[split] BMWFANATICS GP: NEXT #100 TRACK DAY ATTENDANCE

[FiRi@Rennzport]

As we all know...2016 marks the new 100th Anniversary of the inception of one of the Biggest, most loved brands in the world...BMW


In an effort to Celebrate this momentus occasion, the various BMW Clubs from all over South Africa are joining together to host the #Next100 centenary celebration on August the 20th 2016.


BMWFanatics, BMW Car Club Gauteng, Car Candy Inc, SA Beemer and the BMW Bike Club  SA are all partnering to bring one massive event together at Red  Star Raceway on the Day. There will be a host of activities ranging from the chance to track your car for the day, to just paying and doing 2 hotlaps for those who want to share in the experience.

We will be forming an Image of the outline of AFRICA,  with 100 in the center on the day as well. This will be formed by the cars attending the event.  There will be park offs where the one can appreciate the various models that BMW has offered to us enthusiasts over the years. We are truly hoping to make this event massive and to bring together everyone from all over the province to join in on the fun.

Below are all the details for the day, as well pricing for those who want to use this opportunity to track their cars. 

We will begin with a list of those who want to track and those who are attending just to join in for the social calender and to enjoy the day with us.

A third list will also be made for guys attending that have white cars. The 100 will be formed in the center will be made up of white BMWs only so that the number stands out when the aerial photographs will be done. If you 100% attending with your white cab , please add your name to that list as well.

BMW Fanatics will also be trying to get together an epic display of out members cars ranging with models from the early years to the latest modern. A similiar setup which was used at BMW Day will be adopted with us parking our cars according to year and series. We hope to see you all there.

Closer to the time, we will begin mapping out routes and POSSIBLE convoys to the venue.

Here's to making the once in Lifetime celebration a memorable one of epic proportions.



Bmw Centenary Celebrations....

Date - 20 august 2016
Venue : Red Star raceway - Delmas
Scrutinising starts : 6.30am
Racing session : 8am - 11am & 1pm - 5pm
Africa Logo formation : 11am- 1pm


Track Entry Fee: R950
MSA license for the day R340
MSA  license for the year R800
2 Hotlps - R100
Spectators free

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The usage and pricing of the track day is basically being carried out by BMWCC Gauteng. BMWFanatics has no say in the fees being charged.

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[GoCart]

Sounds awesome but basically R1300 total to put your car on the track, heavy.

Indeed, perhaps only a social then, good time to bring out the black machine :cartel:

 

[J-Peter]

Will the skidpan be available for use on the day?

 

[Gizmo]

Will the skidpan be available for use on the day?

Im sure it will.

 

[waylander42]

Ya I'd be very keen to take my machine on the track, but R1300 is heavy! Not sure why an MSA licence is required for a track day either? I understand BMWCC is organising that part, but if someone could ask them why so steep that would be great. Zwartkops is about R600 for a standard track day, no licence required.

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

Morning guys. A BMWCC committee member will comment here later explaining the reasons behind the costing. Our primary focus is getting you guys there to have fun either through the tracking, being part of the epic formation of the logo or the epic display that is planned with the social. If you attending for either of those...kindly put your name down.

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[Bernard///M3]

Morning Guys.

As some of you may know I am the BMWCCG's Treasurer.

I'll be honest, I've never been to a normal Track Day at Zwartkops, so I don't exactly know what they offer, but from my understanding it is run by the owners.

We charge R950 per car for a track day time trial to Club Members only if you not a member you pay an addition R350 to automatically become a member, but for this event we are not doing that, so the entry fee is only the R950.

Saying that you need to have a MSA licence as well either an annual licence or a day licence, with the licence the competitor will have personal insurance which covers death, disablement and medical expenses, remember it doesn't cover your car though.

So you guys might think we make huge profits, we don't, BMW Car Club Gauteng NPC is a registered Non-Profit Company, and we just try to cover our costs, yes sometimes we do make some profits, but we also make losses like our last track day.

Regarding the costs to run a track day please bear in mind the following:
- Hire of track
- MSA Permits
- MSA Officials
- Public Liability
- Medical personnel (We normally have 2 crews)
- Time keepers and Hire of their equipment
- Hire of Sound equipment for announcer
- Racepics (Official photographer where you can buy prints of your car on track)
- Trophies
- Permit from local Police Commissioner for a public event
- Other odds and ends that come up

As you can see with the list above once you start adding it up it can come to quite large amount.
Please also note that we are volunteers and do not make any money personally out of these events and do it for fun, we don't get reimbursed for our time, fuel etc.

On another note we are also recognised by BMW SA and being a prestigious brand we do not take short cuts with these events because if something happens there can be major consequences.

I hope I have explained the above properly.

 

[Dewald Basson]

Morning Guys.

As some of you may know I am the BMWCCG's Treasurer.

I'll be honest, I've never been to a normal Track Day at Zwartkops, so I don't exactly know what they offer, but from my understanding it is run by the owners.

We charge R950 per car for a track day time trial to Club Members only if you not a member you pay an addition R350 to automatically become a member, but for this event we are not doing that, so the entry fee is only the R950.

Saying that you need to have a MSA licence as well either an annual licence or a day licence, with the licence the competitor will have personal insurance which covers death, disablement and medical expenses, remember it doesn't cover your car though.

So you guys might think we make huge profits, we don't, BMW Car Club Gauteng NPC is a registered Non-Profit Company, and we just try to cover our costs, yes sometimes we do make some profits, but we also make losses like our last track day.

Regarding the costs to run a track day please bear in mind the following:
- Hire of track
- MSA Permits
- MSA Officials
- Public Liability
- Medical personnel (We normally have 2 crews)
- Time keepers and Hire of their equipment
- Hire of Sound equipment for announcer
- Racepics (Official photographer where you can buy prints of your car on track)
- Trophies
- Permit from local Police Commissioner for a public event
- Other odds and ends that come up

As you can see with the list above once you start adding it up it can come to quite large amount.
Please also note that we are volunteers and do not make any money personally out of these events and do it for fun, we don't get reimbursed for our time, fuel etc.

On another note we are also recognised by BMW SA and being a prestigious brand we do not take short cuts with these events because if something happens there can be major consequences.

I hope I have explained the above properly.

Difference between your race day and a track day is the following then:

Track day - for fun. no racing, no dive bombing into corners and slower drives give way(this is more a respect thing) to faster ones.

Track day + timed laps = racing. Then, you must have categories to make it fair which is very complicated. You cannot just go on displacement - you must allow for tires,weight etc.

My car falls into the 2l and up track session - but it actually performs more like modern 2l and under car, just to give an example of how complicated it can get.


Having done a few track days now with various cars on track, and with fellow forum members. I feel this event has missed the ball completely as to I was expecting.


An open track day would have been fine and cheaper. People can have "small" duels on track at their own risk.

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

Morning Guys.

As some of you may know I am the BMWCCG's Treasurer.

I'll be honest, I've never been to a normal Track Day at Zwartkops, so I don't exactly know what they offer, but from my understanding it is run by the owners.

We charge R950 per car for a track day time trial to Club Members only if you not a member you pay an addition R350 to automatically become a member, but for this event we are not doing that, so the entry fee is only the R950.

Saying that you need to have a MSA licence as well either an annual licence or a day licence, with the licence the competitor will have personal insurance which covers death, disablement and medical expenses, remember it doesn't cover your car though.

So you guys might think we make huge profits, we don't, BMW Car Club Gauteng NPC is a registered Non-Profit Company, and we just try to cover our costs, yes sometimes we do make some profits, but we also make losses like our last track day.

Regarding the costs to run a track day please bear in mind the following:
- Hire of track
- MSA Permits
- MSA Officials
- Public Liability
- Medical personnel (We normally have 2 crews)
- Time keepers and Hire of their equipment
- Hire of Sound equipment for announcer
- Racepics (Official photographer where you can buy prints of your car on track)
- Trophies
- Permit from local Police Commissioner for a public event
- Other odds and ends that come up

As you can see with the list above once you start adding it up it can come to quite large amount.
Please also note that we are volunteers and do not make any money personally out of these events and do it for fun, we don't get reimbursed for our time, fuel etc.

On another note we are also recognised by BMW SA and being a prestigious brand we do not take short cuts with these events because if something happens there can be major consequences.

I hope I have explained the above properly.

Difference between your race day and a track day is the following then:

Track day - for fun. no racing, no dive bombing into corners and slower drives give way(this is more a respect thing) to faster ones.

Track day + timed laps = racing. Then, you must have categories to make it fair which is very complicated. You cannot just go on displacement - you must allow for tires,weight etc.

My car falls into the 2l and up track session - but it actually performs more like modern 2l and under car, just to give an example of how complicated it can get.


Having done a few track days now with various cars on track, and with fellow forum members. I feel this event has missed the ball completely as to I was expecting.


An open track day would have been fine and cheaper. People can have "small" duels on track at their own risk.

BMWCC was planning a track day for celebration from the onset. Due to BMWFanatics hosting the ODI event in July, the time and effort required to put together another track event it's just not possible.

Also one will need to keep to mind, because we havent done this type of event before, it's of upmost importance that we FIRST attend and help out where we can in the planning and executing of such an event before we try and attempt out own. T

he planning behind the scenes is something which members who are not involved in planning have no idea about.

Once again, it's a collaborative effort to Celebrate a brand...join is for the social if you don't wanna track the your car, and if you wanna just get a feel for it, then do the 2 hotlaps. Whilst the pricing may he hugher then a more laid back track day, this is way all BMWCC track days are structured. It would have been unfairness us to dictate how and why they should change it.

I hope that BMWFANATICS members will come out once again and in a show of strength and support the Brand which we love so much, be it social or otherwise.

I will definitely be there.

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[Bernard///M3]

Difference between your race day and a track day is the following then:

Track day - for fun. no racing, no dive bombing into corners and slower drives give way(this is more a respect thing) to faster ones.

Track day + timed laps = racing. Then, you must have categories to make it fair which is very complicated. You cannot just go on displacement - you must allow for tires,weight etc.

My car falls into the 2l and up track session - but it actually performs more like modern 2l and under car, just to give an example of how complicated it can get.


Having done a few track days now with various cars on track, and with fellow forum members. I feel this event has missed the ball completely as to I was expecting.


An open track day would have been fine and cheaper. People can have "small" duels on track at their own risk.

There are 3 different sessions and you would most likely go into the 3rd session, Session 1 is normally the really fast cars like the race cars etc and 3rd session is the slower cars typically a road going car.
Regarding classes we normally have about 10 classes, so your 2L will definitely not be in the same class as a fully prepped race car or a F80 M4.

Normal track day rules apply, like no overtaking in corners and slower vehicles moving over for faster vehicles, remember we there to have fun not crash our cars, that's left to the BMW CCG Race Series.

Having an open track day wont make a difference as you still have all the costs, remember just hiring a track isn't cheap.

We having a Track day on 10 July at Zwartkops, why don't you come around and see what its about.

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BMWCC was planning a track day for celebration from the onset. Due to BMWFanatics hosting the ODI event in July, the time and effort required to put together another track event it's just not possible.

Also one will need to keep to mind, because we havent done this type of event before, it's of upmost importance that we FIRST attend and help out where we can in the planning and executing of such an event before we try and attempt out own. T

he planning behind the scenes is something which members who are not involved in planning have no idea about.

Once again, it's a collaborative effort to Celebrate a brand...join is for the social if you don't wanna track the your car, and if you wanna just get a feel for it, then do the 2 hotlaps. Whilst the pricing may he hugher then a more laid back track day, this is way all BMWCC track days are structured. It would have been unfairness us to dictate how and why they should change it.

I hope that BMWFANATICS members will come out once again and in a show of strength and support the Brand which we love so much, be it social or otherwise.

I will definitely be there.

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Guys as mentioned above we having a Track Day on 10 July at Zwartkops, come and have a look and see for yourselves what its all about.

 

[Kimeran]

Firi, I don't think it is any criticism to you, rather positive criticism to BMWCC.
It's a lovely effort put in by BMWCC, but the pricing is just way out.
I completely understand what Bernard was saying about the costs involved, but it still makes it a price that most people wouldn't be prepared to pay.
Would have been nice if BMWSA put some money up towards hiring the track and the other costs.

I will gladly be there for the social gathering, and to form the picture.... If you guys want a white Merc help make the image :roflol:

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

Firi, I don't think it is any criticism to you, rather positive criticism to BMWCC.
It's a lovely effort put in by BMWCC, but the pricing is just way out.
I completely understand what Bernard was saying about the costs involved, but it still makes it a price that most people wouldn't be prepared to pay.
Would have been nice if BMWSA put some money up towards hiring the track and the other costs.

I will gladly be there for the social gathering, and to form the picture.... If you guys want a white Merc help make the image :roflol:

Lol Kimi...bring the please the 325is and leave the Merc at home....

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[Arbee]

This type of event has a set crowd, not everyone will be interested in tracking their daily. In terms of pricing, its relative to the cost of hiring out a track etc.

I have participated in another car clubs track day 4 years ago at a cost of R650 for the day, Costing double that now with the addition of MSA is relative of the increasing costs.

Track days at Zwartkops cost lower cos they dont have to hire the track, its their own event. They make the money. Here, BMWCCG is making money to cover costs.

 

[Bernard///M3]

Will the skidpan be available for use on the day?

Im sure it will.

No Currently not including the skidpan, if we have enough interest we can then hire it, unfortunately there is a extra cost to hire the skidpan.

 

[GoCart]

Honestly, I believe the Fanatics or most Fanatics rather, should see this as a opportunity for a social gathering.

Track days are not hugely supported by the Fanatics, which of course of fine, but let us not then split hairs over the cost, which I'll admit a little high.

With that said, I joined a small group of Fanatics at Redstar last weekend, and what a epic day it was, and more so "affordable".

So, if you really want to participate in track days, maybe schedule your affairs in a way where you can take part in the more affordable events.

I'm rather interested in knowing what spectators can expect, well apart from Gizmo giving it the beans out on track all by himself :=):

 

[Ga-3M]

I understand the points above, but just want to ask a couple of questions, not sure if you can answer them Bernard but if you can it'll be appreciated.

A couple of us participated in Petrol heads for pets at Redstar last week, an event which also required the track to be hired out by the organisers, and in the end a small amount which was left over once all the expenses were paid was donated to an animal charity.

We paid an average entry fee of R600-R650 amongst us, entry increased as the event drew closer. There was no MSA license required so that R340 was not needed. We had medical support on hand as well as marshals included in the R650 entry fee.

Is the MSA License required due to timing equipment being used? Or is it just as an extra insurance covering items which wouldn't have been covered at the event we attended there at Redstar above? From the BMW Car Club's perspective, wouldn't it attract more people to the track if the day was held in a similar fashion to other track days where it's more focussed on fun rather than times? Leave the timing for the race series?

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Just to clarify, not bashing the event's entrance cost again, just offering my opinion.

 

[hoosain]

I understand the points above, but just want to ask a couple of questions, not sure if you can answer them Bernard but if you can it'll be appreciated.

A couple of us participated in Petrol heads for pets at Redstar last week, an event which also required the track to be hired out by the organisers, and in the end a small amount which was left over once all the expenses were paid was donated to an animal charity.

We paid an average entry fee of R600-R650 amongst us, entry increased as the event drew closer. There was no MSA license required so that R340 was not needed. We had medical support on hand as well as marshals included in the R650 entry fee.

Is the MSA License required due to timing equipment being used? Or is it just as an extra insurance covering items which wouldn't have been covered at the event we attended there at Redstar above? From the BMW Car Club's perspective, wouldn't it attract more people to the track if the day was held in a similar fashion to other track days where it's more focussed on fun rather than times? Leave the timing for the race series?

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Just to clarify, not bashing the event's entrance cost again, just offering my opinion.

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IMHO i think MSA is only out there to money for themselves
i never participate in any event where an MSA license is required

 

[Hot_Bobby's]

Firi, I don't think it is any criticism to you, rather positive criticism to BMWCC.
It's a lovely effort put in by BMWCC, but the pricing is just way out.
I completely understand what Bernard was saying about the costs involved, but it still makes it a price that most people wouldn't be prepared to pay.
Would have been nice if BMWSA put some money up towards hiring the track and the other costs.

:+1:

Red Star Raceway is P**S far, for me its a 200+km round trip and then to pay 1k to get on the track?????? :nonono:

Okay Bye

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

Firi, I don't think it is any criticism to you, rather positive criticism to BMWCC.
It's a lovely effort put in by BMWCC, but the pricing is just way out.
I completely understand what Bernard was saying about the costs involved, but it still makes it a price that most people wouldn't be prepared to pay.
Would have been nice if BMWSA put some money up towards hiring the track and the other costs.

:+1:

Red Star Raceway is P**S far, for me its a 200+km round trip and then to pay 1k to get on the track?????? :nonono:

Okay Bye

So join for the social...

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[RAArmstrong]

I'm so keen for this Firi! Its gonna be epic!

Guys if its too expensive to track your car then don't. There will be those that can afford it and will. But dont let that put you off. Come and socialize with the guys! It's gonna be a really really epic day with some epic company and you'll have a change to be a part of something really cool!