Rave: OB, the road to chipping my 335i

[Scouse]

OK, so before i start, i by no means favour any tuner or SW provider any more than the other
The people I have dealt with are all awesome and know their story like the backs of their hands

So I will try and keep this as short and sweet as possible

Firstly, sherwin from Xcede was gonna chip my 335.
I met up with him twice for lunch , first time to read the base map so he can go and write the map
Second time was to load the map and then see how it feels

Unfortunately and to the surprize of us both, the OBD had a security lock protection on it from BMW :shocked:
Anyways, Sherwin said he is sure he would get around it somehow but I just didnt have the time etc to go through all the hassles and wasting Sherwins time etc as my car was already pushing good figures

Then i forgot all about it etc until my mate called me and said his friend wanted to use my 335i as a promo and do a map load on it, he is working in conjunction with DNA tuning in the UK (http://www.dnatuning.com) and wanted a 335i to use to show the gains etc etc and then they have a client in SA that can then report back on it
However, 2 days before i went to have the flash done, my car went into BMW for a service and they updated my ECU

This is where it gets scary

When paul was trying to load my map we were then confronted with a LEVEL 6 security lock on my OBD :thinking::banghead:

So that was that out of the window

Then that brings me to another 'master' of the tuning world (yoda comes to mind LOL), OB from Chiplogic
Now as some of you may know, he does the SW for George Smooths 335 which ran a 12.5 quarter mile

On Saterday we had a twin turbo get together at Chiplogic that was arranged by George Smooth with OB

All the guys done a dyno and we all had a good chat

Then sunday morning my phone rings and its the one and only Yoda erm i mean OB :spit:
tells me to come through to the shop quickly as he wants to crack the level 6 security lock on my car and run a map

Well, behold he done it, it took some time and effort but he certainly done it and we mapped the car

17 dyno runs later we were happy with what we got :clap:

Pity I had to leave SA and never really got to test it fully and put a good few km's onto it to make sure it was fully adapted

But from the few runs i did have I was very impressed, very smooth and can feel a good gain

So to conclude, this doesnt mean my car will still have SW on it when i get back to SA as this was a training excercise with regards to breaking the securty lock and me using mine as the guinea pig, besides, maps like this cost money

So I will be going back to OB when Im home and the car will probably be flashed back to stock until the day comes that I permanently decide on a SW that im 100% happy with, and so far OB is one of them

have to also give a thumbs up to Sherwin who always keeps in touch with me aswell to let me know his progress with other 335i's that were in my situation

I have attached the dyno sheet for your perusal

Nice work OB and your commitment to getting this sorted is extraordinary (7 hours of his own time on a Sunday) :thumbsup::clap:

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Well done there buddy, awesome gains & great looking curve. Enjoy the POWA! Glad you got such great service.

 

[Scouse]

Thanks Sherwin

 

[Twinz]

Its about time Scouse that you gave that stocker some wings...looks pretty good...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Have you decided on a DCI or flat filter yet...i still have your previous set but you not getting it back:wave:

 

[Scouse]

Its about time Scouse that you gave that stocker some wings...looks pretty good...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Have you decided on a DCI or flat filter yet...i still have your previous set but you not getting it back:wave:

Thanks bud :thumbsup:

Probably the DCI mate, i like the aFe and the injen, and of course the BMS

How did you end up with my previous set? :shocked:

 

[Twinz]

I think it came via Revo?

All the best with the plans:thumbsup:

 

[Scouse]

I think it came via Revo?

All the best with the plans:thumbsup:

Oh ok cos i sold mine to Biofreak for the 135i

Small world this I tell you :thumbsup:

 

[50/50]

Well done Yoda:clap:

 

[20VT]

Well done on getting the car tuned

For the benefit of the forum please explain these levels of security you are referring to ?

 

[Kaaba]

Awesomeness:clap:

 

[Scouse]

Well done on getting the car tuned

For the benefit of the forum please explain these levels of security you are referring to ?

Im gonna have to let one of the boffs reply to that one

 

[Rocket]

would be nice to see back to back graphs comparing JB3, Procede, standback and Chiplogic together to give a true indication of what the different products offer for their required money and what the gains are, aswell as the features included like code checking/clearing etc.

IMHO- Procede on paper it seems that is far better and more advanced than any of the others. More money, but certainly getting what you pay for - on paper though...

Anyone have a Standback locally? or Procede to put up numbers?

 

[George Smooth]

would be nice to see back to back graphs comparing JB3, Procede, standback and Chiplogic together to give a true indication of what the different products offer for their required money and what the gains are, aswell as the features included like code checking/clearing etc.

IMHO- Procede on paper it seems that is far better and more advanced than any of the others. More money, but certainly getting what you pay for - on paper though...

Anyone have a Standback locally? or Procede to put up numbers?

The Procede are scarce locally. I mate of mine has one in his 335 and can say it is the only X35 that has managed to keep up with me. It is quite expensive and does need a bit of fine tuning for what works best at altitude. At top speed I managed to start pulling him convincingly as I feel that it runs to high a boost.
The Standback will also not really be affordable as you need to spend quite a bit of dyno time to get the tune 100%.
We tried getting a day together with all the tunes which at the time included JB3, Unichip, FRC and Chiplogic and only a FRC car pitched.

 

[Twinz]

would be nice to see back to back graphs comparing JB3, Procede, standback and Chiplogic together to give a true indication of what the different products offer for their required money and what the gains are, aswell as the features included like code checking/clearing etc.

I am not responding to your question directly but thought it a useful hook to share a couple of thoughts. Excuse the long reply but ignore it if not helpful:

There are enough information out there (by vendors on this forum) or that you can google if you want comparative data on the tunes or if you just want to know what basic features each tune possesses.

One will not be able to make a purchase decision based on dyno graphs or power outputs alone. Most tunes can be tweaked to push 18psi on a 335 on stock turbos, if you so wish.

1. For me the most important consideration must be driveability or HOW you want the power to be delivered to the road and of course some novelty features like changing maps on the fly or datalog your run would be nice too but not a prerequisite. Some tunes are packed with features and could overwhelm the novice completely. The JB3 for example have Meth & N20 intergration but i have never used them...i prefer to use a progressive controler with this part of my tune.

2. The adaptability of the tune to various conditions are becoming a driver preference lately. For example if you want to go drag racing then you want the tune to be able to switch or adapt to an agressive race map as per the supporting modifications on your car. At the same time you will not use the same race map for circuit racing on a track...you will probably consider a low boost map to suit running out of corners etc...If the tune can assist with traction control in first gear then it becomes even more desirable for dragsters:thumbsup: If the tune disables the speed delimiter then its great for those who are in to top end runs, but how often do we really do this...And how many drivers really push their cars on public roads above 200km/ph...:mmm:......?

3. Some owners want trouble free tunes. I am sure most tunes that you mentioned in your post are trouble free and would not throw error codes and spoil your enjoyment with the car. But the thing is, you are likely to experience an error poping up sometime while owning the car and if your car is fully modded it happens occasionally but nothing that the enthusiast would not be able to manage. It may be tune related or aggravated by a tune or not at all; it may well be caused by some other modification on the car. It is important that the tune is supported by the right modifications in order to extract the best from the tune and the car especially if one chooses higher boost settings. You cannot run 15psi boost on a tune only car and blame the tune if the car does not perform in a race...(George made a good example in his post about the Procede driver):thinker:

4. Customer support is becoming the number one preference for enthusiast in choosing a tune and this is a difficult expectation to meet for any tuner since the automotive world became globalised. My advice will always be if you live in an area where you can get a great tune for your car + the aftercare support of the tuner why would you want to go anywhere else? If you really desire a tune from elsewhere & the tuner is not in your area then find someone to take care of your car if something were to go wrong or if you just want help/advice (even if it is not his tune). My local tuner have & sells his own software tune and have learnt how my JB3 tune works (due to my 100% input:thumbsupand can advice accordingly without feeling that he is competing with another tuners tune.

5. I have tested quite a few tunes on my 335 from Procede/JB3/Spider/Chiplogic/Active Autowerke and it would be unfair and foolish of me to discredit any of these tunes. They are just different! :wave:

For example the active autowerke's best race map delivers almost all its punch from the moment you hit the throtlle...there is nothing smooth about the tune everything is very urgent and runs out of steam rather quickly as well...i can see this tune doing well in a robot-robot dash.imp:

So i am sure all tunes have their pros & cons in the light of the comments i made above.

Lastly, the outcome of a race will be determined by many factors ranging from the tune/mods on the car/tyres/car weight/road surface and of course driver skill...some you win, some you lose and make sure you celebrate the win because the guy who lost will come back stronger especially if it is a 335/135 owner.

 

[Rocket]

Thanks Twinz -- keep in mind graphs in the US are nowhere near the graphs in S.A -- my post was intended to get a comparitive graph on the tunes IN S.A --- not public forums or international tests.

I have a Procede on order and will be playing around with this and let you all have the necessary data including graphs and glitches, pro's and con's -- would be good to see comparisons with the others though. I guess time will tell.

 

[George Smooth]

Thanks Twinz -- keep in mind graphs in the US are nowhere near the graphs in S.A -- my post was intended to get a comparitive graph on the tunes IN S.A --- not public forums or international tests.

I have a Procede on order and will be playing around with this and let you all have the necessary data including graphs and glitches, pro's and con's -- would be good to see comparisons with the others though. I guess time will tell.

What other mods do you have planned?

 

[Rocket]

George -will be changing turbocharger components and the usual add on parts like cooler etc. The hardware is the easy part, the tuning was the challenge up until i found the products available now.

 

[Rocket]

Hi all, some pics of the parts recieved for my upgrades so far.

Pics of the Vishnu Procede V4 Canbus Rev#28 and the Billet comp wheels i am planning on using in the turbos.

Downpipes and exhaust aswell as Intercooler i will build myself using 304 stainless and original Garrett intercooler core.

Want to use the Turbosmart plumb Back diverter valves and will convert the piping to aluminium with silicon connector hoses in due course.

Oil cooler will also be done, as this is a KEY product to maintain reliable turbocharger life. I want oil temps no higher than 100deg Celcius under hard working conditions.

Have a possible upgrade to the fuel pump and injector nozzles - hopefully will sort out fueling up to a max of around 625HP capable.

Anyways thats some food for thought - enjoy

 

[George Smooth]

Hi rocket why don't you start a thread about your build with some pics of the car and all the above.

 

[Rocket]

Sure thing ill do that , wanna get installed and tuning will video the process and demo the procede autotune feature on my dyno for you to see. Car at bmw for another high pressure pump. Install to happen tomorrow hopefully.