HPF (RHD) Twin Turbo Kits for e46 M3!!!!!!

[calypso]

well then we will have to wait and see when my manifold is done.

I don't have patents etc so I won't be saying much, but the kit I will be making available will keep the aircon.

Ok well come back when your vapour is a real product.
Sure you can put a big turbo in, but doing it while keeping the car drivable and not losing aircon, powersteering or windscreenwasher tank ect is the challenge.

I wish MattQ was still on the forum.

 

[saturnz]

It is a challenge but not impossible, cars are man made and not some elusive concept that is beyond man's faculties.

 

[sclass]

Why on earth would you want to turbo a high revving s54 motor in the first place?? it changes the car completely, sure you get more torque and loads of power, but at the same time you loose the spirit of the ///M motors high revving capability, Sav brings the rev limit down to 7000rpm or so.....

If you want a turbo charged BMW....sell the ///m and go buy a 335:fencelook:

That's an interesting point actually...

 

[saturnz]

In my view there is nothing special about an M3, it is a mass produced car.

If we really want to speak about the work of engineers and spirit and so forth, then I think a more applicable car would be a Ferrari or Lamborghini or some other super or exotic car, and even these have aftermarket turbo applications fitted to them.

 

[moranor@axis]

so why pay more for am M3 to turbo it when you can get the same out of a 330i...

If you going to have to replace almost everything anyway you may as well start with a cheaper base and let someone else enjoy the M3...

but its your car and your money so do what you want with it...

i just dont see the point of changing an awesome car (M3) into a different awesome car (turbo) when you can take and average car (330i) and make it awesome (turbo)

 

[George Smooth]

And I don't see the point of going to gym, deep inside you a skinny malinigi - get my point.

 

[moranor@axis]

no im all for improving things... but starting with an M3 does not give you any real advantage with a boosted application...

 

[George Smooth]

no im all for improving things... but starting with an M3 does not give you any real advantage with a boosted application...

It does have its advantages. The drivetrain is beefed up as well as most components in comparison to non M cars. You should have a look at what the 335i driveshafts look like compared to the M version. I am sure I would have broken a few if I did not go that route.

 

[moranor@axis]

i have seen quite a few guys in the states break driveshafts on M3s with hard launches with stockish engines i have no doubt the M3 will need alot of strengthening for a turbo... i know the lsd does not last long for sideways also...

obviously it depends on the application but i dont see any reason not to start with a 330i instead... the amount of work required is the same and the 330i is quite a bit cheaper...

if you already have an M3 i can see why one would be tempted to boost it to get more out of it, but i dont think its the best idea when you can sell it and use the difference to help pay for mods...

or you could trade it in on a *35i and save yourself a whole lot of trouble :fencelook:

 

[saturnz]

or you could trade both cars in and turbo an e36 M3 and get the same power

or you could use a e30 318 and turbo it, it doesn't really matter, but to put an M3 on a pedestal I can't see the reasoning when other cars more worthy of being on a pedestal are being turbo charged.

the fact remains is that there is a strong demand for turbocharging M3s, otherwise HPF would not be making this package available, which means I'm not the only one that feels this way, and I doubt the people fitting these a applications to the cars are not BMW fanatics.

This has been debated over and over, its pointless debating it again.

 

[sclass]

Ahem, how do you get a -3 rep :fencelook:

 

[steve 325i]

i dont understand why people are putting the e46 m3 on such a pedastal! there more common than any other m3 and just a mass produced car.
yeah they are a good all rounder which is more reason to turbo that over a 330.the m3 is gonna have much better running gear so is better for a turbo, otherwise your gonna spend a fortune uprating everything to cope with the added power.

i say good on anyone that is helping move forward on developing this! i'd love to see the power figures for one with a big turbo !

 

[moranor@axis]

you have to uprate pretty much everything on the M3 anyway... not putting it on a pedestal but there is no reason not to start with a 330i...

 

[ChrisBrand]

I think even better just start with a e36 328i...

I don't think anyone is putting the ///M on a pedestal. Its just out of respect that you know experts working for a professional, world renound, tuning company spent billions developing ///M engines into what they are today. They are constricted with strict standards whereas the guy working from his backyard is not.

I understand you support progression and thats whats led us to the turbo charged fleet of 3 series we have now. Better fuel consumption with more power and better environmental standards. Thats what effecient dynamics are there to do. By all means if you feel you want to charge an ///M or even a classic 1936 328i thats your choice. If all you see when you look at any car is potential to be modded regardless of its history then by all means. All i know is that there is no car that sounds like a e46 M3. Just as there is no car that could replicate it or any other ///M ever made.

Our country is one rich in people that are willing and competitive enough to try and out mod the other. Competition leads to progression. Preserving VS modding comes down to personal preference. Its your choice

 

[Xack]

Well said Chris...i respect anybody who wants to do a turbo conversion on an ///m...but to me, the award winning 3.2 litre high revver is too much of a gem to ever consider that route:rollsmile:

 

[///Marksman]

...world renound, tuning company spent billions developing ///M engines into what they are today. They are constricted with strict standards whereas the guy working from his backyard is not.

tuning company?
*cough*

I agree with the latter part, however.. "backyard" does not necessarily mean standards are lower, which many assume to be the case by default. Stating the obvious here but manufacturers have to cater for a LARGE audience, whereas somebody who mods his car, mods it for himself with his OWN goals in mind.

All i know is that there is no car that sounds like a e46 M3. Just as there is no car that could replicate it or any other ///M ever made.

I concur! Just as no car should.

i have seen quite a few guys in the states break driveshafts on M3s with hard launches with stockish engines i have no doubt the M3 will need alot of strengthening for a turbo...

Ok, lets just say there are a few (2? 8? 34?) guys who have broken their driveshafts under hard launching with stockish motors (???lol???)

..There are numerous (read: shitloads) of F/I M cars running on stock internals, stock suspension components, stock clutch & flywheel assembly's, stock brakes, stock driveshafts, stock... fk it stock EVERYTHING with the exception of the charger, tuning and most times a header back exhaust (mainly cause the yanks have cats in their headers).

Can the same be said with non M F/I e46 cars.. not exactly.
Can the same be done.. probably!
Of course every component added and setup properly will yeild favourable results, but it is by no means an absolute neccesity.
As you say though, it depends on the application and to add to that, the need.

i know the lsd does not last long for sideways also...

Funny thing that, whenever you see an M car being tested/ reviewed/ toyed with.. they're going sideways or doing pointless burnouts with the tires being first to go..

But seriously, do you have any source to back that up? "Does not last" As in BOOOOM!, breaking teeth, grinding??

you have to uprate pretty much everything on the M3 anyway

Really? care to be a little more specific?

There are advantages in starting with an M platform vs non M for F/I, perhaps none that fall in line with your way of thinking though. If $$$ is your only argument, then fair enough but please don't scew facts with affordabilty.
If you'd like me to be more specific, I'll play.

Coming from an ex 330 owner(which I fkin loved and miss), an avid BMW & BMW M enthusiast since before I could talk - but more so.. an Automotive enthusiast who at least tries to see things as they are.

Geez! what a mouthful, I'll end off with a sweet HPF vid for anyone who's interested in a destroyed, souless, utter waste of money M car:joy:

 

[moranor@axis]

DiVinci do you really think im going to go re-find all the sources just to prove to you that im not just getting the out my ass? if you go look you will find it (BTW there is a point to using an M for a supercharger because of the extra displacement and you do realise that the SC is very low boost compared to turbo?)... for someone who is all about sources i dont see any in your post...

i really could not care less if you believe me or not... you can go put an electric motor in your M if you think that will make it better...

to me its better to mangle the less compete cars because there are alot of people would really love to have an M as is...

but really who gives a F@k what i think as far as im concerned this thread is over...

 

[///Marksman]

Don't find ALL... find 2 please, maybe 3?

Don't blow smoke out your ass.. strengthen your argument bru. You got called out on spewing BS (or facts that only you know of) and now you're angry.. you have no reason to be, or to "prove" anything.

What sources would you like from me?
Ok sure the Numerous (read: shitloads) of F/I M cars i referred to are mostly SC's.. fair enough, but there are many stage 1, 2 and 2.5 HPF cars around that did not need to uprate everything on their cars.

Your "mangle" is another persons "optimise"
There are a lot of M's out there man, and, you are now admitting that a non M is infact a less complete car now? but you have to uprate everything on an M anyways??? makes perfect sense

Anyways you said you were done with this.. as you were.
Pity,as I'd have liked to have being educated on a T vs S/charger.. That would make for an interesting discussion.

"there is a point to using an M for a supercharger because of the extra displacement "

Random thought - an S54 has about 247cc more than its strongest e46 sibling, so I'd also be keen to know why these extra cc's see the s54 as a worthy candidate for a SC.
A 330 with tse3 ESS SC conv(built internals) could hardly hold a candle to their own, or AA's first bolt-on SC'd s54, MANY years ago.. hell, it has its work cut out against a stock M at anything under triple digits.. that 247cc is PUMPIN!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mwIAcnf9-w

In closing,I know of a 325is evo that that tjooned lightpoles on a 997 gt3.. but who cares
ahh happy days:thumbs:

 

[calypso]

DiVinci do you really think im going to go re-find all the sources just to prove to you that im not just getting the out my ass? if you go look you will find it (BTW there is a point to using an M for a supercharger because of the extra displacement and you do realise that the SC is very low boost compared to turbo?)... for someone who is all about sources i dont see any in your post...

i really could not care less if you believe me or not... you can go put an electric motor in your M if you think that will make it better...

to me its better to mangle the less compete cars because there are alot of people would really love to have an M as is...

but really who gives a F@k what i think as far as im concerned this thread is over...

Start using evernote, or organises your life like you cant believe. Great for internet ninja I told you so's.

 

[///Marksman]

Start using evernote, or organises your life like you cant believe. Great for internet ninja I told you so's.

It would have been empty like you can't believe:bravo: