The end is near: Future M Cars...

[ANiMOSiTY]

The M car died a few years back already. The last M car was the e90/92/93 M3, what came after is not a true M car, just a glorified 335i.

Hahahahaha. Is there a place where I can come and catch your whole comedy act? The little snippets you drop here and there are priceless, the whole show must rock!

Well, the character has certainly changed with the use of turbocharging. Some of the gains are at the expensive of other things. As a purist stuck in the past, I also prefer the older NA M cars.

I guess the definition of an M car is not a constant. It evolves over time as things change. I still prefer the older recipe.

The turbo M cars are phenomenal.
Stick an M5 or M3 into Sport+ and tell me if you notice any turbo lag.
Go actually try it.

Yes, they obviously have the effect of boost threshold, but there is no perceptible lag. Nothing. Mash the throttle, stuff happens. Fast.

Of course they're not going to feel the same as their fantastic NA brothers.
But they do have character of their own, which all M cars have.

 

[Clownshoe]

So those of you that think BMW should go back to its roots

 

[Iceman12596]

The M car died a few years back already. The last M car was the e90/92/93 M3, what came after is not a true M car, just a glorified 335i.

Tsek......Nothing wrong wif a 335i...even if it glorified

Bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha but yea i hear ya bud

 

[Kimeran]

The M car died a few years back already. The last M car was the e90/92/93 M3, what came after is not a true M car, just a glorified 335i.

Just a question, have you ever driven an F8X M3/4? And have you driven it back to back with the F30 335i?
I really am not a huge fan of the drive of the F8X M3/4, but I personally wouldn't even think it was made by the same company that made the F30 335i.

 

[moranor@axis]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

 

[Woodies]

So those of you that think BMW should go back to its roots

Now that looks fun!!!!!!!!!!!! Great pic

 

[Clownshoe]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

Jay Lenno did an article on this in Octane on that very subject.

He argued that the same happened to horse when the automodile was introduced. And the point I was trying to get accross earlier. Did the horse die out? Or is the horse now a "sport item" groomed, thoughbread and well looked after rather than the beaten and abused "work horse" it was before the automobile.

I think the first to go will be the mass produced crap buckets like Chev Sparks, etc. You will see a pick up in classic car ownership. The focus will be on people who want to drive. Eliminating the A to B crowd. You will see a return to a true drivers car.

 

[cOlDFuSiOn]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

Jay Lenno did an article on this in Octane on that very subject.

He argued that the same happened to horse when the automodile was introduced. And the point I was trying to get accross earlier. Did the horse die out? Or is the horse now a "sport item" groomed, thoughbread and well looked after rather than the beaten and abused "work horse" it was before the automobile.

I think the first to go will be the mass produced crap buckets like Chev Sparks, etc. You will see a pick up in classic car ownership. The focus will be on people who want to drive. Eliminating the A to B crowd. You will see a return to a true drivers car.

I agree with this analysis! :coolShake:

 

[Rayzor]

So those of you that think BMW should go back to its roots

Nuff Said :clapper::roflol:

 

[moranor@axis]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

Jay Lenno did an article on this in Octane on that very subject.

He argued that the same happened to horse when the automodile was introduced. And the point I was trying to get accross earlier. Did the horse die out? Or is the horse now a "sport item" groomed, thoughbread and well looked after rather than the beaten and abused "work horse" it was before the automobile.

I think the first to go will be the mass produced crap buckets like Chev Sparks, etc. You will see a pick up in classic car ownership. The focus will be on people who want to drive. Eliminating the A to B crowd. You will see a return to a true drivers car.

completely agree but will these people want new cars? or will they be happier with a restored classic? those who want new cars what do they want/need out of them

these are all difficult questions that BMW is most definitely asking itself and also why we are seeing such drastic changes... car companies use an evolutionary development approach to keep costs down but with driver-less tech this turns many things on its head and it is difficult to apply evolutionary development to it while staying ahead

 

[Clownshoe]

Electric cars are currently aimed at the city commuter. Where, quite frankly, a performance car is a pain to drive.

I don't see a conflict for a long time.

The Johnny Yuppy who bought an M4 that used to rack up km crawling along in traffic will use the uber alternative. He spends quality time blasting it around mountain passes on the week-end. And thus a thoughbred becomes a true sports item. The overall cost to Johnny Yuppy is the same may not be so easy to justfy though.

 

[ANiMOSiTY]

Electric cars are currently aimed at the city commuter. Where, quite frankly, a performance car is a pain to drive.

I don't see a conflict for a long time.

The Johnny Yuppy who bought an M4 that used to rack up km crawling along in traffic will use the uber alternative. He spends quality time blasting it around mountain passes on the week-end. And thus a thoughbred becomes a true sports item. The overall cost to Johnny Yuppy is the same may not be so easy to justfy though.

I dunno man.
I daily my M. That's what they're meant for.

 

[Clownshoe]

Electric cars are currently aimed at the city commuter. Where, quite frankly, a performance car is a pain to drive.

I don't see a conflict for a long time.

The Johnny Yuppy who bought an M4 that used to rack up km crawling along in traffic will use the uber alternative. He spends quality time blasting it around mountain passes on the week-end. And thus a thoughbred becomes a true sports item. The overall cost to Johnny Yuppy is the same may not be so easy to justfy though.

I dunno man.
I daily my M. That's what they're meant for.

Driving the whole day and never going more than quarter throttle is hell on earth.

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[Fordkoppie]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

If anything, I think the high end cars will still probably sell in the same numbers (or even slightly more) as currently, because those are people who actually want to drive.

Its the entry level and volume sellers that will probably die out.
I cant wait for that day when the mindless A to B drivers are removed from the driver's seat

 

[moranor@axis]

big question... if self driving 'Uber' rental cars become cheaper and more convenient than having your own car... will there still be people who want an M car?

If there is still a large enough market for M cars what will the buyers want from it in this sort of context?

If anything, I think the high end cars will still probably sell in the same numbers (or even slightly more) as currently, because those are people who actually want to drive.

Its the entry level and volume sellers that will probably die out.
I cant wait for that day when the mindless A to B drivers are removed from the driver's seat

well lets hope for the best :rollsmile: