Light mods & resale

PsyCLown

Well-known member
Hey all,

So I was wondering how most people on the forum felt about buying a car with light mods.
Whether it would put you off and you'd want to purchase a car stock and mod it yourself or whether it's convenient as the mods have already been done for you?

When I refer to light mods, I am referring to a downpipe to remove the DPF / cat, software, perhaps xHP for the gearbox.
Perhaps a few cosmetics, such as diffuser, lip etc. can always be removed so not as concerned about the cosmetic mods - more curious about the performance mods.

What are your views and would it sway you in either direction with regards to purchasing a car or not?
 

TurboLlew

Honorary ///Member
This is an interesting topic!

I would ideally like to purchase a car, learn what it is all about stock and then decide on what mods are required. Everyone has a different idea of what power or handling mods are needed or what constitutes 'light mods' and I feel it has just become an absolute nightmare reading opinions on forums or facebook or youtube as they are essentially big adverts alot of the time.

Handling mods are alot more personal and judging handling is a very personal thing
I have done a few little events with the 4C and gotten progressively better and more confident with it... running around the same times at one as a track-prepped supercharged Exige and at another I was a couple of seconds off some very serious things without really trying. This is the first mod that nobody does which is the driver mod...

I am still far from good, but the point is that NOW I can judge whether something needs to be changed or not outside of the basics. You have to do this from scratch for every car IMHO. In all this time I have owned the car, I have read about how you 'have to do' certain mods to the 4C immediately after taking delivery... the narrative was started when the car was new and owners took delivery of poorly aligned cars and before the revised suspension. My car has the race suspension which eliminated most of the issues you hear about online. Even then the issues were on the road and not the track... but still today you will find guys saying you have to immediately spend R6K on suspension blocks, R7K on upgraded ball joints, uniballs etc etc... Owners are doing this not even knowing what the car felt like stock or whether there was a real problem or not. They don't even know what these things are actually fixing. They have no idea if the car in normal form was a good match or not for their natural driving style... I could go on... There are guys afraid to track the car reading these things. When you learn yourself and the car you can hone in on what specific thing is required for YOUR specific use case or problem. It is easy to throw the kitchen sink at a car with all the available options. I had the same experience with my S2000... BMW community has the same things that crop up - especially with coilovers and springs.

For this reason I would not buy a car with extensive and very specific handling mods done... nor one that just has 'everything' done to it. Coilovers would have to be very specific brands which very few people in SA seem to have the appetite to invest in.

Power mods
I want to talk about power mods next. I don't mind someone having done software and downpipes on a car. What I do care about is what they have fitted where it was done and how it was used. This requires you to know and trust the person selling it. I would personally rather buy a car with power mods than one that has been returned to stock.

There is also such a thing as too much power... and even though a stock-internal motor will HANDLE a certain amount of power doesn't mean you should constantly be running that. I feel alot of guys are doing this because they are sponsored by motorplan or VISA and have a warped understanding of how this whole thing works... There is this mindset that because my mate with his N54/B58/S55 (who might be lying about his mods, mind you) is making a certain amount of power on allegedly pump fuel, I should be too or else I am missing out on something... The humble bragging (or lying) by tuners posting about their 10 second cars with 'safe daily files' and 'pump fuel' adds to this... Most of you who have spoken to me since doing Bootmod3 on the M5 will know that I think it has far too much power with the stage 2 map. It is a very aggressive tune and will even pull timing on high octane fuel in some scenarios. This is on a car that probably had too much power to begin with. I have no regrets going this route for other reasons, but it is running a far milder tune 99.9% of the time... because I am not a competitive racer or doing highway pulls and neither do I have sponsors or a long list of clients able to pay for any issues that arise.

Anyway, the point of this is there are cars running more aggressive maps than this (or setups with less control) all day... these same cars end up being sold after having a great deal of their useful life taken away because of it. You see these GT-Rs advertised with AMS Alpha kits for basically the price of the mods sometimes or Subaru's with 'freshly built' forged motors: Seeing the mods list of a car tells you absolutely nothing except that the owner had a big bank balance or large overdraft. You don't know how much life is remaining in those parts or what issues await you. That is when the tears start for the new owner when they think they are buying a car with under 50000km and wonder why it has problems that even 150000km cars don't experience. In the case of power mods, there is also another side to this: the buyer has to trust that the person is being truthful on one hand AND the seller has to trust that the new owner won't be a complete moron and knows what he is getting himself into... buyers remorse with modded cars gets very ugly.

For this reason, I am also hesitant to sell a car to somebody that I have modded (or a modded car in general) because I feel like my reputation is then at stake and in the hands of someone who perhaps has some other idea of what to expect (or treats it badly) and then I end up as that guy who sold someone a poorly modded car to them that broke and took them for a ride. It will be murphy's law that my otherwise well looked after car breaks something shortly after someone takes delivery and then I am painted as some villain. The car community is just that childish or vindictive alot of the time unfortunately and then everyone will get on the bandwagon to support the poor sod who bit off more than he could chew. Probably 80% of the reason I have kept my M5 is sentimental value and 20% is because of this.

I have numerous examples of people buying cars, maintaining them extremely poorly or with their 'trusted' junk-tier mechanics that have never seen such cars before and then turning around and claiming 'shortcuts were taken by previous owner' or 'previous owner was an <insert derogatory name here>' or ripped them off somehow. Honestly I don't have time for the drama. I think of selling my M5 and immediately think about the person immediately using crap fuel, shortcut fixes, destroying gearbox, motor, axles etc etc etc and then coming here to create a thread to extort money out of me to fix it. THIS SCENARIO HAS HAPPENED TO PEOPLE. No thanks!

Cosmetics
Cosmetically it is a matter of taste. As long as it is not some rocketbunny/LBW kit or generic autostyle stuff glued onto it in some irreversible way its really fine. If anything there are certain cosmetic things I would be drawn to and would make it a more attractive purchase.
 

VinceM

Well-known member
I am also a stock car person,

I recall someone mentioned my car would not be bought because it has no modifications


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MR_Y

Well-known member
If the mods are backed by the OEM or another company that is somewhat affiliated with the brand, then that would be okay for me.
So, AC Schnitzer on a BMW, but with work having been done at a BMW dealer (like JSN) would be suitable.
In Volvo land, any Polestar power mod (software, mechanical or aero) would be fine, if fitted by a Volvo dealer.
If Ford, then Rousch Performance would be fine, if proof of Rousch fitment and warranty is made available.
 

Kyle

///Member
Generally speaking I look for a stock car, as has been said... Mods are a subjective thing, although I would consider stuff like OEM or OEM style M performance kits on the F30 for an example stock since they were an option from BMW.

When a car has been personalised too much, it will obviously appeal to a smaller market. The below car is a good example of this.

 

TBP88

Well-known member
Prefer stock, maybe rims or something like that if I like the look of them. But certainly any power mods or major suspension mods would be a thing I'd use to drive the price lower.
 

JoziNick

Active member
I myself would be very cautious buying a second hand car with light mods mentioned (any mods in fact) I nearly had my f30 320d done with with software to get even more out of the tank...but then when i started looking at DP, and cat etc I then left it all


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FiRi@Rennzport

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Maybe I'm biased but I think it depends on the seller. I would purchase a modded car IF I knew the seller and the cars history well. If things are hidden and he is not willing to come forth with info, then it's a no go.

That being said, all my cars from day 1 were stock and modified cosmetically , mechanically by myself to my own taste. I have been blessed to get buyers for them who appreciated the time and effort put in to do what I did to the car, knowing that I don't skimp when it comes to parts used. Llews comment about suspension is perfect, you get guys who will insist thay Arc coilovers are just as good as KW coilovers

So again, for me it boils down to to seller, if the next type of car I want is from a reputable owner who does things right, I would purchase a modded car yes.

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JoziNick

Active member
Agreed, if I know the seller and have a bit more trust then I’d be more comfortable buying modded (even stock), whereas anything else tread as cautiously as possible


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PsyCLown

Well-known member
Thanks for the responses so far, I thought it might be the case but wasn't 100% sure.
Most would feel safer with a stock car, some would consider a modded car but what was done and by whom and the person selling that car all comes into play, preventative maintenance done etc.

I think what might scare some off from modded cars is whether the car has been abused or not, especially with power mods.
You do get people who couldn't really care, start it up and floor it while its still cold and consistently do this. Not much care about looking after the vehicle or what possible long term damage might be caused by their actions - however the same can happen with a stock car and one chooses not to care because it has motorplan and they plan on selling the vehicle before the motorplan expires - so that would ultimately becomes the next owners issue.
Perhaps more likely on a modded car or performance car though.

Was more curious as to how much it would affect how many would be interested in the car and not so much resale value of the car and possibly being able to ask more for the car since x mods have been done.
 
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