Which brand of petrol/diesel is really best ?

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Kobus328i

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Guys and Girls

Which brand of petrol/diesel is really best ? Is there really a difference between Shell and Engine and Sasol and Total and and and ? Have you really experienced a difference in using different brands of petrol/diesel. Have you had an increase in power or better/smoother performance ? Have you experienced better fuel economy ?

The reason I ask is actually more specific to diesels as a friend of mine has a 2001 E46 320d and asked me this question.

What are your thoughts or scientific evidence to this question. I think I will put up a poll later if there is enough interest in this topic.

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bmsportzn135i

///Member
I have noticed that my BT50 3.0CRD gets about 80km more on a tank with the new Shell nitro diesel.

Other wise im sure theyre all much of a muchness.
 

Rommies

Active member
Hi Kobus,

There is most definitely a difference.

I'm pretty sure the petrol comes essentially from the same supplier...but the companies modify the fuel with additives and claim their fuel is best and cleans better etc. etc.

I have put in a full tank of petrol with Engen (95 primax), and when we run logs...there is heavy timing pull on the cylinders. (In other words the car pings and then it retards the timing to prevent damage) "Timing pull" can also be seen on dyno graphs...the graph will be very jumpy. (Talking about the GTi)

When we put in BP 95...we run logs again...and then the timing has jumped from -6/-7 to 0 timing. Which is good.

So from now on I only gooi Bp 95...even in my advanced driving course they recommend Bp 95 above all other stations.

Shell was always good...but now with the V power nitro plus...I don't know what they did...the okes are complaining left, right and centre about their cars run bad and severe timing pull even to -8 degrees.


My Gti has been pulling -5/-6 timing for a while now. I have been doing supporting mods to ensure maximum cooling and better spark.

Yes I have gone through a few intakes/sparkplugs/coil packs and different maps and we still couldn't figure out why my car pulls timing so badly.

So in the end...they asked me which fuel am I using and I replied Engen 95 primax...and everyone told me to fill up with Bp two-three times and come log again...

So I did just that.

With exactly the same mods I went to do logging and the timing was zero! (in the middle of the hot day)

I went for a dyna run again and voila! Graph looks much smoother and I made quite a bit more power!

fuel quality is definitely different. I'm sure people will say the same with diesel and give their input.

Ps:
Here is a e-mail I received not too long ago
Petrol is becoming more and more expensive!
My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are
some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every litre.

Here at the Marian Hill Pipeline where I work in Durban, we deliver
about 4 million litres in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One
day is diesel
the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, LRP and Unleaded. We have
34-storage
tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 litres.

Only buy or fill up your car or bakkie in the early morning when the
ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations
have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more
dense the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon
or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a litre. In the petroleum
business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol,
diesel and jet
fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A
1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the
service
stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a
fast
mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages:
low,
middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed,
thereby
minimizing the vapours that are created while you are pumping. All
hoses at
the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate,
some of
the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are
being
sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're
getting less
worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your tank is HALF
FULL.
The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank the less
air
occupying its empty space. petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine.
Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof
serves as
zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes
the
evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck
that we
load is temperature compensated so that every litre is actually the
exact
amount. Another reminder, if there is a fuel truck pumping into the
storage
tanks when you stop to buy, DO NOT fill up-most likely the
petrol/diesel is
being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick
up some of
the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.
Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.

DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!
 

ChefDJ

///Member
I hear a lot of praise about Shell these days.

My experience... One Engen can be different from another :dunno:

I say the quality lies with the garage as an individual, not a group...
 

ejza335

New member
I've SEEN station owners adding either water and/or paraffin to the petrol tanks to up volume available, choose your station wisely when traveling through less populated areas is all I can say. My stop is BP.
 
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SP33DYV

Guest
I only use BP 95 in the 1M, don't ask why, BP is just my preference and they sponsor the BMW driving academy.
 

Fordkoppie

///Member
With the older engines that does not have knock sensors I have noticed that Sasol petrol makes one of our other cars detonate. Any other 95 octane fuel in that particular car is fine as long as it is not Sasol.
 

Rayzor

Well-known member
On the Diesel i felt that Sasol and caltex runs smoother, didnt try BP Shell made me smoke allot for some reason :dunno: so i just stick to sasol and caltex, plus the ones i fill at are a few cents cheaper than other station. :thumbs:
 

131GAV

///Member
I have also heard that in instance when there is a shortage from one supplier they tend to sell fuel to each other... I think I heard this from someone who worked at Sasol who mentioned they sometimes supply other brands.....
 

Rambam

New member
Personally I get between 30 and 50km more per tank from my E46 320i when using Caltex as opposed to Engen. Not sure about Shell or Sasol.
 

AshG108

///Member
I have filled Engen so far, seems to be doing okay...cant see any smoke at all, too scared to look back after banging the boost pedal..:fencelook:
 

328ii

New member
1. Shell
2. Sasol
3. BP
4. Total
5. The rest are mostly Sasol derivatives anyways

Source : Sasol petro-chemical engineer.
 

frikkieh

///Member
Sasol or Engen for me.
Had bad experience with Shell N2 Scottburg. Car performed irratic after a refuel there.
 

WyKiD

Active member
Only used 1 tank so far but got about 70 km more using the new Shell nitro...generally stick to Shell...no definitive reason...
 
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