution of both this motor and the carbon tub is also in the €2M Alfa 33 Stradale Hypercar which takes the same powertrain upped to 620hp or an electric with 750hp claimed. Of course being an Alfa, almost all the orders were configured with the V6 TT powertrain by those few lucky and rich 33 people invited to buy :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Anyway the front and rear subframe is different on the MC20 to accommodate the other bits and bobs but the tub is largely the same with some minor tweaks. The interior also has some parts that can be mixed and matched as guys have discovered LOL (Pics below)

The 4C and Ferrari California both started life as Maserati designs originally, The MC20 'reversed' this as it was supposed to have been the Alfa 6C.

Fiat/Chrysler and Stellantis really didn't know how to manage any of these brands over the years unfortunately. After the announcements of the MC20 and cancellation of the 6C, I assumed this car would not be competing with Ferrari/McLaren/Lamborghini and priced a tier (or at least half a tier) lower. Apparently so did Maserati at some point, with inital estimates being just below R4M which is already asking alot of the Maserati brand. However, priced the way they are, you have to really want one considering it is sharing space with the 765LT, 750S, Temarario, 296 etc. Same issue as the Lotus Emira that is in no man's land in terms of what it wants to be further down the food chain.

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Here is the 4C with the original 33 Stradale and new limited run 2 Million Euro modern version carrying the same name showing some of the DNA. Not quite Porsche levels of evolution, but it's there LOL

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The alfa specials have always been very pretty, Im not a fan of spoiler and wings and aero bits on modern super cars.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
The car feels very special but with the extra power and ageing tyres it has become a handful to drive, particularly in Winter. I was not about to 'waste' money on narrower tyres so I needed a set of rims that would allow me to delete my spacers AND run wider track-friendly tyres to actually use more of the power.

I maintained the 18/19 front/rear difference since I will also be using it for track use and track tyres in the 19/20 sizes would have been simply impossible to find in a matching front/rear config. The sidewalls would also end up being too narrow.

Special car deserves special things so after seeing some of @FiRi@Rennzport and Zaahier's handywork on 911s and Ms landing here I had been planning this for some time. A year of needing to be financially 'prudent' between kids and wife didn't help, but such is life. I was initially going to go with an ADV.1 style 2 piece design but it doesn't quite suit the 4C and is used on a lot of Ferrari builds as well. I also happened to come across a rep of it in Polo spec on marketplace and so I very suddenly didn't want it anymore :ROFLMAO: :unsure:
The next option was a rep of the Giulia QV wheel which is not difficult to find already off the shelf and while it isn't common on a 4C, a few local cars even have them. The design is also no the Giulia QV and Stelvio QV. Alfa OEM is not exactly 'dry' but these are also a little bit too OEM as well.

Then after all this wondering I looked at the pics above and decided to do the 33 Stradale wheel... because hey why not.

Firi and team recreated this from pictures of the 33 Stradale hypercar. In any case nobody would be able to get close to one of the 33 examples on earth LOL. There is one brave soul that created a variation of this design and put it on a 4C, but I think my iteration will be better... and unique for SA as well LOL. It is ultimately an evolution of a classic Alfa design (which is what I wanted to keep to - If I could get 8J/9.5J versions of my existing rims I would).

There was attention paid to the design, strength of the face and dimensions/specs with the spec independently proposed by Zaahier being exactly what I had calculated.

These go into production any day now so holding thumbs they will be as good as the renders look. I suspect it will be even better in person. I am still a couple of months (maybe less) out from these being here but very impressed by the work seen and the whole process of how they worked through the design, speccing it, giving consulting advice and how quick they are on renders and feedback.

These will be finished off in the GT3-ish satin paint with some custom centre caps. I thought of forging something into the rim surface but I feel the wheel is on the border of being complex in design as it is and it would detract from it. It will also be running Potenza Race tyres which is also what the 33 Strad has from the factory (Choice of sport or race)

Anyway here we go. Watch this space.

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MiniMike20

Well-known member
This is insane! Those wheels are going to look epic - I shared the posts on the Alfa Groups I am on - Such an awesome idea for such a special car.

Man I want to be back in an Alfa again - I miss my Mito QV so much.
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
Production is done! Brushed finish with clear colour referenced to 0Z1 Neodyme (though with the finish it is probably a bit different in person). After seeing the machining/finishing, this was the way to go: You can change the colour afterwards, but the brushed finish is not easily added after the fact.

I think I will be going with Potenza Race instead of the RE71-RS. Pirelli didn't seem interested in getting Trofeo Rs despite trying to contact them across many channels.

Now the long wait until they arrive...

@FiRi@Rennzport

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This will coincide with a fair bit of 4C work: fresh RBF660, fresh PPF (I have started removing the existing PPF myself), a new windscreen (which is a 21 day wait from italy and I am half way through it) as well as a set of Vari discs. I feel that while there is meat on the pads, the track days and breakfast runs have taken their toll on the discs themselves.

I am also removing the front lip and choosing between a Novitec front end treatment and a few less intrusive options

Novitec front (extensions on each side of the front) - This looks quite a bit more aggressive and '3D' in person and requires paint

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Maxton (in carbon - sort of a replacement for my scraped up custom one that is on the car now)

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or Koshi splitters (least aggressive)

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Unfortunately for low production cars there generally isn't a rep market for full bumpers (and the ones available are hellishly expensive to the point you only buy it if you REALLY like it). My ideal bumpers were unfortunately both extremely limited runs and won't be produced again even if I could justify the cost.

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The one that is available is Zender (which, like the ones above, is actually full carbon and a weight saving addition) which changes the shape of the car alot... and I could live with if it didn't cost R100K LOL Alot to pay for something you don't love.


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Chasing a Revuelto through the back roads has some consequences it seems. I was about due for a screen anyway though with pitting/sandblasting and a few other minor chips collected over the past few years. I last changed the windscreen in 2021 at which point it was about 12-13K. This price has now doubled and the part is a special order item from Italy as mentioned above.

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And I will find any reason to post this car... what a car...

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TBP88

Well-known member
Production is done! Brushed finish with clear colour referenced to 0Z1 Neodyme (though with the finish it is probably a bit different in person). After seeing the machining/finishing, this was the way to go: You can change the colour afterwards, but the brushed finish is not easily added after the fact.

I think I will be going with Potenza Race instead of the RE71-RS. Pirelli didn't seem interested in getting Trofeo Rs despite trying to contact them across many channels.

Now the long wait until they arrive...

@FiRi@Rennzport

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This will coincide with a fair bit of 4C work: fresh RBF660, fresh PPF (I have started removing the existing PPF myself), a new windscreen (which is a 21 day wait from italy and I am half way through it) as well as a set of Vari discs. I feel that while there is meat on the pads, the track days and breakfast runs have taken their toll on the discs themselves.

I am also removing the front lip and choosing between a Novitec front end treatment and a few less intrusive options

Novitec front (extensions on each side of the front) - This looks quite a bit more aggressive and '3D' in person and requires paint

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Maxton (in carbon - sort of a replacement for my scraped up custom one that is on the car now)

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or Koshi splitters (least aggressive)

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Unfortunately for low production cars there generally isn't a rep market for full bumpers (and the ones available are hellishly expensive to the point you only buy it if you REALLY like it). My ideal bumpers were unfortunately both extremely limited runs and won't be produced again even if I could justify the cost.

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The one that is available is Zender (which, like the ones above, is actually full carbon and a weight saving addition) which changes the shape of the car alot... and I could live with if it didn't cost R100K LOL Alot to pay for something you don't love.


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Chasing a Revuelto through the back roads has some consequences it seems. I was about due for a screen anyway though with pitting/sandblasting and a few other minor chips collected over the past few years. I last changed the windscreen in 2021 at which point it was about 12-13K. This price has now doubled and the part is a special order item from Italy as mentioned above.

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And I will find any reason to post this car... what a car...

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another day, another rim job.

Looks immense, can't wait to see it fitted.
 
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