Opinion needed

[JPAsp]

Hi guys,

So my dad currently has a X3 3.0D but its sitting on about 310 000km on the clock, he wants to trade it in on something newer and something that will be reliable and big as he's a photographer and travels long distance a lot (from Joburg to Cape Town and Durban roughly twice a month) and loads big equipment in it. He's thinking on trading it on a 2012 Hyundai Sante Fe 2.2CRDi with roughly 130 000km on it?

I would like to know if anyone knows how reliable the Sante Fe is? or if there is another SUV to consider? Roughly in the range of R200 000?

Any help is as always highly appreciated. :ty:

 

[335i MTX]

I'd rather buy a Fortuner or a Nissan X Trail. Just my 2cents.

 

[JPAsp]

I'd rather buy a Fortuner or a Nissan X Trail. Just my 2cents.

Why?? he's open to other cars, hes just looking for a reliable car. He drove the Fortuner for 2 weeks and doesn't like, feels like a bakkie, which in doing long distance is not ideal.

 

[m0lt3n]

I would choose the Hyundai above a Nissan, they actually take that extreme warranty of theirs very serious plus the Santa Fe is rather nice. I think he is looking at the new shape.
Its a lot bigger than the Xtrail as well, in line with a Fortuner or X5.

 

[DieselFan]

Is 310k kms not a testament to the x3s reliability? Why not trade it in on an x5 3.0d?

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[m0lt3n]

I think running costs on an X5 will be a lot more. I find BMW service costs competitive, but the tyre on a 3.0d X5 will bankrupt one. I reckon it will be double the cost of those on a Santa Fe when the mileage it will get is also taken into consideration.
I would look at another X3 rather, for R200k you can get the new shape X3 and its a much nicer drive than the old one, but I guess your father wants something bigger now.
I cant think of much other options, maybe a DC Amarok?

 

[RAArmstrong]

Get another X3?

Yes.

 

[JPAsp]

Is 310k kms not a testament to the x3s reliability? Why not trade it in on an x5 3.0d?

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I never said there weren't any problems within those 310k kms :hammerhead: off the top of my head, i know he's had to replace the turbo twice, the heater, and 5 out of 6 injectors (with a the cheapest quote being R8500 per injector).:smashScreen:

I think running costs on an X5 will be a lot more. I find BMW service costs competitive, but the tyre on a 3.0d X5 will bankrupt one. I reckon it will be double the cost of those on a Santa Fe when the mileage it will get is also taken into consideration.
I would look at another X3 rather, for R200k you can get the new shape X3 and its a much nicer drive than the old one, but I guess your father wants something bigger now.
I cant think of much other options, maybe a DC Amarok?

Precisely, the maintenance costs would be a lot more. He doesn't want another BMW at the moment because quite frankly, he doesn't have the money for the maintenance costs of BMW parts. Hence the reason for a downgrade.

How solid are the newer X3 motors? In terms of it being a diesel option.

 

[KevM]

What about a Rav4?
Should be able to get the new shape.

 

[m0lt3n]

I take it if he is looking at a santa fe and not IX35 that he wants something rather big, that means all the softroaders like x trail and rav 4 is not an option?

Seems like he really had a lot of issues on that x3. I would like to hear more as my 320d e90 went to 200k km trouble free. Is your father someone with no mechanical sympathy? Meaning dont idle a warm engine/turbo for a few seconds before shut down and stuff like that?

 

[Twinz]

Whatever vehicle choice he makes and considering the distances he travels per month i would add:

1. Motorplan/service plan and even extend it upfront.
2. Waranty and extend it upfront

 

[Luigi_S]

I'm on my second Santa Fe. First one we had for 6 years and did around 160k kms. Great cars. Reliable to a fault, comfortable and loads of space. Far better than the Fortuner or Nissan.

The 2012 would be the facelift of the CM shape, same as mine. Fuel economy is phenomenal. We got 6.2 l/100km going from Jhb to Margate last Easter fully loaded and I mean fully loaded. Daily driving, I average around 8.4 to 8.6 l/100km.

We use ours for camping and putting a boat in and out of dams, rivers, etc. and never been stuck or had issues. With regard the Warranty, I have only had to use it once, to get a clogged EGR valve replaced which was done without fuss or hassle. You probably find the EGR wasn't even that bad, lol. My vehicle is now on just under 100k kms. I should pick the car up tomorrow afternoon with a new EGR valve sorted.

The best part about the Hyundai compared to the Fortuner is you don't have to worry about being hijacked or the car being stolen.

I don't know why the IX35 is so popular, to me the Santa Fe is a far better vehicle. I would wholeheartedly and unreservedly recommend a Santa Fe. It is such an under rated vehicle. The 2.2 R type engine is a peach and the best part is it has a timing chain which should never need replacing.

 

[JPAsp]

I take it if he is looking at a santa fe and not IX35 that he wants something rather big, that means all the softroaders like x trail and rav 4 is not an option?

Seems like he really had a lot of issues on that x3. I would like to hear more as my 320d e90 went to 200k km trouble free. Is your father someone with no mechanical sympathy? Meaning dont idle a warm engine/turbo for a few seconds before shut down and stuff like that?

He has always looked after his car properly. So he always warms up the engine before driving, idles before he shuts down and hardly ever floors the car.

Off the top of his head, these are the things which he has had to replace, majority of which all happened after 105k km:

Air-con
Heater
Gearbox (107 k km)
Turbo (112k km)
Tensioner Belt
Crankshaft Pulley
Crankshaft Sensor
Power Steering
Main computer box
Injectors
Oil cooler

I'm on my second Santa Fe. First one we had for 6 years and did around 160k kms. Great cars. Reliable to a fault, comfortable and loads of space. Far better than the Fortuner or Nissan.

The 2012 would be the facelift of the CM shape, same as mine. Fuel economy is phenomenal. We got 6.2 l/100km going from Jhb to Margate last Easter fully loaded and I mean fully loaded. Daily driving, I average around 8.4 to 8.6 l/100km.

We use ours for camping and putting a boat in and out of dams, rivers, etc. and never been stuck or had issues. With regard the Warranty, I have only had to use it once, to get a clogged EGR valve replaced which was done without fuss or hassle. You probably find the EGR wasn't even that bad, lol. My vehicle is now on just under 100k kms. I should pick the car up tomorrow afternoon with a new EGR valve sorted.

The best part about the Hyundai compared to the Fortuner is you don't have to worry about being hijacked or the car being stolen.

I don't know why the IX35 is so popular, to me the Santa Fe is a far better vehicle. I would wholeheartedly and unreservedly recommend a Santa Fe. It is such an under rated vehicle. The 2.2 R type engine is a peach and the best part is it has a timing chain which should never need replacing.

Thanks for your insight on the Sante Fe!:ty: It helps a lot, especially seen as you have had 2 of them.
That fuel economy sounds amazing based on the size of the vehicle.

 

[Andrew]

Why not get another X3 - if you could stretch to 240k you could get a F25 2.0d which would give great fuel economy and would offset the higher purchase price.

Check this one out

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies/other/2011-bmw-x3-xdrive2-0d-a-t/1001638089770910377308409

 

[JPAsp]

Why not get another X3 - if you could stretch to 240k you could get a F25 2.0d which would give great fuel economy and would offset the higher purchase price.

Check this one out

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies/other/2011-bmw-x3-xdrive2-0d-a-t/1001638089770910377308409

I think running costs on an X5 will be a lot more. I find BMW service costs competitive, but the tyre on a 3.0d X5 will bankrupt one. I reckon it will be double the cost of those on a Santa Fe when the mileage it will get is also taken into consideration.
I would look at another X3 rather, for R200k you can get the new shape X3 and its a much nicer drive than the old one, but I guess your father wants something bigger now.
I cant think of much other options, maybe a DC Amarok?

Precisely, the maintenance costs would be a lot more. He doesn't want another BMW at the moment because quite frankly, he doesn't have the money for the maintenance costs of BMW parts. Hence the reason for a downgrade.

How solid are the newer X3 motors? In terms of it being a diesel option.

 

[m0lt3n]

Thats a long list of issues and honestly, if BMW was to give me so much issues I would seriously consider greener pastures.
Reason I asked if your father has some mechanical sympathy is because my father also has the previous shape 2.0d x3 and his has been absolutely trouble free. Driving it from 80k km to I think about 150k km now. So not yet 300k km region but no issues so far.

I do want him to change his transfer case oil now as preventative maintenance, but otherwise just normal services.