Procede V5 in JHB (N55)

[Stealth135i]

Okay guys well ive had my procede for 6 months with problems,

First it took for ever to ship out and once it arrived it had short harness so i had to wait for a new one.

Once i got it install was okay no major problems, turned car on and no errors and can change between maps but i felt no difference in terms of power:thumbdo:

I did some logs and im only getting stock boost, technical support from Vishnu Tuning has been terrible.

They now sent me a new harness and procede unit that is fully unlocked and they tested. When i installed it today new harness and procede unit the car does not want to start it just keeps having hard starts and multiple errors. try old harness and it still wont start.

So went stock and car starts and then tried old harness and unit and no errors. Now to find why im not making any power?

Anyone have suggestions? Im sure i should be able to feel a difference?.

Im going to go down to chiplogic and try do some dyno pulls with the map on and see if its doing anything.

Any procede users have comments?

 

[Pravesh]

I think Sherwin from Xcede Performance has some experience with the Procede box.

 

[laloosh]

Ditch the procede and get a Jb4. I've got mine on for awhile now with no issues not even a CEL. Plus Terry's backup is unbelievable instant answers no matter how rediculous the question. I no of a few procede users here in dbn that are having endless problems with misfires limp mode etc and all of them complain about Vishnu's backup support. Just my 2c

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Dude, are you at altitude? The Procede doesn't work out the box & you have to set it up & turn autotuning off. Contact me & I'll help you set it up.

 

[Stealth135i]

Dude, are you at altitude? The Procede doesn't work out the box & you have to set it up & turn autotuning off. Contact me & I'll help you set it up.

I am at altitude thats right...


But i jst heard from Procede and they said my current unit is locked to another VIN number thats why it hasnt been tuning so they have to get me a software update tomorrow to clear the old vin number and then we can see if that makes a difference.

 

[Twinz]

Hope this works out for you. You must be excited to have your baby run with all that extra power. Take sherwin's advice and pop in at xcede for some assistance:thumbs:

 

[Baracus]

Dude, are you at altitude? The Procede doesn't work out the box & you have to set it up & turn autotuning off. Contact me & I'll help you set it up.

I am at altitude thats right...


But i jst heard from Procede and they said my current unit is locked to another VIN number thats why it hasnt been tuning so they have to get me a software update tomorrow to clear the old vin number and then we can see if that makes a difference.

Looks like you having a nightmare with the VIN number :shocked: , however once thats sorted you'll definitely feel a major difference :thumbs:. Just remember as Sherwin has said to disable auto-tuning (it just doesn't like our altitude too much), you'll then have to do a couple of logs and dial in the optimal settings for the latest maps. Sherwin or George will probably have the most recent settings? Unfortunately I've had to uninstall my Procede, car's been in at BM for the last 2 weeks for a faulty oil cooler! Waiting for parts from Germany :argh:

 

[@ri]

Yoh you still haven't got it working! I remember it was ages ago you ordered the wrong LHD one!

Damn, keen to see the before/after dynos once you get it up and running! :thumbs:

 

[Stealth135i]

Yeah the new harness they sent is faulty but the old hrness and unit work with no problems it just seems to hold back on the power as the unit is locked to another vehicles VIN.


Why would autotune not work at this altitude? I thought V5 units have no problems?

 

[Twinz]

Its not only the V5 that have issues at altitude, the Jb4 as well, but it can be overcome with a few slight tweaks to your dedicated map settings...I still say, pop in at Sherwin for a check:thumbs:

 

[Stealth135i]

Okay i'll pop into sherwin as soon as i have some time... i'll so long try the unit out and see if its working...

I know someone who has the JB4 with autotuning and he says he's having no problems?

But got nothing to lose so i'll go get it checked and maybe they'll convince me to get some other mods aswell haha

 

[Twinz]

Good idea. The simple theory is: autotune detects/reads fuel octane and power mods and considers other variables on the vehicle and tunes the vehicle automatically accordingly to give max performance. But "max" may not necessarily be the maximum because autotuning on the JB4 is still new and very conservatively set. For example if you are going to drag the car on the track for best times then autotuning is not the map of choice because its "max" performance is not necessarily the total power/Tq available. For daily driving, yes it will be fine. For track or race purposes choose a map that is appropriate for the mods on your car and the purpose of the run.

Finaly, if you do get autotuning sorted you may still be disapointed with the "lack" of power and you may expect more for what you think your car is capable of or you may find that a lower or higher map performs better than the autotune...experiment with this untill you find the best for you. Always remember that autotuning is also just another "map".

 

[Baracus]

Good idea. The simple theory is: autotune detects/reads fuel octane and power mods and considers other variables on the vehicle and tunes the vehicle automatically accordingly to give max performance. But "max" may not necessarily be the maximum because autotuning on the JB4 is still new and very conservatively set. For example if you are going to drag the car on the track for best times then autotuning is not the map of choice because its "max" performance is not necessarily the total power/Tq available. For daily driving, yes it will be fine. For track or race purposes choose a map that is appropriate for the mods on your car and the purpose of the run.

Finaly, if you do get autotuning sorted you may still be disapointed with the "lack" of power and you may expect more for what you think your car is capable of or you may find that a lower or higher map performs better than the autotune...experiment with this untill you find the best for you. Always remember that autotuning is also just another "map".

+1
I've been running the standard V5 Procede maps for about 6 months now without autotuning, and have had no limps on the day-to-day settings. The car pulls damn strong on pump fuel, but power can be addictive hey ! The only limps I've had were when I forgot to change back to the lower map when I ran out of octane booster or trying to get a bit extra racing on normal fuel, not a good idea! The beauty of the Procede is that you can really turn up the boost when running on higher octane levels (wait until I get water meths). It seems autotuning does not like our crappy 95 pump fuel though, and when combined with JHB's alltitude it becomes ultra conservative and pulls boost down to almost stock levels?? What I have however noticed is that its a different story when running racing fuel, autotuning then seems to maintain the boost much better, I'm sure its algorithms want to maintain a baseline similar to using US quality fuel. Another interesting observation has been while my oil cooler/ oil thermostat has been playing up, I've noticed the Procede, even without autotuning enabled, will still pull the boost right down when the oil temp reaches higher than 130-135, think its a built in safety measure?

Furthermore I'm still not using the new Dynamic Ignition Correction maps as I had problems with the early beta versions, but apparently these are no longer beta and the issues have all been sorted. Cant wait to load and test, BM now need to get their farking asses in gear as it been almost 2 weeks waiting for parts from Germany :argh:

 

[Twinz]

Nice feedback Baracus. :thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Stealth135i]

First experiences since i got the new firmware from procede and i have so far experienced zero problems. Off the bat the car is much much stronger with this new software. Boost is almost doubled and still pulling strong on MAP 1 with autotuning.

As car was learning on first few fulls the boost was quite unpredicatable dropping and rising bt now it is smooth and feels like the car is going to take off from under me!:thumbs:

So far i like it... will do some logs and on tuesday im going to hopefully get a dyno done with a N54 running the newest JB4 and software on autotune. so we can see whats going on.

 

[Twinz]

Glad its sorted...now don't get your hopes up, the Jb4 is a cracker of a tune and so is the N54 :thumbs:

 

[Stealth135i]

Okay been driving the car for a while now only problem is some times when going WOT as the revs build i get a cut in power and then the power comes back and boosts? IS this just the autotuning? Or do i need to change something?

 

[Twinz]

Do a code read and see what you get.

Question: How does the car perform on the other maps? Preferably the lower boost maps. If those maps perform fine under WOT then you may have to run a full diagnostic to ascertain what causes the limp on autotuning. Could be fuel related.

 

[Insane 135i]

you should go to sherwin from xcede. He tuned my vishnu and im making power.















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[Stealth135i]

No codes are thrown, only 2 maps for the n55.... anyone able to read logs?...

It stutters on full accleration on both maps, its a very loud ticking?.... Any one with n55 procede care to send me their user adjustable settings that they are using on their procede so i can see if it stops this problem, at least until i hear from PRocede and see what they say.

The ticking is loud and power starts to cut but resumes.......

I put some octane booster in when i installed the procede could it maybe not be doing well with the tune?. I dont know how the tune operates without the octane booster as i never tried without it.

I will attach the log i took if anyone wants to view it.

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http://www.mediafire.com/?6d2l9hcc75bw91y

here are the logs