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TurboLlew
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Thanks for all the adviceI think perhaps we've gone a bit off course here - didn't say I am looking to upgrade - simply considering something newer and with motor plan
Wants to change M140i
For something newer and with plan
Lists S4, M340i, M2 Comp, M235i/135i and New Gen S3 IN THE FIRST POST
Sorry I read all that and thought you wanted to upgrade!
Must be a me problem
Salt
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Pretty sure ya'll already said some of those aren't an upgrade š also didn't use the word upgrade anywhere hehe šWants to change M140i
For something newer and with plan
Lists S4, M340i, M2 Comp, M235i/135i and New Gen S3 IN THE FIRST POST
Sorry I read all that and thought you wanted to upgrade!
Must be a me problem
But seriously, the idea is really not to look for an outright upgrade. Not like when I was going from the 320d to the 140. But this time around the idea is more 'newer'. Yet, if it ends up being an upgrade that's a bonus. Also, as you alluded to earlier Llew, upgrade is subjective to one's needs and rightly so. I do see how some of those cars do tick the 'upgrade' box
Anyway, all the comments are still good advice and I appreciate it. Just thought I'd mention this so as to clarify šš»
Having said all that..would go Audi..but rather an S5..better in the most important metrics compared to an overly understated S4.š§
Salt
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I knew that was coming lol š
Iām starting to look around for a new car. I have a 2019 mineral white M340i with 48k km on. Very well specced. Mplan expires in Oct or Nov iirc. To extend for n year is like R25k or a full BMW warrenty is something like R17k for 2 years. Awesome cars, cannot fault them.
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I sold my m140 before going abroad for a bit. Great car, perfect for my needs, 4 doors and fun. Sold with 85k kms. Bought the clubman JCW last year when I came back. Real āfunā car, great interior, comfy seats and just a cool place to be and quick.
Practicality is the same as the 140. Almost the same size. Interior feels more roomy, but space is very similar to m140.
Itās no m140 though, the b58 is a gem. The b48 in the JCW is quick, but 4 pot aināt as nice as a 6. Feel like Iām always thrashing the little 2l.
I totally understand the value in Motorplan. Probably better to save for maintenance etc, but the value in worry free motoring is worth it for me. BUT I donāt think motorplan is so worth it Iād look at the S3 or S4ās, didnāt find them great. RSās seemed exciting, but overpriced.
Other than the m2 or maybe the m340 on your list, nothing else will give you the drive enjoyment of the m140.
Practicality is the same as the 140. Almost the same size. Interior feels more roomy, but space is very similar to m140.
Itās no m140 though, the b58 is a gem. The b48 in the JCW is quick, but 4 pot aināt as nice as a 6. Feel like Iām always thrashing the little 2l.
I totally understand the value in Motorplan. Probably better to save for maintenance etc, but the value in worry free motoring is worth it for me. BUT I donāt think motorplan is so worth it Iād look at the S3 or S4ās, didnāt find them great. RSās seemed exciting, but overpriced.
Other than the m2 or maybe the m340 on your list, nothing else will give you the drive enjoyment of the m140.
Salt
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Noted and thank you - good to hear this from a previous owner. I must be very honest - I am worried about missing that B58 when looking at the M135/M235 - but will give them a go and see. The S4 was very nice, seats were extremely comfy and the ride was def better than the 140, great spec too - but the performance is underwhelming, regardless of that it says on paper - might be fast but you don't experience it like in the 140. B58 aside, I would not mind something with the newer interiors. I miss something like Android auto - for me personally its very useful for a few reasons. The look and feel of the newer interiors really make it a nice place to be inside. The other thing with something like the F87 M2 - their interiors are pretty much exactly the same as the 140 - so no real upgrade there in terms of interior except the M seats. My car has CF trimming inside and alcatara steering wheel cover and OEM M Perf carpets. I think my biggest conern would be that I miss it...but I know if I test drive something I'll know - the S4 for example I knew wasn't the one after the drive.
Yulz9081
Honorary ///Member
You will miss the B58. I have a B48 in the form of the JCW and drove the X1 M35i as a potential replacement at one point but it's just not the same.
Your B58 is heaps lighter and in turn probably more fun to drive than mine but man, every time I drive the Mini or test drove other B48's, it's fun and all but I miss driving the X3. That engine is just sublime, I can't fault it as long as I'm in Motorplan and have all 6 cylinders
Your B58 is heaps lighter and in turn probably more fun to drive than mine but man, every time I drive the Mini or test drove other B48's, it's fun and all but I miss driving the X3. That engine is just sublime, I can't fault it as long as I'm in Motorplan and have all 6 cylinders
You got to spend money then.
You not getting anything with a better interior, with better performance/driver orientation and space for under R1M.
Not sure I saw budget in the thread but to get everything you seem to want in a relatively new package, with lots of MP left, as well as a performance oriented car, is going to be 7 figures
Agreed.Just buy an X3 and get it over with
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X3M and all sorted š¤Ŗ
TurboLlew
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Yeah agree. Going to be mid-7 figures to get all the upgrades that (salt apparently doesn't want), plus motorplan.
(Sorry @Salt I am going to milk this one
)In all seriousness you're going to have to drop one of your requirements if shopping below R1M. I assumed you were at or slightly above this though with M340 and S4 on the menu.
Alot of cars don't support android auto. When they do, somehow they don't support wireless android auto even when they have wireless carplay. At least this was true until very recently (like where the cars would be out of your price range). Anyway there are ways and means around this via coding (in some cases), dongles and adapters depending on the car you get so don't write it off just for not having AA out the box. iDrive with Bluetooth isn't bad and it has its own benefits and feel to it. I've accidentally left my wifi off a few times and used it because I'd already set off and wasn't in the mood to fiddle. If you have some specific requirements obviously that won't work though.
Trouble having something like the B58 where it is pretty much the top of it's game is that you will end up having to buy the M a step beyond where you're coming from (so an M3/4 or even 5) or something like a Porsche (like everyone else seems to be
) to get something materially different. From what your'e describing in terms of the feel/power delivery etc, even cars WITH a B58 are going to feel a bit less engaging for what you're after, unless you're getting a Z4 M40i (Maybe?). It's just physics
Salt
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Hahaha all good, I'll take it - I know it comes from a good place š. I've found in the past that having these conversations with ya'll helps one consider all the options and ideas and helps one narrow down the options and prioritize the list of wants. I'll test drive a few cars mentioned, I know I must to help me make a decision...if that is to keep the 140 in the end. I've thought that if I keep it and let the plan lapse I can install an aftermarket android head unit. On the contrary if I keep it for another 3/4 years, where will the mileage be and the value then to trade. Lots to consider and it always takes a good while to make a decision. Thanks for baring with me (and my list of non upgrade upgrade cars lol). Going to try test a few cars this week. 2021 model M340's are available with sub 40k km mileage on for +- R850k so def think one can have the newer interior, still a B58 and motor plan for under a bar.Yeah agree. Going to be mid-7 figures to get all the upgrades that (salt apparently doesn't want), plus motorplan.
(Sorry @Salt I am going to milk this one
In all seriousness you're going to have to drop one of your requirements if shopping below R1M. I assumed you were at or slightly above this though with M340 and S4 on the menu.
Alot of cars don't support android auto. When they do, somehow they don't support wireless android auto even when they have wireless carplay. At least this was true until very recently (like where the cars would be out of your price range). Anyway there are ways and means around this via coding (in some cases), dongles and adapters depending on the car you get so don't write it off just for not having AA out the box. iDrive with Bluetooth isn't bad and it has its own benefits and feel to it. I've accidentally left my wifi off a few times and used it because I'd already set off and wasn't in the mood to fiddle. If you have some specific requirements obviously that won't work though.
Trouble having something like the B58 where it is pretty much the top of it's game is that you will end up having to buy the M a step beyond where you're coming from (so an M3/4 or even 5) or something like a Porsche (like everyone else seems to be
Spending almost double what you would likely get for your M140i for an M340i......that would be a tough pill, just for MP peace of mind and newer interior/AWD.....
I think I would keep the M140i, get a warranty and have tons of money spare for unforeseens, if I wasn't going to get an ///M post the M140i. And you not going to lose much relatively on the M140i I.T.O depreciation and it's a pretty reliable engine to hold long term.
I think I would keep the M140i, get a warranty and have tons of money spare for unforeseens, if I wasn't going to get an ///M post the M140i. And you not going to lose much relatively on the M140i I.T.O depreciation and it's a pretty reliable engine to hold long term.
r0ckf1re
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Iāve owned an M135i (3 door) and it was plenty fun and very different drive compared to my 440i. M135i felt more fun tbh, it felt aggressive. The B58 was just absolutely rapid and a very linear feel to the acceleration. They both have very different ways of putting the power down.
My 440i was in its 9th year and just touched 40k kmās, had a DP for about 1 year. I didnāt experience any major issues, except for squeaky brakes at times. After owning both variants I agree, donāt sell it B58 for an N55, you will regret it, get an M performance exhaust ( if you donāt have one) and a DP, the sound it just addictive and you will enjoy the car all over again. I canāt think of another car that you wonāt have to spend double the money and no guarantee you will enjoy it twice as much. If you looking for a refreshed interior and tech, then pretty much anything new will suffice but at the risk of the losing every other aspect of performance for the same/similar price. Get an aftermarket warranty if Motorplan is a concern, you probably will still be in a better space than a replacement. Personally, I find the Audis boring, just look around, seems to me like there is way more BMWs on the road, than Audis, VW (performance cars) or Mercs.
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My 440i was in its 9th year and just touched 40k kmās, had a DP for about 1 year. I didnāt experience any major issues, except for squeaky brakes at times. After owning both variants I agree, donāt sell it B58 for an N55, you will regret it, get an M performance exhaust ( if you donāt have one) and a DP, the sound it just addictive and you will enjoy the car all over again. I canāt think of another car that you wonāt have to spend double the money and no guarantee you will enjoy it twice as much. If you looking for a refreshed interior and tech, then pretty much anything new will suffice but at the risk of the losing every other aspect of performance for the same/similar price. Get an aftermarket warranty if Motorplan is a concern, you probably will still be in a better space than a replacement. Personally, I find the Audis boring, just look around, seems to me like there is way more BMWs on the road, than Audis, VW (performance cars) or Mercs.
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///M Individual
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Agreed.
Keep the M140i @Salt.
Still lots more fun to be had with it after plan with a DP and maybe a remap!
TBP88
Well-known member
You'll lose more trading now, then re-trading a new car in another 4 yrs than you will just driving your (presumably either close to actually) paid off car. By a long-long-long way.
@OP, the only one on that list that is gonna give you more fizz, is an M2Comp. Or just do what everyone else here is doing, save up until you can upgrade to a porsche
TurboLlew
Honorary ///Member
You'll lose more trading now, then re-trading a new car in another 4 yrs than you will just driving your (presumably either close to actually) paid off car. By a long-long-long way.
@OP, the only one on that list that is gonna give you more fizz, is an M2Comp. Or just do what everyone else here is doing, save up until you can upgrade to a porsche
Even I am slowly giving up on italian-hunting and looking at GT3s and 2s again with all this Porsche FOMO LOL
. Does one hunt for the right ancient 458 or repaired 488 forever or get a much newer GT3 RS (as boring of an option as it is)? (Though is your bucket list purchase supposed to make you feel that way? š)@Salt you know that I will forever be a proponent of keeping the current car and building a slush fund up in an interest-bearing account/investment that will get you ready (sooner than you think) for owning an exciting car out of plan or getting what you 'really' want. It will only improve your options. New things are nice (as is the shopping process sometimes) but once the praise and dopamine hit wears off you will need to live with looking at something that may not be exactly what you wanted and at these levels of spending, that kind of compromise would not work for me.
As much as spending this is now somehow 'normal', Anything R1M+ is not a small amount and it is more than people are paying for houses CURRENTLY or the entire education for their children NOW... and over much longer time frames (I have no doubt someone from Cape Town will reply to this comment and say R1M will get you a shack in Khayelitsha, but anyway the national average house price is R1.4M
). You need to look at that item at the end of the day and have zero regrets because the (frankly) poor use of the money had better be offset by the love for the car and not have you longing for the past or wishing for the future... And even in a good few years you should find yourself wondering (as you are with your 140i) whether the upgrade is really worth it . Your indecision in upgrading makes me feel like you actually made the right move with you M140i at the time.I would do the android auto-compatible head unit you mention, a baller set of seats to keep things interesting for you and watch the bank balance grow 'til I could get into the right thing. Whenever and whatever that may be. It may scratch the itch for a while
