Problems just dont stop.

Radyn

///Member
So this is how my problems start
I have a Bmw 320d 2003 facelift model. The turbo strated to give me problems.
I am in need of my car to get to work and back. I phoned around for a few places and decided on a place in the Strand. They promised me to repair the turbo the same day. I decided to use them because it would have been the fastes and I needed my car. I deliver the turbo to workshop at 09:30. The feed back I got from them later was that the whole inner of the turbo have to be redone and replace and will cost me R3950.00. The fact that I need my car I told them to repair it for me. On the same day the around 12:46 I got a message that the turbo is fix and tested and ready for collection. I am not technical and accept that they could repair it in such a matter of time. They deliver the turbo to me the same day with 6 month warrenty.
After the turbo was fitted and the car started up after a few minutes of idle the was a strange sound coming from the turbo. The mechanic found the turbo to be faulty. I phone the guy who recon it and he told me to take the turbo out of the car and send it back to him.
I send the turbo and this time I hade to wait 4 days to get the turbo back. When I got it back they were busy fitting the recondition turbo they discover there is a bit of play on the turbo shaft. I phoned Guy and he said its fine like that and that turbo was tested. The turbo was installed and later the day the car started. The turbo did not made any more sound but what I did notice is that the car was smoking a lot and when driving the was no boost or any power.
I booked the car in at RMI approved workshop where I always service my car to do diagnostics test and see if they could find the fault. The car was standing for 2 days cause I could only get appointment 2 days later. When I want to take the car to service center the car started to make the same sound as before from the turbo. Their diagnoses according to the fault codes was that the turbo was faulty.
Again I phoned they Guy who recon the turbo and he agreed that I will pay the labour to remove the turbo and he will supply me with a exchange turbo.
The Exchange turbo was back and the service center phoned me and said the turbo was installed and the car was service but they took the car for a test drive and not even 1 kilometer from the workshop the sound came back same as the first 2 turbos.
The service center Manager phone the recon place and explain to him the problem.So they send a mail with list of checks that could cause problems. The sevice center went through the whole list and confirm that the have already did everything and check but he will just double check it again. He could not found any problems.
The Recon place began ignoring my questions and phone calls. He told me there is nothing more he could do and there is no warrenty on the turbo any more and he will not pay labour to remove turbo again. He told me to bring the car to his workshop cause he is not going to pay labour to remove the turbo again. He is not trust worthy and is not RMI approved.The reconditions place defence is that there is something went through the turbo and that cause damage to the turbo. The service center told me that the recon place is taking chance because this could not happened to all 3 turbos they would have picked it up and blades is not broken.
I will not take my car to him because he is not trustworthy or professional. I have a lot of extra expensis and spent a lot of money on this matter and can’t afford to spend a cent more.
I reported the case to RMI but the revered me toe Consumers Protector with whom I have oppend a case.
This could take from 1week to 6 months before I could get answers.
I have all ready spend R11000.00 on the car
Should I cut my losses and try and sell car as is or what should I do.
What could I get for E36 Bmw 320d 2003 model facelift with turbo problems
Thanks for reading my long post let me know what you are thinking
 

Kish2604

Administrator
Staff member
here is my take on this having owned a 320D and 330D both in e46...

1. the failure of the first turbo could be related to normal wear and tear on the journal bearings,
2. the turbo ingesting a large particle and causing damage the compressor impellor,
3. the turbo ingesting many small particles due to operation over dusty roads or a defective or poorly serviced air intake filter or piping,
4. the exhaust impellor could have endured excessive wear due to a rich fuel mix
5. (the most probable cause) the crankcase breather is clogged shut from not being serviced and as a result results in low or poor oil flow to the turbo. this innocuous breather has given the 320D a bad name in recent years
6. the engine oil has been running in there for too long and has begun to sludge causing the poor oil flow.

the process going forward would be to get the defective turbo out and check the oil lines for obstructions and particles, even liberal use of silicone at a joint can cause oil flow problems elsewhere. pull the crankcase breather and replace with Vortex type if your car still has the loo roll design, if you have the vortex type then spray it down with some carb cleaner and let it soak. pull the intercooler and check for oil having collected in there.

finally and most importantly, put some fresh oil and a new filter in before starting it up.

keep us in the loop...

ps. you speak about the turbo specialist having rebuilt and tested the turbo, I know with a lot of certainty that there isn't a test bench in SA that can test the full operating capability of these turbo, the only thing that can be checked is the operation of the wastegate solenoid using a vacuum pipe.
 

Radyn

///Member
Kish2604 said:
here is my take on this having owned a 320D and 330D both in e46...

1. the failure of the first turbo could be related to normal wear and tear on the journal bearings,
2. the turbo ingesting a large particle and causing damage the compressor impellor,
3. the turbo ingesting many small particles due to operation over dusty roads or a defective or poorly serviced air intake filter or piping,
4. the exhaust impellor could have endured excessive wear due to a rich fuel mix
5. (the most probable cause) the crankcase breather is clogged shut from not being serviced and as a result results in low or poor oil flow to the turbo. this innocuous breather has given the 320D a bad name in recent years
6. the engine oil has been running in there for too long and has begun to sludge causing the poor oil flow.

the process going forward would be to get the defective turbo out and check the oil lines for obstructions and particles, even liberal use of silicone at a joint can cause oil flow problems elsewhere. pull the crankcase breather and replace with Vortex type if your car still has the loo roll design, if you have the vortex type then spray it down with some carb cleaner and let it soak. pull the intercooler and check for oil having collected in there.

finally and most importantly, put some fresh oil and a new filter in before starting it up.

keep us in the loop...

ps. you speak about the turbo specialist having rebuilt and tested the turbo, I know with a lot of certainty that there isn't a test bench in SA that can test the full operating capability of these turbo, the only thing that can be checked is the operation of the wastegate solenoid using a vacuum pipe.

I bought the car 9months ago.
Car was serviced 6000km before i got it. Full service history
When i send the car in for turbo they also did service and change filters and oil.
They change both oil feed and return pipes.
And they said they test oil pressure at sensor and oil pump is pumping oil.

If i know this would end up this much i would have bought new turbo in the firts place.

The car is still standing at service center i will ask them to check crankcase breather i dont think that was ever changed on the car. And car got 203142km on the clock
 

Kish2604

Administrator
Staff member

The car is still standing at service center i will ask them to check crankcase breather i dont think that was ever changed on the car. And car got 203142km on the clock
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at 200 000km the breather would be busted... do a search on the forum for pics...
 

Radyn

///Member
Kish2604 said:

The car is still standing at service center i will ask them to check crankcase breather i dont think that was ever changed on the car. And car got 203142km on the clock

at 200 000km the breather would be busted... do a search on the forum for pics...
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THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.

I just send them mail to replace or repair crankcase breader and clean oilcooler now i am still waiting to hear of turbo and what i could do.

I really hope my problems get sorted soon.
 

CliftonH

///Member
Kish2604 said:
here is my take on this having owned a 320D and 330D both in e46...

1. the failure of the first turbo could be related to normal wear and tear on the journal bearings,
2. the turbo ingesting a large particle and causing damage the compressor impellor,
3. the turbo ingesting many small particles due to operation over dusty roads or a defective or poorly serviced air intake filter or piping,
4. the exhaust impellor could have endured excessive wear due to a rich fuel mix
5. (the most probable cause) the crankcase breather is clogged shut from not being serviced and as a result results in low or poor oil flow to the turbo. this innocuous breather has given the 320D a bad name in recent years
6. the engine oil has been running in there for too long and has begun to sludge causing the poor oil flow.

the process going forward would be to get the defective turbo out and check the oil lines for obstructions and particles, even liberal use of silicone at a joint can cause oil flow problems elsewhere. pull the crankcase breather and replace with Vortex type if your car still has the loo roll design, if you have the vortex type then spray it down with some carb cleaner and let it soak. pull the intercooler and check for oil having collected in there.

finally and most importantly, put some fresh oil and a new filter in before starting it up.

keep us in the loop...

ps. you speak about the turbo specialist having rebuilt and tested the turbo, I know with a lot of certainty that there isn't a test bench in SA that can test the full operating capability of these turbo, the only thing that can be checked is the operation of the wastegate solenoid using a vacuum pipe.

Hi kish,
Please elaborate a little more on number 4,
How do u know if you have a rich fuel mixture,
 

Spy007

///Member
Sell it. Had same issues. Even with brand new turbo from garette. Did they flush the system. Did they check injectors. Did they fiddle with boost.
Get rid of the car as I have same issues. After turbo then clutch. Then diesel pump etc etc etc

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My total bill in the end was 27k.

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Radyn

///Member
Spy007 said:
Sell it. Had same issues. Even with brand new turbo from garette. Did they flush the system. Did they check injectors. Did they fiddle with boost.
Get rid of the car as I have same issues. After turbo then clutch. Then diesel pump etc etc etc

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My total bill in the end was 27k.

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SELLING IS NOT THE PROBLEME WHAT WILL I GET FOR IT AND WHAT COULD I BUY WITH IT AGAIN.

I WILL HEAR IN THE WEEK FROM CONSUMERS PROTECTION.

STILL WAITING FOR WORKSHOP ON CRANKBREADER
 

Radyn

///Member
Hi

I think the Service center is screwing me with out smiles.

They qoute me R2025 labour just to check the crankcase breeder valve.
That after most off the engine panels is strip of all ready.

And that does not even include cleaning of intercooler.

Should i go and collect my car and do a diy or do you need special tools for the job. Could you only change the filter or do you need to replace the complete unit??
 

Radyn

///Member
Kish2604 said:
here is my take on this having owned a 320D and 330D both in e46...

1. the failure of the first turbo could be related to normal wear and tear on the journal bearings,
2. the turbo ingesting a large particle and causing damage the compressor impellor,
3. the turbo ingesting many small particles due to operation over dusty roads or a defective or poorly serviced air intake filter or piping,
4. the exhaust impellor could have endured excessive wear due to a rich fuel mix
5. (the most probable cause) the crankcase breather is clogged shut from not being serviced and as a result results in low or poor oil flow to the turbo. this innocuous breather has given the 320D a bad name in recent years
6. the engine oil has been running in there for too long and has begun to sludge causing the poor oil flow.

the process going forward would be to get the defective turbo out and check the oil lines for obstructions and particles, even liberal use of silicone at a joint can cause oil flow problems elsewhere. pull the crankcase breather and replace with Vortex type if your car still has the loo roll design, if you have the vortex type then spray it down with some carb cleaner and let it soak. pull the intercooler and check for oil having collected in there.

finally and most importantly, put some fresh oil and a new filter in before starting it up.

keep us in the loop...

ps. you speak about the turbo specialist having rebuilt and tested the turbo, I know with a lot of certainty that there isn't a test bench in SA that can test the full operating capability of these turbo, the only thing that can be checked is the operation of the wastegate solenoid using a vacuum pipe.

Hi so today i went to fetch my car at Service Center still with same probleme. I remove breeder and still hade loo filter. Could this possibly be my problem. The filter is hard and when you press on it just black oil but it is not running. The housing serounding the filter is also dry.

My question what is diff between crank case breeder and oil seperator??

Hope you guys could help
 

Kish2604

Administrator
Staff member
Throw that thing away put a vortex filter....crank case breather and oil separator is the same thing...let me try and find a link to one I posted before...
 

Kish2604

Administrator
Staff member
No. 11 is the whole unit with 12, 13, and 15 being internal pieces of the unit... Follow the links above, some golden information in there with DIY pics...
 

Radyn

///Member
Kish2604 said:
No. 11 is the whole unit with 12, 13, and 15 being internal pieces of the unit... Follow the links above, some golden information in there with DIY pics...

I dont understand Bmw charge me R485 for number 11 and R1250 for number 15.

My loo filter is quitte hard and It's not like It's been socket in oil. Die take a few picks but cant upload.

Thanks for all tour help
 

Radyn

///Member
Kish2604 said:



Number 11 should be the actual loo roll itself...

Number 15 would be the whole unit...

Thanks

I Will go by Bmw and See. The salesman told me the R480 is the voltex kit.

I Will go to bmw and see the diff in parts. Once that fix i must take car in for turbo again
 
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