gumtree m3 fail

[Andy1GP]

Hi BillyBob,

When I first saw the post I thought it wasn't bad at all, open honest and very detailed in the add.

And anyway your majority market isn't on the forum anyway so it doesn't matter what is or isn't said regarding your M.

I'm going to also lean toward keeping the car as only you will truly appreciate the 'value' of the car. Not to mention the satisfaction of keeping an ICON alive and in a condition that many will lust after :idea:

Very nice car collection btw :thumbs: Love that Civic...

 

[UpNcOmiNg!]

Ok OK!
I will resolve this. I will hang onto your M and make sure that nothing terrible happens to it, I'll wash it and maybe even fix the interior. You just sort your house out and make the lady happy. Kapish?! :biglol: No but seriously.....:rollsmile:

 

[Philip Foglar]

Hey BillyBob,

Nobody can make up your mind but you - that being said, if the car is mechanically not too bad, then it does make sense to keep it. Clearly its had a hard life before you got her, but nothing that determined TLC can't sort out - Rick's M5 is a perfect example!

I reckon you know how to take things with a pinch of salt - other car forums experience...

I admire you and Rick for having the guts to buy an older IIIM in the knowledge that it's going to need tons of work, that's some serious bravery, but I reckon it's always possible to restore these machines to perfect or near perfect condition with lots of patience and determination. Plus, still cheaper than some stupid econo-rat-box... :thumbs:

 

[moranor@axis]

"econo-rat-box" i like that :rollsmile:

 

[Technician]

I have been advised by other Fanatics to share my info.

i don't mean any disrespect towards the seller, i doubt he is aware of the history of this vehicle, and he cant be blamed for not knowing the history.

i knew 2 of the previous owners very well. this car was a real gem and i suspect the mileage is 100% correct, it was very low.

the interior was exceptional, which makes me believe it has either been swapped out or exposed to the elements.

this car was in a bad accident and hence sold...

so depending on the repairs, it could be a really good buy as it was very well looked after and often spent time at Tunetech for services and maintenance.

just needed to share my thoughts- help fellow fanatics out:thumbs:


@ Billybob- no disrespect man.
perhaps you can adjust your price accordingly, as i feel it is still worth it for a buyer.
how long have you had the car for?
does it still have the single tail pipe at the back? that was the last i saw it after the repairs?

 

[Yuvan]

I have been advised by other Fanatics to share my info.

i don't mean any disrespect towards the seller, i doubt he is aware of the history of this vehicle, and he cant be blamed for not knowing the history.

i knew 2 of the previous owners very well. this car was a real gem and i suspect the mileage is 100% correct, it was very low.

the interior was exceptional, which makes me believe it has either been swapped out or exposed to the elements.

this car was in quite a bad accident and hence sold...

so depending on the repairs, it could be a really good buy as it was very well looked after and often spent time at Tunetech for services and maintenance.

just needed to share my thoughts- help fellow fanatics out:thumbs:


@ Billybob- no disrespect man.
perhaps you can adjust your price accordingly, as i feel it is still worth it for a buyer.
how long have you had the car for?
does it still have the single tail pipe at the back? that was the last i saw it after the repairs?

:thumbs:

 

[BillyBob]

Thanks a stack Techie - why didn't you tell me this before when I posted about it?

Yup, that'd be the same car then - single big tailpiece at the back (that needs to come off, dear gawd, it's terrible)

I've had it for a month.

Okay, so now I know the history of the car - unfortunately, if you say it was a major accident, I grow somewhat wary of the idea - but the interior being swopped out would make sense in the overall scheme of things... recommendations on where to peg the price then?

R75k?

Oh, and please send me your number or give me a call? 084 810 9298 - would like to get some more info from you on the car and possibly get in touch with the previous owners.

 

[Technician]

Thanks a stack Techie - why didn't you tell me this before when I posted about it?

sorry- i wish i could of helped, a friend of mine was also interested in the sale that's how i recognised it.
i was away from my PC for a good stretch....

the accident happened 2006 if i recall.
it was hit from behind and then from the side- so i would think upfront should still be good.

so mechanically it should still be decent.

 

[rhett325]

This car was in a bad accident and hence sold..

That made my stomach turn! Horrible thing to find out after buying a car, has happened to me before.

As I said in my first post on this thread, if the car is still a code 2, the price is right imho.

Sad to say but bad comments do really turn buyers off cars, I was VERY keen on the purple 4 door M3 posted for sale on the forum a while ago by NH.

As people who know me in real life know I am NOT a tyre kicker, if I want something i look, i decide and generally I buy.

Comments on this forum about the car turned me off the sale and I ended up buying the 325is in the showroom. I walked away from that Violet M3 purely because forum members brought doubt into my mind.

Its a double edged sword, a fellow fanatic may spot something that could save a buyer and they may also be mistaken and cost the seller a genuine buyer such as what happened with me and the violet M.

Either way i like this cabbie billybob, price is right, colour combo as well is decent. if its code 2 it will sell.

 

[BillyBob]

Yours wasn't the only stomach turning at the mention of that Rhett.

 

[Philip Foglar]

Not nice to hear that it's been in an accident before - but if the repairs were decently performed and there was no real major structural damage it's fine then. The deterioration of the interior is still a bit of a puzzle though if it was so well kept.

At present, how does the car drive, what are the major problems, so to speak?

 

[Theo333]

Tough news to hear...the picture on the Gum doesnt give any indication to that effect...
Like Philip said,..must have been a very good repair job then,, if so...m2cw...

 

[rick540]

One of the nicer cars I owned an E30 325i shadowline I bought and discovered 6 months later had been in a rear end of significant note and the whole fscking world knew about it except me was still one of my favourites. the car had been repaired well (Actually cut the whole back off) and drove just fine, I had to do a litle bit of sealing where they repaired but once that was done nobody would ever tell the diference. I kept it for three years and still sold it at a profit, loved that car.

The Jigs and repair equipment available to panel shops these days is far superior to what we had in the past, so "been in an accident" is not nearly as bad as it used to be.

Having said that anyway, bawb, you saw it you liked it, you spent money on it, if it feels good then it is good, keep it and let it give you the enjoyment you deserve from it, fsck it's history it's still a bloody nice car.

If you still want to sell, take it past LZ (DentDoctor) let him inspect it, if it gets a good bill of health, then put the fscking price back up to 85K and add 2 k for your effort........

I also know of some awesome cars that belong to members on this forum that have pandoras frikking box hidden behind the panels, hidden secrets that would scare any buyer away, but I choose to keep my mouth shut about it in public, because it's none of my business, and guys have made a significant investment in their cars and I am not personally going to go and advertize every fault I know of in something that's not even mine. if you are an ex owner, only then can you maybe say something, if you never owned it, then you probably never got the full story either so rather keep it zipped.

Guys pleeeez can we stop finding fault with every car that goes up for sale here and then the next thing it's all blown out of proportion. it's not moral correctness it's just plain sabotage, rather leave it to "Caveat Emptor" the way it's supposed to work.

 

[Technician]

The deterioration of the interior is still a bit of a puzzle though if it was so well kept.

the interior was exceptional, which makes me believe it has either been swapped out or exposed to the elements.

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you will not believe me how good this interior was, im speaking just a couple years ago, probably around 2005-2006.

not one crease and got treated and cleaned almost weekly.

 

[Philip Foglar]

Sad when all that care and effort is undone so quickly. :nonono:

 

[///MNM]

I too was faced with a similar situation when I bought my E34 M5. The seller "neglected" to mention that it was a code 3, there was no indication mechanically or cosmetically that the car was in an accident, in fact the mileage definitely matched the condition of the car inside and out. I only found out after I bought the car that it was a code 3 (the excitement of owning my first ///M car got the better of me) .

I was very disappointed but saw potential and after spending some money over a period of time, it turned out to be a very fine example. Lost a $H1tload of money when I sold it due to the code 3 status, however a few coastal holidays with the wife and kids as well as a few breakfast runs with some friends totally made up for that loss.

So BillyBob, my advice would be to keep it parked in a garage and one day you will get to restore her to her former glory. I still regret selling my E34 up until this day even though I've replaced it with something much better.

Guys, in general if you do know the history or the car which a fellow member might be interested in buying....please make him/her aware of what might be wrong with the car? You'd probably save him from spending his lifetime savings on a piece of crap?

Like any other forum you'd find guys that will help (which there are plenty of on this forum) and unfortunately those that like to stir. People are entitled to an opinion and that's just what it is.....an opinion.

my 2c worth...big thumbs up to Rick540 for his honest opinion as well as advice given on this thread, as well as other members positive comments.

 

[Philip Foglar]

Thing is, cars are very easily "written-off" simply because they're usually not financially viable to repair. So structurally and mechanically they are pretty much okay, but costly body panels and other bits push up the repair costs, especially I would think on an older IIIM! Even things like airbags - often enough to make for a write-off situation!

 

[///MNM]

Thing is, cars are very easily "written-off" simply because they're usually not financially viable to repair. So structurally and mechanically they are pretty much okay, but costly body panels and other bits push up the repair costs, especially I would think on an older IIIM! Even things like airbags - often enough to make for a write-off situation!

I agree 100% Philip, accidents are accidents. What irks me, is the fact that some idiot would go to great lengths to hide these defects intentionally, only to relieve someone of their hard-earned cash....a reality unfortunately and nothing anybody can do to change that.

 

[Philip Foglar]

Thing is, cars are very easily "written-off" simply because they're usually not financially viable to repair. So structurally and mechanically they are pretty much okay, but costly body panels and other bits push up the repair costs, especially I would think on an older IIIM! Even things like airbags - often enough to make for a write-off situation!

I agree 100% Philip, accidents are accidents. What irks me, is the fact that some idiot would go to great lengths to hide these defects intentionally, only to relieve someone of their hard-earned cash....a reality unfortunately and nothing anybody can do to change that.

+1!! :thumbs:

 

[Theo333]

One of the nicer cars I owned an E30 325i shadowline I bought and discovered 6 months later had been in a rear end of significant note and the whole fscking world knew about it except me was still one of my favourites. the car had been repaired well (Actually cut the whole back off) and drove just fine, I had to do a litle bit of sealing where they repaired but once that was done nobody would ever tell the diference. I kept it for three years and still sold it at a profit, loved that car.

The Jigs and repair equipment available to panel shops these days is far superior to what we had in the past, so "been in an accident" is not nearly as bad as it used to be.

Having said that anyway, bawb, you saw it you liked it, you spent money on it, if it feels good then it is good, keep it and let it give you the enjoyment you deserve from it, fsck it's history it's still a bloody nice car.

If you still want to sell, take it past LZ (DentDoctor) let him inspect it, if it gets a good bill of health, then put the fscking price back up to 85K and add 2 k for your effort........

I also know of some awesome cars that belong to members on this forum that have pandoras frikking box hidden behind the panels, hidden secrets that would scare any buyer away, but I choose to keep my mouth shut about it in public, because it's none of my business, and guys have made a significant investment in their cars and I am not personally going to go and advertize every fault I know of in something that's not even mine. if you are an ex owner, only then can you maybe say something, if you never owned it, then you probably never got the full story either so rather keep it zipped.

Guys pleeeez can we stop finding fault with every car that goes up for sale here and then the next thing it's all blown out of proportion. it's not moral correctness it's just plain sabotage, rather leave it to "Caveat Emptor" the way it's supposed to work.

Totally agree Rick

After all, who would wish this on any other BMWFanatic...:fencelook:

Surely cant be a pleasant experience for Bawb ,,

Some of the comments here appear to have the same flavour as those on Rick's thread....
Whats up with that BMWFanatics...:=):