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Regarding Anal Ignorant People & the S54
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M3_FTW said:
And people still want to discredit Xcede !
I rest my case !
STREETRACER
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328ii said:
Bud with a TNT branch and freeflow we gained 14wkw!!!
But there is allot of other cheap mods to make a 328i run past M3's without opening the engine!
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Bud with our 328i we smacked an M3 bad any one in witbank can vouch for that becoz It happens sunday after sunday at the local dices! I data logged the car running a 6.6sec 0-100 14.9s 1/4 mile on shitty test road on a Racelogic Vbox 10hz GPS logger! its 100% acurate.. I run a 13.9 with my car on that road and a 13.6 on the track! only quiet 400m stretch close to where i stay!
The car will definitely run around a 14.7s on a prep track up here at the reef..
The car makes 144kw 249nm.. TNT full zorst , Dastek Chip, M50 Manifold, BMC replacement filter in stock air box and a 3.46 diff! only other mod is 2 bucket seats! rest of the car is bone stock!
The tappet cover of the car has never been taken off never the less a set of cams or head work!
We dont need cams as the stock cams makes the power in the perfect range im consentrating on!
After some head work the car will see 160kw+
The car will definitely run around a 14.7s on a prep track up here at the reef..
The car makes 144kw 249nm.. TNT full zorst , Dastek Chip, M50 Manifold, BMC replacement filter in stock air box and a 3.46 diff! only other mod is 2 bucket seats! rest of the car is bone stock!
The tappet cover of the car has never been taken off never the less a set of cams or head work!
We dont need cams as the stock cams makes the power in the perfect range im consentrating on!
After some head work the car will see 160kw+
Sherwin@Xcede said:
Good call Sherwin. Glad we can all move on now. :thumbsup:
In terms of your question...damn i wish i had the V8 M3....so i can take part in the discussion...the guys at Zeemax are also doing some good work on the ///M exhaust, perhaps they can chime in...:thumbsup:
Impressive,but it weighs the same as an M3, has less power not as high a redline and runs a 14.9 and is quicker than an M3. Something does not compute.A well driven stock E36 M3 runs 14.3 to 14.5 @ Tarlton.STREETRACER said:
Close though
He was referring to the E46,they have cats in the branches not the E92 (as farTwinz@Rennzport said:
as I am aware)
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no bud.. stock 3.0L E36 M3's makes around 132kw on our dyno and bone stock 3.2 M3's makes 145kw.. up here the stock (really stock) 3.2's run 15.0 1/4 mile..
Doesnt matter what you rev as long as you fully use your powerband! Some bone stock E46 M3's struggle to get under a 14.6..
you welcome to come see the car any day! and also welcome to send Any Stock M3 around for a race!
Thats why we build it for the fun of the sport!
Here's the cars dyno graph so you can analise it.. also you will be amazed what a perfect power range to diff ratio can accomplish with minimum power! Diff = poor mans supercharger..
Doesnt matter what you rev as long as you fully use your powerband! Some bone stock E46 M3's struggle to get under a 14.6..
you welcome to come see the car any day! and also welcome to send Any Stock M3 around for a race!
Thats why we build it for the fun of the sport!
Here's the cars dyno graph so you can analise it.. also you will be amazed what a perfect power range to diff ratio can accomplish with minimum power! Diff = poor mans supercharger..
STREETRACER said:no bud.. stock 3.0L E36 M3's makes around 132kw on our dyno and bone stock 3.2 M3's makes 145kw.. up here the stock (really stock) 3.2's run 15.0 1/4 mile..
Doesnt matter what you rev as long as you fully use your powerband! Some bone stock E46 M3's struggle to get under a 14.6..
you welcome to come see the car any day! and also welcome to send Any Stock M3 around for a race!
Thats why we build it for the fun of the sport!
Here's the cars dyno graph so you can analise it.. also you will be amazed what a perfect power range to diff ratio can accomplish with minimum power! Diff = poor mans supercharger..
Bro i have been around M3's since the E36 was released. I know full well what they are and arent capable of.
That dyno must be a stingy one because here in JHB i have seen mide 150's to 160's for E36 M3's.
I dont know why you keep referring to "up here" i am in JHB so i know what they are running. 15.0 for a stock E36 M3 3.2 is damn slow, was the driver granny shifting ? I have personally seen them run low 14's at Tarlton, Wesbank you name it. And i know they were stock. 14.6 for a E46 M3 is also really really suspect. I ran a 13.8 @ 162 STOCK at Tarlton in my E46 M3. Sherwin as well as about another 100 people were there that night, so 14.6 the thing must have been sick.
Oh regarding your diff argument, are you trying to say the M engineers put the wrong ratio in the M3 not to take advantage of the power curve ?
That 328i starts falling flat on its face at 6000 rpm, but 6500 its all over. The M still has plenty of rpm left before redline.
This comment also amuses me "amazed what a perfect power range to diff ratio can accomplish with minimum power"
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bud the Xcede E46 runs a 13.8 with software and decat! not stock!Not an argument but a fact yes bud the M engineers definitey put the wrong ratio in all the M3's if you what to drag! they are far from built to drag, they are built and geared for track and top end!
bud my comment is fact bud! we ran a 13.9 with 117kw in a golf MK1 with the perfect gear ratio for the power band!
I sound cocky now but you will not teach me anything when it comes to M3's! ive seen it all, done it all.. and geting faster by the day!
bud my comment is fact bud! we ran a 13.9 with 117kw in a golf MK1 with the perfect gear ratio for the power band!
I sound cocky now but you will not teach me anything when it comes to M3's! ive seen it all, done it all.. and geting faster by the day!
STREETRACER said:
OMG dude, IT IS MY CAR. I ran the 13.8 @ Tarlton like 3 years ago. The car was still under motorplan. Was 100% stock. You can ask Xcede/Sherwin, he was there that night.Xcede wasnt even around at the time.
The M engineers made a compromise, yes but it wasnt all about top end as you would like to believe. Why bring a Golf into this ? Totally different cars, weight, engines etc. I know what a diff can do. Slap a 4.10 ratio diff into an E46 M3 and its another ball game altogether.
I just dont believe your claims about a 328i (with the still crappy M50) intake manifold outrunning E36 M3's. How do you know that one you ran and beat wasnt a bit sick. We all know they suffer from Vanos issues. So maybe its vanos was acting up.
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ok lets talk BMW then! Locos M3csl makes 201kw on RGM dyno, I made 179kw on the same dyno with my E36 M3.. hes car weighs less than mine! he runs a 13.69 at ODI and i run 13.6 flat.. you tell me why???
I was on every day street tyres Kenda's to be exact!
I was on every day street tyres Kenda's to be exact!
STREETRACER said:
One simple word. SMG, my M3 is SMG and it is very limiting on how you can launch. If traction was good Loco could only have gone to 3800 rpm to launch (SMG Limit) this would have effected his times. Vice versa, if traction was crap he would have lit the tires as once again if you hold the throttle down you sitting at 3800 rpm.
You can modulate the throttle/rpm but then you look like a tit waiting on the line once the lights have gone.
I am not arguing with around the issue of diff ratios. I know shorter ratios work better for drag racing. However there is also a break even point. Tell me, can you take a chipped Polo 1.9TDI that redlines @ 5000 rpm, slap in an optimised diff and beat your 328i ? Even a Polo GTI...
Pravesh
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Sherwin@Xcede said:I hear some absolute hogwash about our gains & so on from uninformed halfwits.
OK so forget the dyno's, forget all the bull. Here's video's of 2 M3's running 5 days apart on the same track. Ary ran on Sunday during the day, the other M3 ran Friday night in less than 10 deg ambients.
Bear in mind the exit speeds go up 3-5km/h at night for an M3. Traps much higher at night.
Both cars have decatt, only difference is software. The SMG in the video had 3 runs all trapping exactly the same at 158km/h. Which is in line with a stock E46 trapping around 155km/h up here during the day.
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Our car trapped 166km/h, during the day. Can't hide from the traps.
So now, what's the story? Rigged or what? I'm hearing bullsh1t stories about the gains not being real or whatever, when we have the owner of the car here. I hear you can reset some values with BMW tools and the car can gain 24hp but it loses it over time. What carp is that? No-one reset anything. The cars were tuned and run the times everywhere.
Next point. Yanks can't gain those gains. So no-one can. Who gives a flying fvck what te Yanks gain? We gaining more than them. Even on the C63's me & Mo have been working on recently, the gains are more than the Yanks. Our V10's run faster than yanks. Our manual E9x M3's run the same times as the fastest manual M3's. If they can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
But here is the real killer. Yanks have a different spec M3 to us. Due to the strict emission laws in California, they have to have primary catts integrated into the branches. Huge restriction in the most important part of the exhaust.
US Spec branch:
Euro spec branch:
So what do the Yanks do? They sell the Euro spec branch as an aftermarket mod. So the branch we get as standard on our cars, they sell in the US as a mod. Evosport, for example:
And they getting like 30whp on the wheels fitting our headers on their cars!
So now, can anyone tell me why the Yanks can't gain what we are getting? Can one tune a car with 2 ovens in the branches? Those catts are retaining heat causing ignition retard. And they are restrictive.
European spec cars don't have catts in the branches and hence have a much free-er flowing, cooler running system & the tuning we do is not hindered by their setbacks.
So the moral of the story, is don't go comparing what gains we get to the Yanks as they have a different goddam car to us.
We are gaining on the dyno & the road. And that is the truth. We shall continue to prove it.
Well said Sherwin also not forgetting their cars run on lower octane than what we have.:thinker:
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now you edit your top post.. put new post under mine and let other readers read in sequence! Now you agree with me saying the shorter diff makes it another ball game! the 328i has a shorter diff stock 3.15 now 3.46..
My claim was beating a 3.0L M3 and yes it was by almost 2 cars! the car is fine i know the car i now all the cars at the local dices most of us has been there for more than 10 years!
and i can promise you i will chow any stock 3.0L M3 with that car!
And i take it as a compliment that you think my claims of the car is false!
dude i never talked about your car never seen you or your car! I said an Xcede client with an E46 M3 with software and decat ran a 13.8 last sunday on tarlton!
So also you telling me i did all posible hardware mods on my M3.. much shorter diff 3.91 gained 42kw from stock to run 1s faster on the 1/4mile?
My claim was beating a 3.0L M3 and yes it was by almost 2 cars! the car is fine i know the car i now all the cars at the local dices most of us has been there for more than 10 years!
and i can promise you i will chow any stock 3.0L M3 with that car!
And i take it as a compliment that you think my claims of the car is false!
dude i never talked about your car never seen you or your car! I said an Xcede client with an E46 M3 with software and decat ran a 13.8 last sunday on tarlton!
So also you telling me i did all posible hardware mods on my M3.. much shorter diff 3.91 gained 42kw from stock to run 1s faster on the 1/4mile?
Pravesh said:
Not true. We work off of RON, they work off of MON. They even have 98/100 octane at some pumps. Google it
STREETRACER said:
Answer my question above, about the Polo etc.
I have never argued the diff didnt help with acceleration.
I dont feel like arguing with you any more, but its a BIG claim to say you beat all E36 M3's with your 328i based on one M3 you have raced.
Then i can say my E46 beats all E92 M3's (i raced one and beat him, probably didnt know how to drive), you see where i am going with this ?
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M3_FTW said:
No bud shorter ratios on turbo cars will make them pull less load and make them boost less in the first gears! making you loosing time! also shoter diff will make them loose more traction.. where are you going with this?
Bud get A bone stock E36 M3 3.0L M3 and a 3.2 to the DASTEK dyno day on the 31st of july and ill bring my brother car! then you can do the math on the same dyno! I think the differences in tracks and different dyno's are causing our misunderstanding! Im comparing cars on our dyno and our local tracks and some ODI and Nitro runs! you talking tarlton never raced or see M3's run there! Raced there with my golf like 6 years ago!
If im wrong im sorry but ill wait to be proven wrong!
