G20 330i vs F30 330d

[FerdiBotha]

I suspect the guy driving the 330d was either a moron or didn't realize he was in a race. I don't see how a car with a lower 0-100, more power and A LOT more torque will lose "fairly comfortably every time except for one of the rolling runs" to a 328i (assuming are both stock). Are you sure you weren't running against a 320d? I've also never seen a website quoting more than 5.6 0-100 for the 330d and reallife between 5.5 and 5.7.

Maybe arrange a similar race then you'll see all these things you're currently not seeing.

It's the word of a person with real world experience vs your quoted figures.

To answer the OP - as much as I dislike saying it (being a diesel fan) the 330i will be quicker..

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[SubLoaded]

For what it's worth, I've driven the F30 328i and the G30 330i and they've felt faster than any 330d I've been in, including tuned ones.

Perhaps it had to do with the "thrill" and revvy nature that you get from a petrol vs a diesel.

If reliability wasn't a concern, given that I am a second hand car buyer, I'd go with the petrol variants with my eyes closed (even IF they were slower).

 

[Salt]

As in the heading what will the real world outcome be when put head to head?

The 330i would beat the F30 330d without a problem. I had a few runs with my father's F30 328i and another forum member's F30 330d and the 328i won fairly comfortably every time except for one of the rolling runs. 

The 330i on the other hand pulls a lot better than the 328i ,so I have absolutely zero doubt that the G20 would trump it.

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The attached snippets show the tested resuts done by Mark Jones. The 330i is quite a but faster everywhere

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Apologies I didn't see the bit where you mentioned it was 'tested results' and does give a good indication you are right. However I still feel the 0-100 time is negligible in the sense that if two people in real life had to stop next to each other at a light, and they went of for it, it can go either way based on reaction time and skill. I'm more applying a possible result of a real life scenario if that makes sense. And I do think either way for 0 to 100 at least. After that the figures start going more and more one way traffic 330i

@"TurboLlew" I take note of your pic but I've watched plenty drag races on carwowcar etc. where a race ends just like in your pic and on a second attempt with a better launch it goes the other way again the other on a third. 

I'm just thinking of real life scenarios. Not trying to prove anyone wrong. But that is my point of view on a question that was asked. And yes, the G20's look like a spaceship inside...very cool and techie.

 

[lebofa]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

 

[TurboLlew]

Carwow is very staged @"Salt". They create artificial drama in the newer videos especially just like every other channel. The point is when comparing Mark Jones' results, that question around reaction time, location and driver consistency is largely removed. Also the gap for the cars under that testing is more like 0.2s - the gap in the pic is actually 0.1s

 

[Salt]

Carwow is very staged @"Salt". They create artificial drama in the newer videos especially just like every other channel. The point is when comparing Mark Jones' results, that question around reaction time, location and driver consistency is largely removed. Also the gap for the cars under that testing is more like 0.2s - the gap in the pic is actually 0.1s

Totally get what you are saying regarding Mark Jones' tests - were just not thinking the same thing  I do thoroughly enjoy carwowcar though. 

I must say though, I think people buy a diesel for different reasons to people buying a petrol - and sometimes its trail and error. They really different animals aren't they? Both can be fast or not, the one sounds awesome and the other not so much, the one gives great fuel economy and the other not so much. I think its still an interesting comparison regardless and will be fun to see a race even if the 330i should win.

 

[yush1]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

Actually the G20 330d is not really any quicker than the E90 330d or the F30 330d. The 330i also has a weight advantage, so definitely the 330i will be quicker in stock form.

 

[FerdiBotha]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

G20 330d and F30 330d will be very similar.

F30 is 320d then massive jump to 330d, then small jump to 328i and 330i. Naturally 335i and then 340i will be fastest.

It is interesting to see how technology sometimes makes newers cars much quicker and other times not so much, as was the case between E90 LCI 330d and F30 330d where the performance gap is marginal.

At the end of the day the newer car will be a better bet due to better creature comfort, more modern looks etc.

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[Salt]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

G20 330d and F30 330d will be very similar.

F30 is 320d then massive jump to 330d, then small jump to 328i and 330i. Naturally 335i and then 340i will be fastest.

It is interesting to see how technology sometimes makes newers cars much quicker and other times not so much, as was the case between E90 LCI 330d and F30 330d where the performance gap is marginal.

At the end of the day the newer car will be a better bet due to better creature comfort, more modern looks etc.

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The interior especially is where the biggest gap is I agree - the new ones really do look jaw dropping inside wow! I agree with you on that

 

[Riaad]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

Actually the G20 330d is not really any quicker than the E90 330d or the F30 330d. The 330i also has a weight advantage, so definitely the 330i will be quicker in stock form.

Interestingly, there isnt much info regarding the "mild-hybrid" systems in the new diesels, do the SA models have them yet ? would be interesting to see how the overboost function relates to real world performance in these models.


https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/09/18/most-diesel-powered-bmw-models-to-get-48v-electrical-systems-in-2020/

 

[AshG108]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

Actually the G20 330d is not really any quicker than the E90 330d or the F30 330d. The 330i also has a weight advantage, so definitely the 330i will be quicker in stock form.

I can tell you from my experience with a Gseries 330d, it is not as fast as an F30 330d and maybe on par with E90 330 but those were pretty nippy as stock too. 
I ran the F30 with my car just having a downpipe only and then ran the G-series 330d also and the g-series was slower than the F-series...it really felt like that body was holding it back and that was with both cars going at it on an open road.

The stock F30 was at least putting up a fight early in the rev range and also mid range too but the G-series...was just very surprising

 

[individj]

do any of these new cars have limited rev limit till a certain mileage?

 

[tman]

Strange comparison, why not compare F30 330d with F30 328i or F30 330i ? or compare G20 330i with G20 330d? I have raced agains many F30 330d and never lost. Maybe G20 330d is faster

Actually the G20 330d is not really any quicker than the E90 330d or the F30 330d. The 330i also has a weight advantage, so definitely the 330i will be quicker in stock form.

I can tell you from my experience with a Gseries 330d, it is not as fast as an F30 330d and maybe on par with E90 330 but those were pretty nippy as stock too. 
I ran the F30 with my car just having a downpipe only and then ran the G-series 330d also and the g-series was slower than the F-series...it really felt like that body was holding it back and that was with both cars going at it on an open road.

The stock F30 was at least putting up a fight early in the rev range and also mid range too but the G-series...was just very surprising

Quite tragic for G20 if true

 

[FerdiBotha]

Interesting to see the Truespeed tested performance figures for E90 LCI, F30 and G20 330d..

Naturally conditions on the day would have been different, but the difference 11 years down the line is still rather small.

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[3 serious]

This is my first time posting pics, so I hope they are correctly uploaded. I usually use zeperfs when comparing cars' performances. Zeperfs collates data from differentrent car magazines and then post the 'verified average performances'. I believe this is more statistically rigorous than a few races we do with friends etc. It seems like the f30 330d is significantly faster than an f30 328i. Also, the f30 330d seems to be just a bit faster than a g20 330i.
My two cents gents.

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This is my first time posting pics, so I hope they are correctly uploaded. I usually use zeperfs when comparing cars' performances. Zeperfs collates data from differentrent car magazines and then post the 'verified average performances'. I believe this is more statistically rigorous than a few races we do with friends etc. It seems like the f30 330d is significantly faster than an f30 328i. Also, the f30 330d seems to be just a bit faster than a g20 330i.
My two cents gents. 
On the left side of both images it's the f30 330d.

 

[yush1]

Interesting to see the Truespeed tested performance figures for E90 LCI, F30 and G20 330d..

Naturally conditions on the day would have been different, but the difference 11 years down the line is still rather small.

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Seems like the E90 LCI is the best buy than.  :smilebounce:

 

[MR_Y]

Was 50ppm or 10ppm diesel used in the performance testing?
Could it be argued that the G20 is optimised for 10ppm?

 

[TurboLlew]

You can use an aggregator site, but think about what it is aggregating:

Publications test at

different altitudes
different fuels (and tunes of the car for such fuels eg: Audi S3 in SA or Subaru STI)
different temperatures
different versions of the same car (EU4/5/6 emissions, hot climate etc)
different drivers & testing approaches

They are given press tweaked cars in many cases (though probably not for these kinds of cars granted)

There is also the volume of data points for each car (you might have 100 for an M3 or 911 Turbo S hypothetically with actual testing vs. half for another type of car). There is also media bias in these tests where some (admittedly) will try HARD to get a good set of numbers out of one car and will barely bother with another. There is also the advertising politics at play... let's not start with that can of worms.

Also some just regurgitate the press release numbers and will also be captured.

So sure, use it as a guideline or starting point, but that doesn't solve the problem and anyway that isn't how statistics work. A huge amount of aggregated but disparate information doesn't automatically make it valuable statistically.

 

[FerdiBotha]

You can use an aggregator site, but think about what it is aggregating:

Publications test at

different altitudes
different fuels (and tunes of the car for such fuels eg: Audi S3 in SA or Subaru STI)
different temperatures
different versions of the same car (EU4/5/6 emissions, hot climate etc)
different drivers & testing approaches

They are given press tweaked cars in many cases (though probably not for these kinds of cars granted)

There is also the volume of data points for each car (you might have 100 for an M3 or 911 Turbo S hypothetically with actual testing vs. half for another type of car). There is also media bias in these tests where some (admittedly) will try HARD to get a good set of numbers out of one car and will barely bother with another. There is also the advertising politics at play... let's not start with that can of worms.

Also some just regurgitate the press release numbers and will also be captured.

So sure, use it as a guideline or starting point, but that doesn't solve the problem and anyway that isn't how statistics work. A huge amount of aggregated but disparate information doesn't automatically make it valuable statistically.

This is why I value Mark Jones' test results for Truespeed as all are done at Gerotek with very strict test criteria.

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[FiRi@Rennzport]

G20 any day of the week.

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