...Xcede What?

[BonedM3]

I thought we always took our best figures, 2 days before my car made 258hp….and the other E46 you did has de cat also. I saw Rowen posting he has de cat on the carsforum

Maybe you need to read before you post. That is not Rowen's car. That is a DIFFERENT car. IT made 260 with no decatt. More than your car. With no decatt. And it's the old spec which makes less power.

Hey Sher how come all the S54’s you are doing seem to be dogs? Shane himself will tell you that they normally make over 243hp on his dyno.

Shane is not an expert on the S54. The ones I have dyno'd are old spec, pre-LED. They make less power. But what are your cronies trying to imply here? The cars made that power. Shane dyno'd it. What does that have to do with anything? You know from realOEM that the LED spec has different part numebrs for the cams. At the dyno days at Snail I notice the old specs's dyno about 175 and the LED spec about 185kw. If you want to insinuate anything, so investigations first. I can't control what the car comes in with. That dyno I posted ot that M3 (NO IT's NOT ROWEN'S CAR), I wasn't even there. Both for the stock and chipped runs. I was not present and the car gained 30hp.

I have owned 3 cars with S54, a 2009 Z4 M coupe, made 184kw on KAR
A 2005 E46 M 184kw atw stock, 190kw with FRC
Current E46 M 193kw atw stock and the same with FRC, holds the power all the way to 8400rpm

I'm happy for you. Those are all LED spec with the new cams. Post your graph please. I want to see the gains and the peak on KAR. We posted a few of ours. Instead of acting like jealous children and criticising, post your graph. I dare you.

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The threashold on that motor with software only is about 193 to 195kw max

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Who told you that? The VAG N75 experts? Or are you the expert. That is not the threshold. You know nothing about S54 tuning, and neither do your D&G gods.

And BTW we wouldn't do any R&D on your car. All the R&D is done already. But I wouldn't be interested in doing anything for any of your cars anyway. Cheers, we'll have a dop next time.

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Sher this has nothing to do with jealously, you are the only person worldwide to make these claims. The likes of Dinan and other tuning companies are unable to do these things. This is a public forum so why not question, criticize.


Every S54 you have done so far hasn’t made more than 195kw atw (software only). Shane may not be an expert on S54 but I am sure he is awake when he has one on his rollers. He is then able to reference the power that the car has unleashed.
You are correct I know nothing about tuning, maybe you can teach me, I learn quickly.
Yeah sure we can have a dop next time

 

[anile8-zn]

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

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oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

 

[BonedM3]

Sher the car has a new map, on FRC dyno the car makes power to 8300 8400 rpm...

 

[tashen]

oh god look like the peanut gallery just arrived. Guess what buddy i can put up 10k so whats your point exactly? MR HOTSHOT lol

You're now questioning a dyno in Cape Town that all the BMW boys here use.
So should i arrange someone from Zeemax to step in?

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

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oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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[Sherwin@xcede]

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

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oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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Anile, do you want my banking details? Go to Old Dutch. Sit in front of them. Ask them about Craig's car. We gained 30hp on ODr dyno. Please comment on that.

Darren, what's your opinion on those gains?

 

[BonedM3]

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

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oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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no thanks......

 

[anile8-zn]

yes please do , please explain how a dyno reflecting flywheel power is actually wheel power!!!
just dyno your car on a dastek dyno bud .
i am not intersted in your conpsiracy story about flywheel power being wheel power on that dyno.
u welcome to add your 10k to my 5k
that way if excede dont make 24kw atw on a bone stock m3
i get 15k

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Every S54 you have done so far hasn’t made more than 195kw atw (software only). Shane may not be an expert on S54 but I am sure he is awake when he has one on his rollers. He is then able to reference the power that the car has unleashed.

Shane doesn't know that there is an old spec and new spec. I see him very often. You can't bade your opinion on what he says they should make. He dyno'd the cars. Ask him why they made that power. Why you asking me?

 

[BonedM3]

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

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oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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Anile, do you want my banking details? Go to Old Dutch. Sit in front of them. Ask them about Craig's car. We gained 30hp on ODr dyno. Please comment on that.

Darren, what's your opinion on those gains?

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is that software only?

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Sher this has nothing to do with jealously, you are the only person worldwide to make these claims. The likes of Dinan and other tuning companies are unable to do these things. This is a public forum so why not question, criticize.

Post your gains on KAR. I want to criticise your 1kw gain.

 

[anile8-zn]

they have told me this already however
1.we cant be sure craigs car was 100 percent stock
2.we cant ascertain the adaption on craigs car prior to the reflash.
3.gains like this should be repeatable on 99 percent of the cars you do, i have not heard of one after craig.

also is craigs car the led spec?
i am not saying its impossible , but why not invite everyone to a dyno day .take 3 cars and flash them and show us the gains
that way u will shut me up forever and i will bow to your awesome tuning ability.

my 5k still stands for the above experiment

and please enlighten me sherwin as to how u can claim 24kw atw on tashens cars , as the graph says flywheel. i am sure u remember the bimmerworks problems.
i am not concerned with 25g's i am asking about the figures on the graph

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

---

oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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Anile, do you want my banking details? Go to Old Dutch. Sit in front of them. Ask them about Craig's car. We gained 30hp on ODr dyno. Please comment on that.

Darren, what's your opinion on those gains?

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[Sherwin@xcede]

i would pay to see xcede take a bone stock car , and make 24kw atw with it
daren what u say u keen?
i will put up 5k , if i am wrong so be it
at least this way the gains can be put to test

---

oh forgot , tashen posted a graph of his m3 on this forum claimimg 24kw atw
turns out its 24kw at the FLY . as the graph clearly states engine power.
maybe this is where the confusion is coming from

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Anile, do you want my banking details? Go to Old Dutch. Sit in front of them. Ask them about Craig's car. We gained 30hp on ODr dyno. Please comment on that.

Darren, what's your opinion on those gains?

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is that software only?

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Yes for crying out loud. It was done within a few hours ont he same day. The car wasn't even unstrapped from the dyno.

Anile, are you going to be a man of your word and transfer R5K to me.

This was done at ODr with them dynoing.

 

[tashen]

What you fail to understand is that a gain is a gain.
And the dyno is just a measuring tool. My car gained and best part i can feel it on the road. 5kw is awfully hard to feel on the butt dyno. I'm sure a man of your experience and status would know this. Still beats me why you spend your time on forums. You're a star! But hey nice work at trying to discredit us on yet another forum. Seems you're not completely satisfied with your tuner preference... Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Every S54 you have done so far hasn’t made more than 195kw atw (software only). Shane may not be an expert on S54 but I am sure he is awake when he has one on his rollers. He is then able to reference the power that the car has unleashed.

Shane doesn't know that there is an old spec and new spec. I see him very often. You can't bade your opinion on what he says they should make. He dyno'd the cars. Ask him why they made that power. Why you asking me?

 

[BonedM3]

Every S54 you have done so far hasn’t made more than 195kw atw (software only). Shane may not be an expert on S54 but I am sure he is awake when he has one on his rollers. He is then able to reference the power that the car has unleashed.

Shane doesn't know that there is an old spec and new spec. I see him very often. You can't bade your opinion on what he says they should make. He dyno'd the cars. Ask him why they made that power. Why you asking me?

because sometimes Shane forgets to put in the correction factor and only realises that after. you can ask him a few weeks ago my car made 230hp we thought something was wrong, he then changed to correction factor to what it should be and then the power 257hp...

and you have seen my car go, it aint slow

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

they have told me this already however
1.we cant be sure craigs car was 100 percent stock

Whatever it was, it gained 30hp with software.

2.we cant ascertain the adaption on craigs car prior to the reflash.

They did many runs on the dyno for stock. It's a loading dyno. You have to do a few runs. It had adapted. Your desperation is showing when you clutch art straws.

3.gains like this should be repeatable on 99 percent of the cars you do, i have not heard of one after craig.

Geez, your comprehension sucks. I have done 9 since then and they all gained. Are you not reading. Did you see the SMG that went from 228 to 260 at KAR. I just heard it made 265 when he went back. I didn't even know. What about Rowens car? What abotu Radz gaining 20hp jsut changing sofware. What about Tahsen. What about the 20 others we have done.

and please enlighten me sherwin as to how u can claim 24kw atw on tashens cars , as the graph says flywheel. i am sure u remember the bimmerworks problems.
i am not concerned with 25g's i am asking about the figures on the graph

I don't know where I claimed wheel power gain, if I claimed anything at all. Please point me to the thread. But it did gain 24kw. That's what was posted.

 

[anile8-zn]

tashen , a gain on the motor is not a gain on the wheels
for example
my brothers bone stock z4 made 241kw on the motor at bimmerworks
then we changed it to wheel reading and it read 180kw
this was 4th gear , 3rd gear read less.

my point is hyper power can show both readings
u need to take out drivetrain loss too see wheel power.

come now u arent that dense

if u claiming flywheel power in hyper power dyno's to be wheel kw
then i made 306kw there on my 335i , then i hold the record for the strongest 335i ever in dbn

 

[BonedM3]

Sher this has nothing to do with jealously, you are the only person worldwide to make these claims. The likes of Dinan and other tuning companies are unable to do these things. This is a public forum so why not question, criticize.

Post your gains on KAR. I want to criticise your 1kw gain.

i will post tomorrow, i have them in my car. I am driving the GTI.

You can criticise my car as much as you like; the fact is, my car is up there with all your 24kw car gains

 

[anile8-zn]

this is ludicrous , u only post results of cars that start off on the low end of the power scale
and then chip them to make normal figures.
rad's has cams and work
rowen has de-cat
tashen made 24kw at the fly

your evidence is weak here mate.

take my challenge , end of story , a tuner of your caibre can prove this easily in front on a group of enthusiasts
and not on a serious of modded or monday cars

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can u imagine that frc 1kw = 24 xcede kw

imagine when u do the decat daren , then u will be faster than the 24kw chipped m3's

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

because sometimes Shane forgets to put in the correction factor and only realises that after. you can ask him a few weeks ago my car made 230hp we thought something was wrong, he then changed to correction factor to what it should be and then the power 257hp...

That's great, but if you look at the Z4 graph, the E39 graph, Rowen's graph the CF is the same. They were done on the same day. The graphs are here on this forum, go look at them.

What do you think of the ODR gain. Zero correction. You got no comment on that?

 

[BonedM3]

tashen , a gain on the motor is not a gain on the wheels
for example
my brothers bone stock z4 made 241kw on the motor at bimmerworks
then we changed it to wheel reading and it read 180kw
this was 4th gear , 3rd gear read less.

my point is hyper power can show both readings
u need to take out drivetrain loss too see wheel power.

come now u arent that dense

if u claiming flywheel power in hyper power dyno's to be wheel kw
then i made 306kw there on my 335i , then i hold the record for the strongest 335i ever in dbn

true 3rd gear does indeed read less....

my X e46 in 3rd made 188kw and then tested in 4th made 202kw atw

Tashen car was done in 4th