M4 wreck

[kilotango]

Very sad,

Young guys too!
So sad.

First time I see a car in tartars like this, anyone know what they hit?

- I have heard before that M cars are dangerous cars, I.e. You must know what you are doing when in one. Hence some prefer the advanced driving when owing one,

It is very sad, I think maintenance also plays a big part here, just look at those tyres they are very bold, not sure how those kept that much power on the road

actually you're right...when i looked at the video, there were dashboard warnings about driving moderately, see the screenshot below:

 

[ChefDJ]

I too feel nothing for the oafs that caused this. If anything, I feel for their families who now mourn them, and even more so for the families of any third party fatalities not directly involved in this recklessness.

Scenes like this (and ultimately events leading up to this) are the reason why controlled motorsport/racing is dying out in SA, and why we have so many road fatalities, and why authorities choose only to focus on speeding as an offence, forgetting or ignoring the many other enforceable laws and those who break them that contribute to bad driving experiences, such as unroadworthy vehicles, overloaded vehicles, etc.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

I too feel nothing for the oafs that caused this. If anything, I feel for their families who now mourn them, and even more so for the families of any third party fatalities not directly involved in this recklessness.

Scenes like this (and ultimately events leading up to this) are the reason why controlled motorsport/racing is dying out in SA, and why we have so many road fatalities, and why authorities choose only to focus on speeding as an offence, forgetting or ignoring the many other enforceable laws and those who break them that contribute to bad driving experiences, such as unroadworthy vehicles, overloaded vehicles, etc.

Chef I'm not sure I follow the logic in the sentence I have highlighted above (bold)?? With respect, i think motorsport in SA in the mainstream is dying primarily due to exorbitant cost of competing. The less mainstream classes (VW Challenge I think its called as an example) are enjoying big entries because its (relatively) affordable to go and race for fun.

As for the rest of your comment I agree for the most part; the speed that this idiot was doing in isolation was not the reason for the accident. The INAPPROPRIATE speed, possible (probable) intoxication and therefore diminished reactions, the lack of driver ability in the first place, and the apparent lack of proper control of the vehicle (filming while driving) created the "perfect storm" for the loss of control of the vehicle. At THAT POINT, the fact that there was clearly high speed involved resulted in a catastrophic crash and severe impact(s) causing the vehicle to disintegrate.

I haven't seen the video and therefore not sure of the next comment however I would not be surprised at all if the driver was weaving through slower moving traffic while racing the Gti. At some point, he ran out of "talent" and this is the tragic result.

Chances are, sober driver on the same stretch of road with no other cars would have had a different end....he'd be bragging about whipping the Gti.... so the speed didn't kill.....the inappropriate speed resulted in a huge crash the ripped the car apart and killed the occupants. :fencelook:

I remain of the view that until such time as the traffic police actually do what it says on the side of their vehicles (Highway Patrol) and travel at all times faster than the traffic flow so as to drive "onto" (catch up to) the traffic flow at all times (rather than slow lane / emergency lane cruise at 80kmh) then idiots will continue to cause accidents which result in fatalities.

Example: N3 northbound to Joburg last week. Between Warden and Villiers at 130km/h overtook a truck and got overtaken by dipshit in a X5 who simply couldn't wait until I'd passed the truck and returned to left lane.... and he was only doing about 145kmh.... in order to pass me he went into the fast lane of the Southbound side of the N3. :dunnoanymore: the ultimate irony?? 15km later he's at the tollgate behind 3 trucks while I went sailing through the Tag lane (hired car) and thus back ahead of him.....WTF did he actually achieve :dunnoanymore:



Anyway this is just my opinion :fencelook:

 

[Nick]

Id like to see the video if anyone has the link.

 

[kilotango]

Id like to see the video if anyone has the link.

scroll down to the bottom mate:

https://www.zero2turbo.com/2018/09/dj-t-skull-killed-in-severe-bmw-m4-crash-in-south-africa.html

 

[Nick]

thanks!

I thought it the wreck of on film.

 

[kilotango]

thanks!

I thought it the wreck of on film.

nah... i dont think they'd be able to do that, unless the family say its fine to do so

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

That car has a soft tire. There is a warning on the dash.......

 

[yush1]

The tyres from the pics also look worn out to add to the fact that the M3/M4's struggle for traction. :dunnoanymore:

 

[r0ckf1re]

Would have better for him if he ran out of fuel instead of road.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

The tyres from the pics also look worn out to add to the fact that the M3/M4's struggle for traction. :dunnoanymore:

Actually a worn tyre (to the extent that these are) will provide better traction in the dry as there is less tread squirm. These look to still be above the wear indicators but are certainly not good for any wet weather as they are....standing water would be a huge problem.... (well....not anymore......)

 

[LOW BOOST]

Easy win for insurance.
Who would settle the debt if this car was financed and the owner passed away.?
Let just say he has no free assets?


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[Tinuva]

I think its sad the driver survived, and the two rear passengers are the 2 that died probably.

 

[telegamer]

Drinking and driving plus speed , never a good combo

 

[Miltonian]

This is sad guys.

The back passengers, both died. one on the spot and one in hospital.
the driver was arrested and charged with culpable homicide but rumour is that he is out on bail this morning. the passenger was treated for minor injuries but released.

This happened in the vaal on houtkop road in vereeniging.
A stone throw away from where i stay.

Drunk driving and speeding was the cause of this.

 

[tman]

Easy win for insurance.
Who would settle the debt if this car was financed and the owner passed away.?
Let just say he has no free assets?


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Pictures of a M4 in front of what looks like an informal settlement style house - Check
Tyres worn smooth - check
Only 24km worth of petrol in the car - check

Im going out on a limb here, and guess the insurance on this (potentially heavily balloon/residual bonded) vehicle was canceled the day it left the showroom floor. :fencelook:

All debts & assets will go into the deceased estate, where a executer will be appointed. In the case where debts exceed assets, beneficiaries to the estate will potentially not receive their promised inheritances/legacies as per the will. Fortunately the debt cant be inherited (bank will write it off if there are no other assets in the estate).

 

[TurboLlew]

Ive seen a few of the In Car videos t this incident.
Seems they were drinking and driving, the driver was the one holding the phone while videoing the high speed driving, and one hand on the wheel.
It was clearly visible that the passenger had a draught in his hands, the rear passenger was loudly cheering the driver on.
I think it may have been a case of showing off after a drinking session, then all got into the Car to fool around.
In all honesty, stupidity and arrogance was the clear winner in this case.
Alcohol, showing off and inability are not be mixed with the stupid driving seen in the video about the car and its occupants.

Also saw the vids. Just because you drive a fast car, doesn't mean you can drive. I actually think all manufacturers should include a driving safety/high speed driving course when selling a vehicle over X amount of HP.

When bought new they do and when bought used at some dealers as well. Whether the guy uses the voucher or not is a different story.

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I think its sad the driver survived, and the two rear passengers are the 2 that died probably.

Quite frankly, I am amazed anyone survived that... or that a survivor is in a position to be in court. The lateral impact must have been immense. There was a young dude in durban with a 135i a few years back that died in a crash like that... car was ripped to pieces similarly

 

[ChrisPy]

The tyres from the pics also look worn out to add to the fact that the M3/M4's struggle for traction. :dunnoanymore:

Actually a worn tyre (to the extent that these are) will provide better traction in the dry as there is less tread squirm. These look to still be above the wear indicators but are certainly not good for any wet weather as they are....standing water would be a huge problem.... (well....not anymore......)

I disagree. The more my tyres got worn on my M3 the more is struggled to put the traction down. Mine were near the wear markers before I replaced them and any form of exuberant throttle would have kicked in TC or lit them up if I had TC switched off.

 

[MikeR]

:fencelook: dammit still not good news - But alcohol played a big roll with their brains....no seat belts also !!!

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

The tyres from the pics also look worn out to add to the fact that the M3/M4's struggle for traction. :dunnoanymore:

Actually a worn tyre (to the extent that these are) will provide better traction in the dry as there is less tread squirm. These look to still be above the wear indicators but are certainly not good for any wet weather as they are....standing water would be a huge problem.... (well....not anymore......)

I disagree. The more my tyres got worn on my M3 the more is struggled to put the traction down. Mine were near the wear markers before I replaced them and any form of exuberant throttle would have kicked in TC or lit them up if I had TC switched off.

Seems odd..... Especially when one considers the early days of Group N racing on road tyres (before the tyre boys started making special compound "standard" road tyres) because in order to get better grip and stop the tyres chunking the guys would skim the tyres down to wear indicators or slightly less.

My experience with my 320d's and Golf Gti was that the greatest dry road grip levels were experienced just before the tyres needed replacing.... Cars became very direct and predictable with the absence of squirm that new tread inevitably has...

Anyway whatever the respective experiences may be the tyres in these photos are still apparently legal with 1mm + of tread depth.