Want to buy M3 E46

AndreasSA

Member
Hi Guys!

i am new to this forum and I want to buy a M3E46 SMG...would also take a CSL...

I have some questions:

What is the actual price range for normal M3 and CSL?
Can you advise a good workshop to do maintenance works?
Where do I get engine tune up (carbon air box, Camshafts, installation, set up on dyno)?
Where do I get a nice exhaust? Original sound is horrible I think...

Would be great to receive some advises, many thanks!
 

AndreasSA

Member
Thanks for your quick reply! :ty:

I am checking autuotrade already a while...

One CSL was offered to me already...500.000...with more than 70.0000 on it...have not seen it yet, will do next week...
 

gconry18

///Member
Hi

I had been looking at the same recently and can advise on a couple of the points.

Good condition M3s go for around 180k-250k. Expect to pay at least 200k if you want something properly clean, speak to slotcars1.

The CSL is extremely desirable so sellers can sometimes end up charging what they want. Fordkoppie recently sold his and I think it was advertised at 490k.

To get a tune up I think Zeemax would be a good place to take it. Not sure if they are only in CT though.

If you think the rasp of the M3 is horrible then maybe it's not the car you are after, there are many aftermarket options but I dont think there are any that really remove the rasp. I think Burgy@ProjectShift complained about the rasp on his M3 a couple years back, not sure what he did.
 

AndreasSA

Member
gconry18 said:
Hi

I had been looking at the same recently and can advise on a couple of the points.

Good condition M3s go for around 180k-250k. Expect to pay at least 200k if you want something properly clean, speak to slotcars1.

The CSL is extremely desirable so sellers can sometimes end up charging what they want. Fordkoppie recently sold his and I think it was advertised at 490k.

To get a tune up I think Zeemax would be a good place to take it. Not sure if they are only in CT though.

If you think the rasp of the M3 is horrible then maybe it's not the car you are after, there are many aftermarket options but I dont think there are any that really remove the rasp. I think Burgy@ProjectShift complained about the rasp on his M3 a couple years back, not sure what he did.

Thanks for your information!

I had an M3E46 conv. in Germany, with an Eisemann Exhaust the sound was much better! You can remove this sound completely with smaller modifications...several friends did it in Gemrany also..

I am aware of the CSL history and the fact that its still quite expensive...but I love the car!
 

///Maniac

Well-known member
Zeemax is a definite NO!!! They don't have a good reputation. If in CT, I believe Garage 808 is good.
 

Crash_Nemesis

///Member
Hey, Welcome to the forum.

e46 M3's go anywhere between 150k to 300k.

The former being an old abused M3 and the latter being a young well looked after M3.

I promise you now, if you go for the cheaper M3, you're only going to pay in the long run with heavy maintenance bills as these cars are not cheap to maintain if everything starts breaking together at the same time. The expression, cheaper is more expensive applies here. Things that you will want to look out for, are the rear subframe tears that appear ontop of the boot floor and where the rear suspension mounts. These are signs of a "Well used" e46 M3 and I would steer well clear of this. Another sign is a noisy vanos unit. Listen for this noise when starting up the car --

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This is caused by exhaust cam hubs rattling on the vanos unit and can be catastrophic if they break or fail. Stay away from this.

Remember, cars before 2003 where prone to having big end bearing failures on the crank. If you do decide to buy an M3 from 2003 or before, check the service records with BMW to ensure the car was indeed recalled to have these bearings replaced.

If you are up here in Jhb, A1exander from Axis Engine works is the gentleman to see regarding keeping your e46 M3 and it's S54B32 engine in good healthy nick. He can fix the above Vanos rattle. I would suggest the first thing you do when you buy your e46 M3 is come and visit A1exander and have the vanos seals, anti rattle and exhaust hub job done. This will ensure you will never have vanos issues. The kits available today improve the design flaws of the S54 double Vanos.

I can speak from experience as I had a full engine rebuild with them and many other users on this forum who own e46 m3's have had their cars revitalized and given the all clear by A1exander. Billybob's M3 was down on power and having rough idle. A1exander replaced Vanos seals and found intake leaks on the intake manifold. He fixed this issue and the car gained 10nm torque to the wheels and a smooth idle.

CSL's are a special breed and obviously come with a hefty price tag as they are collectibles. Expect to pay R500k and insurance to boot.

If you are wanting to modify and do upgrades, there are many forum sponsors who supply tuning and other mods, take a look at the advertisers section. I personally use Project Shift to import all my engine mods, like forged pistons, rods, racing valves, my supercharger kit etc.

Using Billybob's car once again as an example, Project Shift installed a Custom CSL intake on his car with Alpha N tune, he gained power. You will need to speak with him in regards to how much exactly. Project Shift have also installed Alpha N software on a supercharged e46 m3 that before coming to them, was undrivable due to tuning. They are currently building a turbo charged e46 M3 at the moment. Speak to Burgy for more info.

Hope this helps you in your decision to get an e46 m3.
 

AndreasSA

Member
Thanks for your input! I am already aware of all the things that need to be looked at if you want to buy an M3...I had one 6 years and modified it also...

I would never turbocharge an M3....sorry to say but it destroys the philosphie of the car in my opinion...

Are you guys here aware of the fact that the problems with the crank shaft bearings are still there? There is no M3 (after 2003) which did not have issues with the bearings...most of the engines blow up around 120.000 to 140.000km....

Another issue is the connection of the back axle to the chassis....the chassis is cracking there if you use your SMG on 5 all the time...

Next one is damage of the gasket between cylinder head and engine....blow through between cylinder 5 and 6 very often...

Next one is tear on the shafts for the valves ....

Maybe all this is not happening here due to your speed limit, in Germany the cars are used in a different way I guess...
 

AndreasSA

Member
Thanks for the information! I need to check your vids at home, blocked here...

A lot of guys in Germany also tried various kind of coatings on th ebearings....it did not last...I would change them frequently (depending on the use of the car) and would change the engine oil more often! It became clear that the 30.000km interval of BMW is far too long!
 

Ga-3M

Well-known member
I didn't know that the bearing issue remained on post '03 models!? Will shorter oil service intervals help a lot with prevention of any major problems with regards to the bearing problem?
 

slotcars1

///Member
My advice (and I am by no means an expert).

Look long and hard, drive a few, and don't be tempted by each one that looks good...

There are plenty around with drop dead gorgeous bodies but what lies beneath is a shit storm money pit.

Crash, as you can see from above is the go to guy... he assisted me. The one I have now is number 49 that I looked at... and it is by no means perfect, but pretty darn close.

Also get Cois to check the history, and make a decision from there. My one for example was in the name of a panel shop once, which raised red flags for me... I gave them a call and chatted to the shop owners son, who owned the car and they had just run the car through the business for tax purposes. This guy actually still had the spare key for my car which he is going to send down. He also gave me his end of the history that he knew about before his purchase.

All these little things, help one feel at ease before parting with the money.
 
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