Urgent help please. Being Shnaaid by bosch.

Hi the there. I can't write down my whole dilemma as I will end up with a book. I need to telephonically speake to the person with the best knowledge of the e90 320i vehicles. It seems i bought a raw deal from wesbank and bosch and trying to build up a legal case. But I need some exert advice please. This forum has help a lot in the past and I know the Bmw brotherhood will come through again. Thanks in advance. Regards , Dewald
 

ChefDJ

///Member
You bought a vehicle from Wesbank?

As in auction?

Aren't those cars sold as is, problems known or not?
 
It was a private sale. The car went to bosch for a 150 point check and was given the all clear. After taking ownership a lot of crap started. Vanos, AFM , 4 x injectors etc. I am convinced that bosch checked liked their backsides. Bmw Autobahn confirms this but do not want to put it in writing. Ive only had the car for 2 months. Are these items things that can pack up so quickly or is bosch in the wrong? And how do i prove it?


They listened to the vanos. Not checked, but listened. And that is now one of the the problems.
 

Geoffro1

New member
If Bosch did a "150 point"..they should have some type of list they are checking...150 things that the technician should be ticking off. Ask them for their list/job card etc I cannot help you legally but worked in a dealership for 10 years so have a little info technically if I can help 082 8282000
 

ChefDJ

///Member
Vanos is not something that is covered in these however many point checks, and nor are parts like injectors. It's as good as saying you need to check the pistons for any knocking evidence to determine the health of the motor and so you take it for this 150 point check. They cannot check those items. Those checks are for small items like "are all the lights working correctly" or "tyre tread still within roadworthy status" etc.

You will be surprised as to how many tiny things are checked to add up to those 150 points. Each tyre checked for tread depth will be a point, so there's 4 gone already. Then they will check each tyre for uneven wear, so there's another 4 points gone. To completely check the health status of a vehicle, its engine, suspension, chassis condition etc would lead to a check exercise of thousands of points, and this just isn't done.

In any case, that check is not a legal guarantee bound to a vehicle's sale/condition of sale.

Also, private sales are not covered by the CPA such as dealership sales are. You bought the car voetstoots, as is. You can't take it back within 6 months because of faults, etc.
 
On the check list it clearly states. Injectors, obd , vanos and so on. The sale was handled by wesbank, title gaurd and bosch to protect me the buyer. There is no more "AS IS" law. My argument is that if they did a proper obd as they said they should have picked up these issues like bmw said. Im sitting with a repair bill of over R25 000. For a vehicles that i just purchased.
 

boost3d

Honorary ///Member
Wesbank will not assist you, or be held liable in any way. They are merely the financial institution where you loaned the money from. You can give them a call, but I am sure they are just going to echo the above sentiment.
 

ChefDJ

///Member
Dewald_Bark said:
On the check list it clearly states. Injectors, obd , vanos and so on. The sale was handled by wesbank, title gaurd and bosch to protect me the buyer. There is no more "AS IS" law. My argument is that if they did a proper obd as they said they should have picked up these issues like bmw said. Im sitting with a repair bill of over R25 000. For a vehicles that i just purchased.


How long was the vehicle in for the check to be carried out?
 

zippy320

Well-known member
Don't want to sound harsh or anything but when ever there are legal matters it always sounds harsh LoL but anyway this is what I know .

From my knowledge,
If the private seller that you purchased the car from is not involved in any business of selling and buying cars his not considered a "Supplier" as per the CPA , then the Voetstoets clause "as is " does apply . The CPA did not abolish that clause , To my knowledge it only really apply to business .

Especially if you had taken the car for the check up and in yours and the sellers mind , there was nothing wrong with it . Unless you can prove that he deliberately hid the defects . Then maybe you have a case , but in all honesty , you will spend more money in the courts with this then just fixing the problems .

Westbank wont help you , they are just the finance house , you needed money to buy the car , you borrowed from them .

As with the above , you will have to prove that Bosh were negligent in their checkup , but then as well , what are you going to get out from them ? They wont buy the car from you and reimburse you , you didn't buy it from them. Whats their terms and conditions say? If you wanted a full proper check on the car maybe BMW would have been a better option?

You should go back to the seller and speak to them . But if he says that he does not have any prior knowledge of the problems before he sold the car to you, and you can not prove that he did have knowledge of the problem before he sold it to you , then im afraid there is nothing you can do about it .

Its the buyers responsibility to prove that the seller had knowledge of the damage/ problems before selling the product and that he sold it without telling you about these problems with an attempt to defraud you . It can be difficult to prove this.

Did you and the seller write up a contract ? Was the Voet-stoets clause in there?
 

skiet

Member
Best path to start is Ombudsman. I did it, and everyone started paying for everything when they got involved.
 

Demontec

Well-known member
zippy320 said:
From my knowledge,
If the private seller that you purchased the car from is not involved in any business of selling and buying cars his not considered a "Supplier" as per the CPA , then the Voetstoets clause "as is " does apply . The CPA did not abolish that clause , To my knowledge it only really apply to business .

I disagree with this statement bud, When the CPA laws were relooked at it took into consideration all consumers whether the purchase was made through a dealer/business or a private sale it is to protect the consumer

Infact, We have one of the best CPA laws in place shockingly

Have a read and know your rights gents..People are being taken for rides daily because they're not clued up,

http://www.thenct.org.za/NCTDocs/founding-legislation/f8d6f6aa-994d-4305-b3d0-ea056416bbd0.pdf
 
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