Opinion: We all need smaller wheels

maximus

///Member
They mentioned M5 :)

Opinion: We all need smaller wheels

http://www.topgear.co.za/news/opinion-we-all-need-smaller-wheels/

5 April, 2013 | by Lance Branquinho

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Toyota’s 86 is our current car of the year. We love it.

Despite its lack of obvious “Poweeeeerrrrrrr” Clarkson loves it too. All told, it’s a perfect product design execution of less being more. Something of a rarity in automotive design nowadays.

A crucial element enabling 86 to be such a delicately engaging driver’s car are its tyres, or rather, lack thereof. In a world madly obsessed with inched-up alloys and Lamborghini Countach reincarnated tire cross-section measurements, 86’s 205/40/17 appear decidedly underwhelming.

When you drive an 86, though, it just works, you don’t for one moment dwell on its Prius-like tyres. Turn-in is sharp and deliberate, with rear-end break-away about as progressive (and predictable) as the foam build-up from pouring a draught. All of this despite rolling rather undersized rubber.

My point? Less is more.

So why aren’t we rolling smaller wheels and tyres on more cars? Well, there’s a rather good, but admittedly alarming, reason for that: they’re too mechanically obese. With all the infotainment equipment, sound-deadening material, safety intervention systems onboard and general ballooning in size of evolutionary model ranges, vehicles are now so heavy they require oversized brakes to keep all that rolling (marauding) momentum in check. And therein – the problem…

To fit really big brake rotors, you need a lot of wheel clearance: hence the ridiculously oversized wheel diameters that have now become standard. Remember when BMW’s e34 M5 rolled those ventilation design ‘white wall’ 17-inch alloy/tyres, and we all thought they were totally massive? The new M5 can be had with 20s, and beyond their impressive appearance they’re also necessary because the mass discrepancy between e34 and F10 M5 is no less than 295kg. Is that progress? Really?

The wisdom to be gleaned from this is simple: it’s time for smarter materials to reduce weight, resultantly requiring smaller brake rotors, enabling wheel size to shrink and thereby resurrecting normal tyre profile aspect ratios, with all the ride quality and associated dynamic benefits that will most surely bring.

Land Rover’s showed what is possible with the new Range Rover’s mass loss, a notable 400-odd kilograms, thanks to its meticulously engineered aluminium construction.

It’s not solely the fault of product planners. We’re also to blame. Customer demand should be tailored to request more discerning equipment and trim levels. Our cars are carrying too much stuff on-board, a lot of it surfeit to the driving experience, or even passenger comfort. There needs to be a choice to bin some of it.

When the e34 M5 poster was on my bedroom wall, the idea of an optional 19-inch wheels on any 3 Series was a notion beyond even the silliest comprehension. Now, it’s a reality. Which means, somewhere, we’ve gone about supersizing our cars all wrong.

As Toyota’s 86 illustrates, less is more.
 

distilledsilver

New member
what did the E34 525i come on? 15"'s?

In which case

E34 525i 15"
E39 528i 16"
E60 530i 17"
F10 528i 18"

As standard. I would guess its more about styling than necessity.
 

maximus

///Member
distilledsilver said:
what did the E34 525i come on? 15"'s?

In which case

E34 525i 15"
E39 528i 16"
E60 530i 17"
F10 528i 18"

As standard. I would guess its more about styling than necessity.

Yeah mines, 15' standard steel rims :)
 

rick540

///Member
I like the referring to the E34 M5 as a supercar....... Which of course it is though I may be biased :rollsmile:
 

UpNcOmiNg!

Events Organiser
Completely agree. for the look factor, big does look much better, buuuut its not always the best. I know the 135i can go down to 17's and thats about it.
 

OppositeLockMT

Active member
I drove an F10 530d some time back with 20inch factory rims. As unnecessary as they may have been, they definitely did look the part.
 

Rayzor

Well-known member
I thought faster cars require bigger brakes :fencelook:, you cant compare a TOYOTA 86 to an F10 M5 :nonono:
 

Philip Foglar

///Member
Yep, a car does not have to be super fast to be fun to drive - it's how engaging it is and how much it rewards your senses and emotions. I have not yet driven a Toyota 86, but I can just imagine what everyone is on about with this car.

Of course the E34 M5 is a true legend of a car, and yes, a supercar indeed! :praise:

Wheel size these days for me are often a extreme, especially for our roads. But, wheel size serves two important functions on a car, handling first of all, and then the overall look of the car.

For me, there is always a wheel size (or range) that suites a car, and anything bigger or smaller begins to look silly. For instance:

On the E90 18" is the ideal size for me in terms of cosmetics and is already low profile enough for good handling, 17" is a bit on the smaller size but acceptable, 16" is too small - then 19" is for me the upper limit, anything larger just looks odd to me.

On the E46, 17" is the ideal size, 16" too small and 18" upwards is too large for the car visually.

Now this of course is my opinion and based on cars that are otherwise still stock standard overall in their styling with the wheels being OEM in those sizes.
 
Philip Foglar said:
Yep, a car does not have to be super fast to be fun to drive - it's how engaging it is and how much it rewards your senses and emotions. I have not yet driven a Toyota 86, but I can just imagine what everyone is on about with this car.

Of course the E34 M5 is a true legend of a car, and yes, a supercar indeed! :praise:

Wheel size these days for me are often a extreme, especially for our roads. But, wheel size serves two important functions on a car, handling first of all, and then the overall look of the car.

For me, there is always a wheel size (or range) that suites a car, and anything bigger or smaller begins to look silly. For instance:

On the E90 18" is the ideal size for me in terms of cosmetics and is already low profile enough for good handling, 17" is a bit on the smaller size but acceptable, 16" is too small - then 19" is for me the upper limit, anything larger just looks odd to me.

On the E46, 17" is the ideal size, 16" too small and 18" upwards is too large for the car visually.

Now this of course is my opinion and based on cars that are otherwise still stock standard overall in their styling with the wheels being OEM in those sizes.

I had the 16's on, when I bought my car. It really spoiled the look of the car. I love the look of my current wheels with the car's color. Looks way better.
 

Jerez

Well-known member
maximus said:
They mentioned M5 :)

Opinion: We all need smaller wheels

http://www.topgear.co.za/news/opinion-we-all-need-smaller-wheels/

5 April, 2013 | by Lance Branquinho

images_bmw_5_series_e34_1988_1-610x389.jpg


Toyota’s 86 is our current car of the year. We love it.

Despite its lack of obvious “Poweeeeerrrrrrr” Clarkson loves it too. All told, it’s a perfect product design execution of less being more. Something of a rarity in automotive design nowadays.

A crucial element enabling 86 to be such a delicately engaging driver’s car are its tyres, or rather, lack thereof. In a world madly obsessed with inched-up alloys and Lamborghini Countach reincarnated tire cross-section measurements, 86’s 205/40/17 appear decidedly underwhelming.

When you drive an 86, though, it just works, you don’t for one moment dwell on its Prius-like tyres. Turn-in is sharp and deliberate, with rear-end break-away about as progressive (and predictable) as the foam build-up from pouring a draught. All of this despite rolling rather undersized rubber.

My point? Less is more.

So why aren’t we rolling smaller wheels and tyres on more cars? Well, there’s a rather good, but admittedly alarming, reason for that: they’re too mechanically obese. With all the infotainment equipment, sound-deadening material, safety intervention systems onboard and general ballooning in size of evolutionary model ranges, vehicles are now so heavy they require oversized brakes to keep all that rolling (marauding) momentum in check. And therein – the problem…

To fit really big brake rotors, you need a lot of wheel clearance: hence the ridiculously oversized wheel diameters that have now become standard. Remember when BMW’s e34 M5 rolled those ventilation design ‘white wall’ 17-inch alloy/tyres, and we all thought they were totally massive? The new M5 can be had with 20s, and beyond their impressive appearance they’re also necessary because the mass discrepancy between e34 and F10 M5 is no less than 295kg. Is that progress? Really?

The wisdom to be gleaned from this is simple: it’s time for smarter materials to reduce weight, resultantly requiring smaller brake rotors, enabling wheel size to shrink and thereby resurrecting normal tyre profile aspect ratios, with all the ride quality and associated dynamic benefits that will most surely bring.

Land Rover’s showed what is possible with the new Range Rover’s mass loss, a notable 400-odd kilograms, thanks to its meticulously engineered aluminium construction.

It’s not solely the fault of product planners. We’re also to blame. Customer demand should be tailored to request more discerning equipment and trim levels. Our cars are carrying too much stuff on-board, a lot of it surfeit to the driving experience, or even passenger comfort. There needs to be a choice to bin some of it.

When the e34 M5 poster was on my bedroom wall, the idea of an optional 19-inch wheels on any 3 Series was a notion beyond even the silliest comprehension. Now, it’s a reality. Which means, somewhere, we’ve gone about supersizing our cars all wrong.

As Toyota’s 86 illustrates, less is more.


Don't know why Toyota stuck Marie biscuits for wheels but larger also means wider. Wider means more traction... And with the power we see in the roads nowadays, slightly bigger wheels to accomdate bigger calipers is a requirement.
 

Twinz

Forum - Support
Staff member
I had a toyota tazz many moons ago with 13s now that was true biscuit wheels :tease:
 
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